S24 - Episode 10 - Solving Riddles in MESS Hall Tribal Council Forum

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S24 - Episode 10 - Solving Riddles

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crocophile		#41	[-]
Posts: 14098 04/14/12 04:16 PM MESS with me, I'll MESS with you More Recent Posts	They already know what the Idols looks like. He may as well stick a rock in his pocket.
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Boston Rob Mariano		#42	[-]
Posts: 1121 04/14/12 05:00 PM More Recent Posts	Oh yeah, duh, I forgot. But he'll probably, if he loses IC, do a confident walk around camp with a rock. If Kim believes it, that would really, really take a hit on her winner's edit. If she outsmarts him and realizes he's lying, she'll pretty much definitely be winning. But sorry, I'm getting a little bit into spec territory.
nadremllov		#43	[-]
Posts: 371 04/14/12 05:05 PM More Recent Posts	overkill with Troy? more like overkill with Kim..the audience prefers an underdog story compared to someone in control of their alliance that is full of a bunch of idiots who don't know who to blindside without getting guidance.....She isn't going anywhere, therefore its overkill with her....
nadremllov		#44	[-]
Posts: 371 04/14/12 05:07 PM More Recent Posts	I think he wins immunity AND goes and looks for the idol.....And he might even fake one just for later as well..thats where that "they think they have me outsmarted, but they dont'" line comes into play....Expect him around awhile.....True underdog story. And the women have yet to win immunity unless they negotiate for it.....if Leif doesn't fall for it, another guy wins immunity...these women might be strong mentally but physically they're not proving much ever since the merge.
birdlady		#45	[-]
Posts: 5320 04/14/12 05:18 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	If only Kim and Chelsea know about Kim's idol, that leaves a lot of people potentially Troy could fake out.
nadremllov		#46	[-]
Posts: 371 04/14/12 05:24 PM More Recent Posts	good point.....they will probably see him walking around looking for it and assume he finds it..therefore if he fakes it, then either A) Kim is outted and at tribal council comes clean and it destroys her alliance with distrust or B)Troyzan's fake out works and one of the women are blindsided.
erickman		#47	[-]
Posts: 25705 04/14/12 05:25 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	birdlady wrote: If only Kim and Chelsea know about Kim's idol, that leaves a lot of people potentially Troy could fake out. yeah and troy did not show anyone else his last one, an kim and chelsea would be smart not show theres or the other women would get pissed at them, unless they pull the god trick like roach did.
hrhm		#48	[-]
Posts: 2338 04/14/12 06:53 PM More Recent Posts	Or it would simply go: Troy fakes an idol assuming he loses immunity Alicia/Kat/Sabrina: Hey KimSea I think Troy has an idol. KimSea: Nah he's probably faking it, don't worry about it. A/K/S: Are you sure? What if he has one and he plays it? KimSea: I'm pretty sure he's faking it. A/K/S: Alright well if you insist... Troy gets voted off unanimously OR: KimSea: I'm pretty sure he's faking it. But if it makes you feel better we can split the votes again. A/K/S: Yeah let's do that. Troy gets voted off in a 6-2-1 vote with the 2 votes being for Tarzan/Leif Faking an idol will not do a thing for Troy. Not with everyone against him. And him faking an idol won't lead to Kim's idol being outed unless she's a complete idiot who suddenly regresses to having the intelligence of a three-year-old and forgets how to play the game or effectively use the English language. There is absolutely zero reason for any of the non-KimSea girls to believe that just because Kim thinks Troy's hypothetical idol is fake she must have one of her own, so I have no idea where the idea of Kim's idol being outed at TC comes from. There's no logic in that at all.
nadremllov		#49	[-]
Posts: 371 04/14/12 07:00 PM More Recent Posts	Because Troyzan could go on a rant at tribal council, talk about how much of a liar Kim is and that she is in charge of everyone's minds and how dangerous she is and not to be trusted, all of that. Then with all of the tension, Kim will feel vulnerable...that is her being outted for being in charge.....No one thinks she's in charge because she even said she's low key but that the jury will know she's making the decisions, but the people still in the game think that everyone is equal and that they're all on the same level. So she's running things in a very low key manner....Troy already knows she's dangerous, so he can force a confrontation with him and Kim to make Kim look bad..
nadremllov		#50	[-]
Posts: 371 04/14/12 07:01 PM More Recent Posts	Thus the next tribal council she would have to play her idol because people would be onto her....then after playing it, they'll distrust her even more...So Troyzan outted her for being dangerous changing her game plan.
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hrhm		#51	[-]
Posts: 2338 04/14/12 07:13 PM More Recent Posts	But when people are on the chopping block they'll say anything, and with everyone already against Troy his claims would be easy to refute. All Kim would have to do is vote him off anyway as planned via one of the scenarios I mentioned above (because no outburst at TC, no matter how emotional or true, has ever saved a contestant and caused people to change their votes to someone else; it just makes things worse and would seal Troy's fate), then go back to camp with her girls who have been loyal to her against Day 1 and say "You know he was just trying to save himself and get us to turn against each other, right? We're all equals here for sure! ^_^" and they will eat it right up like they have everything else she's told them thus far. Coach said it all to Brandon on SP when Stacey was trying to stir things up: When someone not in your alliance is on the chopping block, they will say anything to you to try to save themselves and to try to get you to turn on your alliance, so you absolutely cannot let them get into your head. Kim can use this very same argument with the girls.
crocophile		#52	[-]
Posts: 14098 04/14/12 07:26 PM MESS with me, I'll MESS with you More Recent Posts	All of this is assuming they don't re-hide the Idol, don't assume that. The Producers will do what they want. They are motivated to keep it interesting. Should he find another Hidden Idol his best move is to win ICs and keep it to himself until he either needs it (and can target who he wants) or can find the eventual cracks in the alliance
nadremllov		#53	[-]
Posts: 371 04/14/12 07:46 PM More Recent Posts	he can still turn to Kim and say, "did you not promise me, Jay, Chelsea final four?" and then he could keep harping on it until she's flabbergasted....And all everyone has to do is look over at the jury because Jay will be there....and his reaction will say everything...I think he's one of those guys where even if he knows he's going home he wants to plant a seed to everyone for the rest of the game, it will be up to them to see what they'll do with that information...Troy is not one to give up without stirring the pot.
Outfrontgirl		#54	[-]
Posts: 1371 04/14/12 08:31 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	He doesn't need to wait for TC to make a scene about the hidden F4 alliance. That alliance had no impact on the game other than making Jay overly trusting. It didn't need to be shown as is not good for the story to make a big deal about an alliance and then have it destruct almost immediately, unless the destruction has an impact. The teaser tells us that Troy will force a confrontation. He has nothing at all to lose by outing the Kim-Chelsea-Jay-Troyzan pact. Nothing. He is like Ozzy at this point. They all want him gone. Ozzy tried to use some bad lies that fell flat, but Troyzan has the conviction of truth. If I were Troy I would talk straight to their faces and task them for betraying Jay, outting the F4 deal, hoping to break the trust of the other women towards Kim and Chelsea. Repeating it at TC when Jay is there, good idea, but why wait?
shoeless rye		#55	[-]
Posts: 6458 04/14/12 08:39 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	erickman wrote: birdlady wrote: If only Kim and Chelsea know about Kim's idol, that leaves a lot of people potentially Troy could fake out. yeah and troy did not show anyone else his last one, an kim and chelsea would be smart not show theres or the other women would get pissed at them, unless they pull the god trick like roach did. I could be mistaken, but I remember him showing Christina something in his pocket - when he was trying to wrangle votes.
crocophile		#56	[-]
Posts: 14098 04/14/12 08:43 PM MESS with me, I'll MESS with you More Recent Posts	Great post OFG
shoeless rye		#57	[-]
Posts: 6458 04/14/12 08:52 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	Outfrontgirl wrote: He doesn't need to wait for TC to make a scene about the hidden F4 alliance. That alliance had no impact on the game other than making Jay overly trusting. It didn't need to be shown as is not good for the story to make a big deal about an alliance and then have it destruct almost immediately, unless the destruction has an impact. The teaser tells us that Troy will force a confrontation. He has nothing at all to lose by outing the Kim-Chelsea-Jay-Troyzan pact. Nothing. He is like Ozzy at this point. They all want him gone. Ozzy tried to use some bad lies that fell flat, but Troyzan has the conviction of truth. If I were Troy I would talk straight to their faces and task them for betraying Jay, outting the F4 deal, hoping to break the trust of the other women towards Kim and Chelsea. Repeating it at TC when Jay is there, good idea, but why wait? We've also been shown that Chelsea is a bad liar and has some scruples about playing the deception game. We were shown Chelsea pushing for the Mike boot when Alicia and Christina were sitting with them (and supposedly outside the alliance). Because Kim could easily brush off any challenge from Troy by saying, we lied to you because we might have been down 7-5 at the merge if Nu-Manano lost the next challenge rather than Colton being medivac'd. I guess it would all depend on if they told Sabrina and Kat about this sub alliance when they made it - or kept it to themselves to play both sides. If Kat or Sabrina went to Chelsea and asked her about their sub alliance with Troy and Jay and why if it was just to use the boys than why weren't they told about it - what would Chelsea say?
survivorgirl22		#58	[-]
Posts: 8177 04/14/12 08:54 PM More Recent Posts	true but in Jay's interviews he also considered Sabrina part of his long-term alliance plans just not f3.
nadremllov		#59	[-]
Posts: 371 04/14/12 09:11 PM More Recent Posts	Troy will cause a lot of panic and drama..it will be very fun to watch.....What I can't wrap my brain around is they portray Kim to be totally in control......As if no danger at all, she has a perfect edit and has a little doubt but not much, but why show her finding an idol? Her only doubt is Troy, and he doesn't have the numbers, and the women don't seem to want to turn on her even if there was a confrontation....so i wonder why they showed her finding it....
birdlady		#60	[-]
Posts: 5320 04/14/12 09:13 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	I could be mistaken, but I remember him showing Christina something in his pocket - when he was trying to wrangle votes. And then she voted for Kim? Who was that?
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