Why do woman now suck at Survivor?

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HONKandGuacamole	Why do woman now suck at Survivor?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 47 (07/12/09 3:06 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	after seemingly being the dominant sex in the survivor world after ASS with 5 female winners and 3 male winners, in the last 10 seasons there's only been 2 female winners and both of those from an all female final 2 what has happened? do you give a fuck?.... No, but i thought i'd make the observation
srvivrfreakevelrich		#1	[-]
Posts: 1893 (07/12/09 9:19 AM) Admin Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Woman suck at Survivor because the only people the hire are dumb bimbo models who do know shit about the game.
epipen		#2	[-]
Posts: 3 (07/12/09 9:33 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If CBS would actually look at the applications they get, we would get good female contestants again. But like srvivfreakelrich said they just get blondes that are models that don't have a clue how to play the game
srvivrfreakevelrich		#3	[-]
Posts: 1898 (07/12/09 9:37 AM) Admin Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	epipen wrote: If CBS would actually look at the applications they get, we would get good female contestants again. But like srvivfreakelrich said they just get blondes that are models that don't have a clue how to play the game Exactly. Now their never gonna get the Sue type, bitch old hag truck driver from Wisconsin, because all they do is go in bars and look for pretty girls.
epipen		#4	[-]
Posts: 4 (07/12/09 9:40 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	No kidding.... Personally Sue was one of my favorites of the original season.. Or a someone as genuine as Elisabeth CBS has fallen down on my standards for casting the last few years...
Apprentice Talker		#5	[-]
Posts: 9211 (07/12/09 10:19 AM) WRP Official Spokesperson Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Seasons 12-15, 17 and 18 are sucked for losing a million dollars.
goohst		#6	[-]
Posts: 714 (07/12/09 12:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Debbie and Erinn knew what they were doing. Too bad Sierra was assretarded and Erinn had an awful social game. Carolina and Sydney had potential for being recruits.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#7	[-]
Posts: 8529 (07/12/09 12:47 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It partially has to do with ASS. Lex fucked up the game so much, people are now scared to make moves in their own self interest. Seriously, women are not inferior to men at the game. I want a girl next season to ring Probst's neck.
epipen		#8	[-]
Posts: 7 (07/12/09 2:11 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	goohst wrote: Debbie and Erinn knew what they were doing. Too bad Sierra was assretarded and Erinn had an awful social game. Carolina and Sydney had potential for being recruits. Okay if you will notice Debbie applied for the show...so this doesn't apply to her i agree with you that Debbie knew how to play the game Erinn was okay but aside from being the instigator of Tyson's vote, which was a huge moment she really didn't do anything else. Sierra was going next anyway, Debbie basically messed up her whole game, and everyone wanted Coach out anyway.
Attack of the Nuns		#9	[-]
Posts: 95 (07/12/09 2:11 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Susie came so close!! (although thank God she didnt win)
varnish255		#10	[-]
Posts: 276 (07/12/09 3:30 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	People finally realized that anybody can win Survivor, so less people allowed women to squeak through to the end.
goohst		#11	[-]
Posts: 717 (07/12/09 5:02 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	epipen wrote: goohst wrote: Debbie and Erinn knew what they were doing. Too bad Sierra was assretarded and Erinn had an awful social game. Carolina and Sydney had potential for being recruits. Okay if you will notice Debbie applied for the show...so this doesn't apply to her i agree with you that Debbie knew how to play the game Erinn was okay but aside from being the instigator of Tyson's vote, which was a huge moment she really didn't do anything else. Sierra was going next anyway, Debbie basically messed up her whole game, and everyone wanted Coach out anyway. Except that isn't how Survivor works. Debbie had given Sierra an option where she almost always will make final four, and Sierra turned it down because of emotions. Did Debbie and her alliance nail Brendan? Yes, and hell, that was probably better for Sierra because it sets her up as the swing vote instead of a target of the swing vote. Sierra played horribly. Premerge? Not so bad. After the merge? She turned down a chance to go final four with the only two people she could beat. Horrible.
Apollo Italiano		#12	[-]
Posts: 293 (07/12/09 7:14 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	varnish255 wrote: People finally realized that anybody can win Survivor, so less people allowed women to squeak through to the end. X Now you have to come off as especially useless to the (usually male) power players to squeak by. So being a mere woman won't cut it. The qualities of being a physically pathetic woman and/or a terrible harpie of a woman to live with has accounted for many female success in recent seasons. See Cirie, Cassandra, and Denise for examples of the former. See Courtney M, Danielle, Stacy, Peih-Gee, Corinne, and Erinn for examples of the latter. See Courtney Y and Susie for the delightful combination of both. Remember when being an athletic male was the biggest disadvantage because they would be taken out by mid merge? Hell, being a physically capable and slightly pleasant women is probably the worst thing to be on Survivor nowadays. Misty was targetted way early for being a nice, young woman, before demon racist hag Ruth-Marie! Candice and Parvati were even considered more dangerous than the in-his-prime, physically fit, supposedly intelligent Adam. Jaime was considered the most dangerous of Zhan Hu and Jacquie was picked off over Ace. And Debbie, though she got far, was considered the bigger threat than super manly man Coach. But when an all female alliance like Micronesia's or Vanuatu's dominates a long part of the game, China's and Guatemala's final five had four ladies and only one man, and a bimbo like Sugar single handedly rules Gabon, I guess those fears of women getting power are well founded.
goohst		#13	[-]
Posts: 718 (07/12/09 8:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Debbie is different in the way that she was arguably the strongest Timbira left and by far the best social gamer, the only one debatably better being JT.
WylDawg		#14	[-]
Posts: 18701 (07/12/09 8:10 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	before demon racist hag Ruth-Marie! Not to steer the topic off track but what did Ruth Marie ever said/did that was racist?
epipen		#15	[-]
Posts: 8 (07/12/09 9:25 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	goohst wrote: epipen wrote: goohst wrote: Debbie and Erinn knew what they were doing. Too bad Sierra was assretarded and Erinn had an awful social game. Carolina and Sydney had potential for being recruits. Okay if you will notice Debbie applied for the show...so this doesn't apply to her i agree with you that Debbie knew how to play the game Erinn was okay but aside from being the instigator of Tyson's vote, which was a huge moment she really didn't do anything else. Sierra was going next anyway, Debbie basically messed up her whole game, and everyone wanted Coach out anyway. Except that isn't how Survivor works. Debbie had given Sierra an option where she almost always will make final four, and Sierra turned it down because of emotions. Did Debbie and her alliance nail Brendan? Yes, and hell, that was probably better for Sierra because it sets her up as the swing vote instead of a target of the swing vote. Sierra played horribly. Premerge? Not so bad. After the merge? She turned down a chance to go final four with the only two people she could beat. Horrible. Well if you would have read what i posted i said that Debbie was a good player of Survivor. At the end though she kind of screwed herself when she wanted to go after Coach. And I never defended Sierra..but whatever
CatLurvesDorothy		#16	[-]
Posts: 5499 (07/13/09 12:20 AM) OMEDETO, CATHY!! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Apollo Italiano wrote: Now you have to come off as especially useless to the (usually male) power players to squeak by. So being a mere woman won't cut it. The qualities of being a physically pathetic woman and/or a terrible harpie of a woman to live with has accounted for many female success in recent seasons. See Cirie, Cassandra, and Denise for examples of the former. See Courtney M, Danielle, Stacy, Peih-Gee, Corinne, and Erinn for examples of the latter. See Courtney Y and Susie for the delightful combination of both. And yet, strangely, they each received votes at the final TC and got fairly close.
Apollo Italiano		#17	[-]
Posts: 294 (07/13/09 8:23 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	CatLurvesDorothy wrote: Apollo Italiano wrote: Now you have to come off as especially useless to the (usually male) power players to squeak by. So being a mere woman won't cut it. The qualities of being a physically pathetic woman and/or a terrible harpie of a woman to live with has accounted for many female success in recent seasons. See Cirie, Cassandra, and Denise for examples of the former. See Courtney M, Danielle, Stacy, Peih-Gee, Corinne, and Erinn for examples of the latter. See Courtney Y and Susie for the delightful combination of both. And yet, strangely, they each received votes at the final TC and got fairly close. Yes, I know. That's what I was referring to when I called them successful players. WylDawg wrote: before demon racist hag Ruth-Marie! Not to steer the topic off track but what did Ruth Marie ever said/did that was racist? Oh, that's a joke from another board I've posted at where everyone thought it was very strange that Ruth-Marie picked sickly, frail, possibly zombified Dan over in-shape, healthy looking, yet Asian Bruce.
panurge46		#18	[-]
Posts: 1400 (07/13/09 10:40 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	First, let's get some facts in this. Women are still playing well enough to get to the end: S9 :Twila vs Chris (with a F4 having 3 women/1 man) S10: Katie vs Tom (F4 = 2/2) S11: Danni vs Steph (F4 = 3/1) S12: Danielle vs Aras (F4 = 2/2) S13: Becky vs Yul and Ozzy (F4 =2/2) S14: Cassandra vs Earl and Dreamz (F4 = 1/3) S15: Courtney and Amanda vs Todd (F4 = 3/1) S16: Parvati vs Amanda (All female F4) S17: Sugar and Susie vs Bob (F4 = 2/2) S18: JT vs Stephen (F4 = 2/2) So, since ASS, women have counted for 13 of the 24 finalists and for much more F4 players. Women have been more successful getting to the end game which is what players can control. It's the jury that hasn't rewarded them. While Katie and Becky had no game to present to the jury, one could argue that Twila, Danielle, Cassandra, Amanda and even Susie had arguments to make against their respective opponents. Maybe all the bashing you guys gave the ASS jury for voting Amber has something to do with it but the male way of playing the game seems to be more appreciated these days. Another thing to consider is that the larger cast has meant longer pre-merge which is a time where women have more problems avoiding the vote. Women have often been outnumbered when the merge happened so reaching the F4 in larger numbers is quite admirable.
WylDawg		#19	[-]
Posts: 18715 (07/13/09 12:20 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't think it's women who necessairly suck but the fact that they keep ending up in final 2/3s against golden boy alpha males who dominated the game. Stephen has a penis as far as I know, and he got slaughtered because he teamed up with a golden boy. So it's not necessairly a sexism issue. Last Edited By: WylDawg 07/13/09 4:58 PM. Edited 1 times.
tullfan2		#20	[-]
Posts: 3582 (07/13/09 3:03 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	WylDawg wrote: I don't think it's women who necessairly suck but the fact that they keep ending up in final 2/3s against golden boy alpha males who dominated the game. That's part of it but the other part is that aside from Cirie in Panama and the Black Widow Brigade, most women that have made the endgame have not dominated physically or strategically. Amanda, Cassandra and Becky all lost out to men who were considered to be better strategists than them even though Todd, Earl and Yul failed to win a single individual challenge.

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