S18 - Episode 10 - Play By Play/Post Show Analysis - MESS Hall Tribal Council - Spoiler Related - Survivor Sucks - Message Board

0 Kudo

S18 - Episode 10 - Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

Started By	Comment
Trixiego		#81	[-]
Posts: 16748 (05/01/09 5:49 AM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Erinn was not crying when she voted nor was she upset. She did one of those sheepish things while voting because she was voting someone in her alliance which is why she wrote Never again, I swear. She did it because she promised Sierra she wouldn't vote for her.
Trixiego		#82	[-]
Posts: 16749 (05/01/09 6:18 AM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	MissRabbit wrote: i know they voted out Sierra to make peace in the tribe but leaving in a SOLID twosome could very well have been a mistake. All they have to do is win Erinn over (you're going to be the first to go when it's F4 don't you know???) and they've tied it up 3 vs 3. If they had gotten rid of Debbie, it's smooth sailing to the end. Coach has no one, Sierra has no one, Erinn has no one. Yeah i know she's with Taj/Stephen/JT but the odds of Erinn, Sierra & Coach ever being able to haphazardly form an alliance of 3 to tie it up is slim to none. Wooing one person over from the other side is challenging enough, but swaying 2 people is near impossible. So keeping in a SOLID 2some where they're only 1 person shy of tying it up is just begging for something to go horribly wrong. We know from the F4 challenge that JT and Taj make it which almost assures that Stephen makes it as well, thus everything i've said above is neither here nor there. But JT/Stephen couldn't have known it would for sure work in their favour so my thought still stands that booting Sierra & not breaking up the 2some of Debbie & Coach might not have been the wisest move. Heck, we could see Erinn next eppy going to Coach & Debbie saying she's still pissed Stephen sent her to Exile (evidenced by her voting for him at TC). 3 votes Stephen, 3 votes Coach(?). Tiebreaker Stephen goes home.Then erinn flips back over to take out Coach or Debbie. The only thing we know for sure is F4 includes Taj & JT. the other 2 are unknowns. While this scenario isn't likely, it's possible. I dunno - I actually thought the move to get rid of Sierra was kind of smart - Stephen said Sierra is erratic and I think the way he thinks is better to go with what you know then what you don't. He understands Debbie's game play and if you understand something you can work around it better than something you can't understand. I think Stephen feels pretty secure about E/T/JT so the chances that Deb/Coach can pull anything with numbers is not a huge concern for him now. Stephen and JT did a pretty good job selling to Coach/Deb that they will be the foursome and at the very least, Coach believes them because he is so deluded about his own amazingness that Debbie is almost forced to stay with their assurances because what other choice does she really have? On paper though, Stephen summed it up, if you know how someone is playing you can work with it, if you don't then you are taking a chance and I think his statements were made for a reason. Plus Debbie going to the jury this round would cause a greater possibility of Stephen, etc. to have problems with a jury vote from her and possibly Tyson since we saw them assure Coach/Deb they are the final four together. Nothing like that was said to Sierra - she will be bitter towards Coach and Debbie. They may have also been looking at what move is best to not screw themselves if they are in the finals and that was also touched upon during the TC questioning and I think that is relevant also
birdlady		#83	[-]
Posts: 2564 (05/01/09 6:58 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Stephen started trying to steer the vote towards Debbie, but I think once he got frightened, he let JT have his way. That was my impression, too. Everyone is cold and wet and hungry, which are things that physically make you cranky and generally irrational. Stephen may have made the best decision by not pushing JT. I wish we were hearing more internal dialog from JT. This boot choice seems in line with his choice to eat at the immunity challenge last week. Is he short-sighted by going for the imediate gratification of food and peace and quiet? Or is he calculatingly long-sighted, recognizing that he's pretty secure right now, and taking a tiny risk in these rounds lets him be physically and mentally stronger for the final rounds, where the competition will be tighter? I'm also really wondering about Taj. The editors want us to think Jalapao has been one functional family all along, and she's just laying low as part of their strategy. But I'm starting to wonder if the real story is that at the merge Stephen and JT did jump to a primary alliance with the Timbira men, and were just smart enough not to burn their bridges with Taj. She's laying low as her own best strategy, not as an alliance plan, and it will just work out that Jalapao comes back together by F4.
ratsnsnakes		#84	[-]
Posts: 857 (05/01/09 10:13 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Birdlady, I've been wondering about Taj too. Last night she voted for Debbie. Did she vote for Debbie on principal, even though she knew Sierra would go, or did they keep her out of the loop. Erinn voted for Stephen because she told Sierra she wasn't writing her name down, so clearly she knew that Sierra was the one going. It is not good if your primary alliance tells a newbie to the alliance what they're doing and don't tell you.
Trixiego		#85	[-]
Posts: 16755 (05/01/09 10:29 AM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Taj stated in her vote that she promised Sierra she wouldn't vote her
rower	Episode 10 - Play by Play/Post Show Analysis	#86	[-]
Posts: 2039 (05/01/09 10:30 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm in agreement with Trixiego on this one. Loose cannons are dangerous. Take last season's lose cannon as an example... Sugar. You never knew where she was going to fall because she played strictly on emotion. Everyone discounted her as a threat because she wasn't a physical challenge and even after the HII (which had kept her safe most of the game) expired there was no real effort to take her out. Who would have thought that she would take Bob to the endgame? Sierra went off and spilled secrets last night that exposed both Coach and Debbi but the next time she could have very well gone off against JT and Stephen leaving their plans exposed as well. It seemed that JT/Stephen/Erinn/Taj all believed Sierra when she told them about Coach/Debbi's plan which means that Sierra served her purpose. Stephen told JT that he was freaking out at the thought that Sierra would re-join with Coach and Debbi and even though they discussed that they might be able to use Sierra in the future, they also knew that she could be a wild card. I think they made the correct decision not based on emotion but based on a through review of all the options. Coach's "big" IC win was ludicrous. For a self-proclaimed physical threat he wins a game that anyone could have won. I was laughing as he described to JT how his superior concentration and mental strength made this "his" challenge. Coach doesn't have the numbers and that was probably his one and only IC win. Debbi is good but she is on the JT/Stephen/Taj radar and as we have seen tries to throw Coach under the bus next week. That will only increase the target on her back. JT/Taj/Stephen have the numbers with Erinn (who never liked anyone on her tribe) and with that will be able to pick off either Debbi or Coach next week.
everythursdaynight	Erinn's voice	#87	[-]
Posts: 5 (05/01/09 12:52 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But...I think JT and Stephen actually orchestrated the whole thing...They decide they want Sierra out. They know Debbie and Coach are on board with that. So if Stephen and JT vote Sierra, that plays into Coach's vision of the final four (C,D, S and JT). Then they arrange for Taj to vote for Debbie, both fulfilling her promise to Sierra not to vote for her AND making it look like she's on the outside of the S-JT-D-C alliance. Then have Erinn vote Stephen to make her look unallied with anyone while at the same time avoiding a tiebreaker in case Sierra does have Brendan's idol. Brilliant really--or dumb luck?
ratsnsnakes		#88	[-]
Posts: 860 (05/01/09 1:04 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I just read the Insider transcripts over on Spoilers (Read no more if you don't want to know) and it appears that this boot was A) Not a surprise to Sierra B) Taj, JT, Erinn, and Stephen really did believe Sierra C) But they decided she was too much of a loose cannon to keep around and that they better "get" Debbie and Coach and can compensate. Taj and Erinn knew Sierra was going but had promised not to vote for her AND Taj said something like this was to lull Debbie and Coach into believing they were in the F4 with JT and Stephen. So yeah, it would appear that this was orchestrated somewhat. The Ponderosa videos are way fun, too. I was happy to see that Tyson and Brendan did not behave like last year's onions but greeted Sierra with open arms. She regaled them with an imitation of Coach's Immunity win and cry of "Dragonslayer" which made them laugh alot.
Sam Buru		#89	[-]
Posts: 1521 (05/02/09 8:34 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ratsnsnakes wrote: Taj said something like this was to lull Debbie and Coach into believing they were in the F4 with JT and Stephen. So yeah, it would appear that this was orchestrated somewhat. I had that feeling when I saw her vote. It will also seem to Coach and Debbie that Erinn's vote for Stephen meant that she was pissed because he sent her to Exile ... Erinn appears to be all by herself with no alliances. They have done an excellent job lulling them, I wonder if Debbie now comes to the conclusion that her two votes at TC is a wake up call for damage control ... that is why she is throwing Coach under the bus. I also was glad to see Tyson being fairly gracious toward Sierra at Ponderosa. Great clips there! The slip and slide was pretty funny and next TC is going to be a hoot when they show up dressed in Coach's honor!
erickman		#90	[-]
Posts: 20567 (05/02/09 8:23 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	i say when roach is booted the viewing of the pondarosa clips will be the higest ever. you know it will be a hoot them all calling him on his crap.
Trixiego		#91	[-]
Posts: 16769 (05/04/09 7:00 AM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	testing
Die Apokalyptischen Reiter		#92	[-]
Posts: 1474 (05/05/09 3:20 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	3 Timbiras - 3 Jalapaos.
mahdoo		#93	[-]
Posts: 323 (05/06/09 3:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	birdlady wrote: I wish we were hearing more internal dialog from JT. This boot choice seems in line with his choice to eat at the immunity challenge last week. Is he short-sighted by going for the imediate gratification of food and peace and quiet? Or is he calculatingly long-sighted, recognizing that he's pretty secure right now, and taking a tiny risk in these rounds lets him be physically and mentally stronger for the final rounds, where the competition will be tighter? I'd like to hear more of JT's thoughts too. They seem to be portraying him as the "brawn" to Stephen's "brain." How much of that is the reality of the situation is not possible for me to tell. The two seem always to confer as equals when deciding what should be done. More often than not, we are shown Stephen gently maneuvering JT to Stephen's thinking. I think last boot, we saw Stephen defer to JT; perhaps Stephen thought the vote wasn't critical one way or the other. I keep thinking about the scene where JT asks Stephen if he really thought the two of them were "in control of the game." It does seem JT is more assertive about immediate needs, and Stephen more assertive about long-sighted strategy.

<< Previous Topic Next Topic >>

Yuku free message boards

S18 - Episode 10 - Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

Quick Reply