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Rooster		#181	[-]
Posts: 49 02/28/12 08:12 PM Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Maybe the Mole knew contestants would vote red for the best outcome. What she had to do was to keep more people voting for green.
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Jazzzed		#182	[-]
Posts: 351 02/29/12 09:40 AM Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Extra footage (unaired) of episode 8 (discussion after challenges/ pre- and after elimination): Ok for some reason I can't post these you tube links??? Have a look @ my youtube profile for them, sorry! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsVZ_hfNocY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4na0d-byzOI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyjMGwaUYB8 Last Edited By: Jazzzed 02/29/12 06:50 PM. Edited 2 times.
hrhm		#183	[-]
Posts: 2338 02/29/12 03:45 PM Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Rooster wrote: Maybe the Mole knew contestants would vote red for the best outcome. What she had to do was to keep more people voting for green. That's what I think is exactly what happened. If Liesbeth is the Mole, she'd know about the challenge ahead of time, and who was going to talk to whom and when, and most likely that everyone's initial instinct would be for everyone to vote green, so she basically would've already known how to get the vote exactly the way she wanted. What's so suspicious about her in that challenge to me is that if I were the mole, I literally can't think of a better way to get a green majority than doing exactly when Liesbeth did. She basically set it up perfectly to be sabotaged in the manner it ended up being sabotaged. And unless Tim was the person who voted green -and I don't see why he would've since he obviously wasn't the mole and he would know after his conversation with Frits that Frits was set on voting red- then it was Liesbeth who changed her vote. Hadewych as the mole could've stood by and happily voted green with the expectation that everyone else would screw up and at least one person would end up voting red, but in a situation where the mole has the opportunity to take all the money from the pot, I have a hard time believing she'd be that passive. Plus, if Hadewych is the mole, why didn't Liesbeth, Tim, and Frits, as contestants, all stick with their agreement to vote red? Why would one of them flip, knowing what they knew? No contestant would imo. Ugh idk, I keep going back and forth between Hadewych and Liesbeth, but this challenge makes me think the mole is Liesbeth. I know the finale's coming up so now that Tim's gone and therefore there's pretty much no way he was the one to flip to green in that challenge, Liesbeth's my final pick as the mole.
Jazzzed		#184	[-]
Posts: 351 03/02/12 02:00 AM Reply Quote More Recent Posts	MrEspionage wrote: If Hadewych is not the mole I will not be satisfied and completely underwhelmed. I dont think her suspicions have been revealed because she is the mole. No offense.. I don't know who the Mole is yet anymore than you do. But I really think you are setting yourself up for disappointment the way you are saying this. Perhaps you are right. But I think the fact that someone isn't suspected in the least during the series is probably an indication that person isn't the Mole rather than they are. Even the best Moles usually have some suspicion on them (as I think they should in fact, after all they are actually sabotaging..), just before the beginning and at least 2 people were onto them near the Finals. This isn't uncommon. Even Kathryn Price with whom some seem to compare Hadewych had 3 people who were onto her in the finals. I don't mean to start a dispute here because everyone is free to think what they will obviously. :-) Just this: It has to be that or I will be disappointed, before you've even seen the final reveal or the Mole's actions and what to think of it I think, well, just is setting the bar very high an I think disappointment is more likely to happen than not (2/3 chance in fact ;-)) Maybe you're right, but don't forget this is just a tv-show and they do everything to keep us guessing as long as they can about the remaining contestants. Nothing is what it seems is the motto, but sometimes, yeah, it is exactly what it seems. ;-) Last Edited By: Jazzzed 03/02/12 04:29 AM. Edited 3 times.
SilvahYoshum		#185	[-]
Posts: 3218 03/02/12 02:25 AM Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Sometimes I wonder if getting suspected makes a better mole than never getting suspected. Like you said, if you're the mole and never get suspected because you never really sabotage, I don't think you're a good mole. If Hadewych is the mole (and she is my current prediction), I do think that she has sabotaged less than Liesbeth and [maybe] Anne-Marie. But I would have to wait until the reunion to see all of her sabotages together to really judge her. Whether she's the mole or not, I find it odd that she has gotten such little suspicion throughout the series given that she's in the final 3, and I can't think of any other finalist offhand who has not been a suspect at one point or another during their series. I would think that the editors would want to keep options open for the viewers. Then again, many viewers are suspecting Hadewych regardless of what the contestants think, so... I don't know where I'm going with this. I just think she's gotten a very odd edit for being a finalist. On the other side of the coin, I don't really think it's fair to rule out Liesbeth or Anne-Marie simply because a lot of people have been suspecting them, because between those two, Tim, and Frits, there have been a lot of different common suspects this season. I don't think anyone has been painted as "too obvious" and I'll personally be surprised at whatever the outcome is. Anyway, here are my pre-finale predictions. I think it'll be either Mole: Hadewych Winner: Liesbeth Loser: Anne-Marie or Mole: Liesbeth Winner: Anne-Marie Loser: Hadewych
Jazzzed		#186	[-]
Posts: 351 03/02/12 04:33 AM Reply Quote More Recent Posts	SilvahYoshum wrote: Whether she's the mole or not, I find it odd that she has gotten such little suspicion throughout the series given that she's in the final 3, and I can't think of any other finalist offhand who has not been a suspect at one point or another during their series. I would think that the editors would want to keep options open for the viewers. Then again, many viewers are suspecting Hadewych regardless of what the contestants think, so... I don't know where I'm going with this. I just think she's gotten a very odd edit for being a finalist. On the other side of the coin, I don't really think it's fair to rule out Liesbeth or Anne-Marie simply because a lot of people have been suspecting them, because between those two, Tim, and Frits, there have been a lot of different common suspects this season. I don't think anyone has been painted as "too obvious" and I'll personally be surprised at whatever the outcome is. I totally agree with you that Hadewych has been getting a strange edit. It seemed like she was suddenly so present once they got to Spain. My hunch is, Marit, the other person they wanted people to suspect, was soon gone so now they started highlighting Hadewych- there was enough there in previous episodes in subtle things that could be interpreted as sabotages for people to see her as a suspect in the end stage. But I totally agree: weird edit. Also agree with you on the amount suspects, obvious or not depending on view. But definitely this made the series more interesting and up till now it seriously could be any of those three I think. :-) My prediction: Mole: Anne-Marie Winner: Hadewych Loser: Liesbeth I can't wait to the final reveal!!! :-)
Annoying Tool Fanboy		#187	[-]
Posts: 2783 03/02/12 08:36 AM Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Is the final reveal this week or next?
Jazzzed		#188	[-]
Posts: 351 03/02/12 11:27 AM Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Annoying Tool Fanboy wrote: Is the final reveal this week or next? No this week is final 3 (i.e. the last challenge and the three people in the Finale). Next week will be the final reveal, indicating who the Mole is and her sabotages (with the reunion of the contestants discussing this too, etc). :-)
Annoying Tool Fanboy		#189	[-]
Posts: 2783 03/05/12 06:16 PM Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Can we learn anything from the preview for the finale? The final shot of them in the stadium after the reveal makes me think Hadewych won. But then again it's Liesbeth and Anne-Marie who are sitting on the end of the table, which makes me think one of them won and the other is the Mole. Anyway, I watched the first episode again, to see if I could find any clues or hints. One thing that caught my attention was at the very beginning, right after the mole goes to the plane to do her sabotage, you see various shots of the contestants arriving. First is Frits, followed by Hadewych, then Anne-Marie, and finally someone in slow motion whose face is never shown. Judging by the shoes and jeans it leads me to believe it's Liesbeth. I don't know if there is any significance to this, but since she's my number one suspect I'll say yes. Liesbeth is the mole, and Anne-Marie is the winner.
Jazzzed	The Mole Iceland & Spain - Episode 9	#190	[-]
Posts: 351 03/06/12 04:14 AM Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Episode 9:
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Jazzzed	The Mole Iceland & Spain - Episode 9	#191	[-]
Posts: 351 03/06/12 04:16 AM Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Episode 9 - Part 2:
Jazzzed	The Mole Iceland & Spain - Episode 9	#192	[-]
Posts: 351 03/06/12 04:18 AM Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Episode 9 - Part 3:
MrEspionage		#193	[-]
Posts: 44 03/06/12 05:00 PM Reply Quote More Recent Posts	lol blah, looks like it might end up being anne marie. i didnt enjoy this season as much as the last, it was ok though.
SilvahYoshum		#194	[-]
Posts: 3218 03/06/12 05:17 PM Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I'll be upset with Anne-Marie being the mole just because it means that everyone in the final six (Frits onward) knew it, and I think that would make her a poor mole. PLUS didn't she single-handedly win like 1500 euros in the Wild Wild West challenge? I'm sticking my fingers in my ears and will continue to tell myself that Hadewych is the mole and this will be the first time ever that the mole wins. :)
MrEspionage		#195	[-]
Posts: 44 03/07/12 05:21 AM Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I thought Hadewych from the beginning and I really want her to be the mole, but it seems like in dutch mole, the mole is pretty much known by the entire final 4 by the time it gets to that point. If Hadewych said she thought the mole was Liesbeth... I would know with 100 percent certainty the mole is H.
MrEspionage		#196	[-]
Posts: 44 03/07/12 05:25 AM Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I don't mean to start a dispute here because everyone is free to think what they will obviously. :-) Just this: It has to be that or I will be disappointed, before you've even seen the final reveal or the Mole's actions and what to think of it I think, well, just is setting the bar very high an I think disappointment is more likely to happen than not (2/3 chance in fact ;-)) Maybe you're right, but don't forget this is just a tv-show and they do everything to keep us guessing as long as they can about the remaining contestants. Nothing is what it seems is the motto, but sometimes, yeah, it is exactly what it seems. ;-) A definition of a good mole is one that sabotages and can do it without the entire cast thinking they are overwhelmingly the mole. I have watched every english speaking mole and all of the dutch ones that have been subtitled and It lessens the season for me when the mole fails to maintain a cover. I want to be surprised. Shocked. I thought H from the first episode and if shes not the mole I really wont feel anything but dissapointed with the mole's job. A mole that everyone suspected... Yawn.
Jazzzed		#197	[-]
Posts: 351 03/07/12 07:24 AM Reply Quote More Recent Posts	MrEspionage wrote: I don't mean to start a dispute here because everyone is free to think what they will obviously. :-) Just this: It has to be that or I will be disappointed, before you've even seen the final reveal or the Mole's actions and what to think of it I think, well, just is setting the bar very high an I think disappointment is more likely to happen than not (2/3 chance in fact ;-)) Maybe you're right, but don't forget this is just a tv-show and they do everything to keep us guessing as long as they can about the remaining contestants. Nothing is what it seems is the motto, but sometimes, yeah, it is exactly what it seems. ;-) A definition of a good mole is one that sabotages and can do it without the entire cast thinking they are overwhelmingly the mole. I have watched every english speaking mole and all of the dutch ones that have been subtitled and It lessens the season for me when the mole fails to maintain a cover. I want to be surprised. Shocked. I thought H from the first episode and if shes not the mole I really wont feel anything but dissapointed with the mole's job. A mole that everyone suspected... Yawn. I think we should wait for the final reveal before saying how disappointed we are or whatever. As said if you only want one specific outcome there is a good chance you will end up disappointed since there are after all 10 people in this at the start. The Mole should preferably maintain their cover as long as possible but should also sabotage, first and foremost. To me Hadewych met that last criterium significantly less than Anne-Marie throughout the whole series. As for detection, I think the edit has done a few things here, and also, group dynamics (this being a very open group) made it a lot harder for a Mole than usual. Everyone is free to think whatever they like, but nobody forces you to watch. ;-) So if you don't like it, don't watch. As for Moles always being suspected, this isn't true. We've had a few series where they weren't until the Finale either. Group dynamics are very different in each season though and I think this year the contestants played a very clever game. :-)
hrhm		#198	[-]
Posts: 2338 03/07/12 02:26 PM Reply Quote More Recent Posts	That preview made it look like Hadewych wins and therefore Anne-Marie is the Mole. I hope that isn't the case though because Anne-Marie being the mole is the only disappointing ending to me because everyone playing pretty much knew it. I guess if Anne-Marie is the Mole, the winner is a toss-up, if Liesbeth is the mole then Anne-Marie wins, and if Hadewych is the mole then lol.
loopymilkshake		#199	[-]
Posts: 3987 03/08/12 05:32 PM Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I read the outcome Spoiler [+] I had Anne-Marie pegged as the winner, so I guess I'm not too disappointed, but I consider this to be pretty much a fail. People were suspicious of her since the get-go. What strikes me as weird, however, was that people such as Marit, William, and Tim all went out after going for her. Maybe they actually didn't or people were REALLY that on to her the entire time. My opinion might change as I watch the finale, but as of now, I still consider her to be a pretty crummy mole. Congratulations to Hadewych! Easily my favorite out of the final three. Strange winner's edit though. And I had Liesbeth tagged as the Mole. Good thing she lost, I suppose.
MrEspionage		#200	[-]
Posts: 44 03/08/12 08:57 PM Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Spoiler [+] is this how u spoil :x
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The Mole Dutch Series 12 [English subtitles]