4/15/09 Ep13 "Some Like it Hoth"

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cindidindi76		#141	[-]
Posts: 17013 (04/16/09 11:31 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So, my new theory about who the "shadow of the statue" people are working for (until the next new episode, anyways) is Eloise. She doesn't trust Ben any further than she could throw Hurley, so she sent some people to make sure he does what he's supposed to.
PAPAYOKE		#142	[-]
Posts: 20938 (04/16/09 11:36 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm expecting Hurley to be responsible for the numbers being used for the hatch computer code. Maybe he suggests it to Radzinsky or some other sad sack when the computer first asks for a password. :p I also thought the joke about Pierre being suspicious of Miles was funny. But this episode at least made it clear that you can at least see yourself at another time in your life, though who's to say that a plane wouldn't have dropped out of the sky right on Miles' head if he had tried to enter the house and play with his cayoot, widdle self.
Do NOT Call Me Jenny		#143	[-]
Posts: 738 (04/16/09 11:39 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	They could be working for Eloise. We know they aren't working for Widmore now. I don't think they are working for Ben. We now know that they have been on this mission for at least 3 years, which was interesting to find out.
ratsnsnakes		#144	[-]
Posts: 845 (04/16/09 12:04 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	so what would make somebody's tooth become dislodged from it's gumbone and fly through the cranium and out the forehead skull therefore causing a bullet-like hole and death? magnets? why only him? he the only one with metal in his mouth? or did he get too close to sumpin' he shouldn't have of? gonna hafta rewatch. I think this is as simple as that. He worked building the Swan, was not careful enough and got too close to the magnet and swoop! the filling drilled a hole in the brain. Depends on what the filling is made of. My brother and I were trying to remember what fillings were made of in 1977 vs. today. Lead amalgam wouldn't be affected by a magnet but gold or some other metal would? Could explain why Desmond's teeth were safe.
sixthreegiraffe		#145	[-]
Posts: 81 (04/16/09 12:06 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ghostbusted wrote: sixthreegiraffe wrote: just thinking about the path of least resistance It is probably not a simple magnet design. Magnets are used to do things like steer beams in particle accelerators or confine plasmas in tokamaks so they can be made to move things in curved paths. when you put it like that, it makes so much more sense.
PoChop		#146	[-]
Posts: 2075 (04/16/09 12:11 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	What lies at the foot of the statue? It's a guardian statue, and dead people lie at rest. Maybe Jacob? The statue has fallen. Rubble? Barney Rubble? One of Harry Burton's most brilliant documentary photographs shows Howard Carter, his friend Arthur R. ("Pecky") Callender (d. 1936) (a retired engineer and architect) and a workman preparing one of the two life-size (guardian statue) figures for transport to the nearby tomb of Pharaoh Seti II (ruled ca. 1200-1194 B.C.); a field laboratory for conservation was established in the New Kingdom ruler's nearby tomb. The statue being wrapped in cloth portrays Tutankhamun wearing the nemes or official royal head cloth. The work to the left of the Burial Chamber's entrance, wearing an afnet (kerchief headdress) or bag wig, represents the king's ka (soul or spiritual double after death).
pleasepassthepork		#147	[-]
Posts: 427 (04/16/09 12:14 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ratsnsnakes wrote: so what would make somebody's tooth become dislodged from it's gumbone and fly through the cranium and out the forehead skull therefore causing a bullet-like hole and death? magnets? why only him? he the only one with metal in his mouth? or did he get too close to sumpin' he shouldn't have of? gonna hafta rewatch. I think this is as simple as that. He worked building the Swan, was not careful enough and got too close to the magnet and swoop! the filling drilled a hole in the brain. Depends on what the filling is made of. My brother and I were trying to remember what fillings were made of in 1977 vs. today. Lead amalgam wouldn't be affected by a magnet but gold or some other metal would? Could explain why Desmond's teeth were safe. Dental amalgam info from wiki: Around 1970, the ingredients changed to the new non-gamma-2 form, with lower manufacturing cost, greater mechanical strength, and better corrosion resistance. The reduced-gamma-2 amalgams (sometimes referred to as "high-copper" amalgams) contain approximately equal parts 50% of liquid mercury and 50% of an alloy powder containing:^{[citation needed]} > 40% silver (Ag) < 32% tin (Sn) < 30% copper (Cu) < 2% zinc (Zn) < 3% mercury (Hg)
Manila ESQ		#148	[-]
Posts: 207 (04/16/09 12:47 PM) Osten Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm guessing that Chang did not suspect Miles to be his son because at that time, they have not yet discovered that time travel is possible. Their experiments were focused on other matters.
Merrilin		#149	[-]
Posts: 1167 (04/16/09 1:06 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I loved this episode. But Miles and Hurley are pretty much my favorites on the show at the moment so that makes me decidedly biased. And I've had that stupid Ewok song stuck in my head all afternoon.
OT recruiter		#150	[-]
Posts: 1533 (04/16/09 2:16 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	YAY for dan coming back to save the day!
Cheyenie		#151	[-]
Posts: 1044 (04/16/09 2:30 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Maybe he doesn't save the day. Maybe he's responsible for the incident and that's why he was crying when he was watching the news.
Aunt Pappy		#152	[-]
Posts: 18301 (04/16/09 2:42 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Those were my thoughts, too, Cheyenie. But I also wonder if he already knows that he will be the one. (And GO, CAVS!!)
twonyx		#153	[-]
Posts: 125 (04/16/09 2:45 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OK, here's my question. We know Locke watched Pierre's video with time traveling bunny when Ben was breaking through to the donkey wheel; but do any of the other Losties know about the bunny experiments? And do any of you think the Losties will be the reason Pierre starts studing time travel because someone spills the beans? Maybe it's Daniel's idea to study time travel?
stacy1201		#154	[-]
Posts: 438 (04/16/09 2:51 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	WiscBadger95 wrote: yorlik wrote: so what would make somebody's tooth become dislodged from it's gumbone and fly through the cranium and out the forehead skull therefore causing a bullet-like hole and death? magnets? why only him? he the only one with metal in his mouth? or did he get too close to sumpin' he shouldn't have of? gonna hafta rewatch. I think this is as simple as that. He worked building the Swan, was not careful enough and got too close to the magnet and swoop! the filling drilled a hole in the brain. Remember in S2, Des told Jack that every time he got too close to the dividing wall in the Swan, his fillings hurt. Hmm..I always thought he said his "feelings" hurt. Just kidding...It did kinda sound like it though..
Antithesys		#155	[-]
Posts: 24228 (04/16/09 3:21 PM) Gadabout Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I kind of wish Hurley was responsible for putting the numbers on the hatch. Something that's always bothered my logical mind is that Hurley played the lottery with the numbers and won against all odds, leading him to a string of bad luck and causing him to search out the numbers' origin, leading him to Australia and then to crash on the very island from which those numbers originated. I won't believe Widmore or Ben or whoever could have rigged the lottery unless we're shown how they did it...it's witnessed and audited to be random. But as a coincidence, it's easily the most ridiculous and contrived coincidence I've ever encountered in fiction or real life. I believe that the numbers' only two significant appearances are as the lottery drawing and as the values of the Valenzetti equation...most other appearances are either in-jokes or deliberate homages to the latter (the Swan's frequent use of it, for example), and not ultimately important to the story. If it could be finagled such that Hurley is somehow responsible for creating the equation (inasmuch as one could be responsible for creating a mathematical constant...it's not like someone just one day decided that pi would be 3.14), then it would create an open (non-paradoxical) loop where the actual origin of the numbers is the lottery drawing, and had the balls randomized themselves just a little differently then the equation might be 2 9 19 31 36 48 or whatever. It appears to be too late for Hurley to do anything in 1977 (the numbers are already clearly significant to Dharma since they put them on the hatch), so he'd have to go back to an earlier timeframe.
GeckoIsGod		#156	[-]
Posts: 701 (04/16/09 3:43 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Antithesys wrote: I kind of wish Hurley was responsible for putting the numbers on the hatch. Something that's always bothered my logical mind is that Hurley played the lottery with the numbers and won against all odds, leading him to a string of bad luck and causing him to search out the numbers' origin, leading him to Australia and then to crash on the very island from which those numbers originated. I won't believe Widmore or Ben or whoever could have rigged the lottery unless we're shown how they did it...it's witnessed and audited to be random. But as a coincidence, it's easily the most ridiculous and contrived coincidence I've ever encountered in fiction or real life. I believe that the numbers' only two significant appearances are as the lottery drawing and as the values of the Valenzetti equation...most other appearances are either in-jokes or deliberate homages to the latter (the Swan's frequent use of it, for example), and not ultimately important to the story. If it could be finagled such that Hurley is somehow responsible for creating the equation (inasmuch as one could be responsible for creating a mathematical constant...it's not like someone just one day decided that pi would be 3.14), then it would create an open (non-paradoxical) loop where the actual origin of the numbers is the lottery drawing, and had the balls randomized themselves just a little differently then the equation might be 2 9 19 31 36 48 or whatever. It appears to be too late for Hurley to do anything in 1977 (the numbers are already clearly significant to Dharma since they put them on the hatch), so he'd have to go back to an earlier timeframe. Found this on lostpedia: Damon Lindelof There are some questions that are very engaging and interesting, and then there are other questions that we have no interest whatsoever in answering. We call it the midi-chlorian debate, because at a certain point, explaining something mystical demystifies it. To try and have a character come and say, "Here is what the numbers mean," actually makes every usage of the numbers up to that point less interesting. You can actually watch Star Wars now, and when Obi-Wan talks about the Force to Luke for the first time, it loses its luster because the Force has been explained as, sort of, little biological agents that are in your blood stream. So you go, "Oh, I liked Obi-Wan's version a lot better." Which in the case of our show is, "The numbers are bad luck, they keep popping up in Hurley's life, they appear on the island." ... But if you're watching the show for a detailed explanation of what the numbers mean-and I'm not saying you won't see more of them-then you will be disappointed by the end of season six.
Antithesys		#157	[-]
Posts: 24230 (04/16/09 3:51 PM) Gadabout Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well I don't really care what the numbers are, I just don't think it would demystify anything by tying up that coincidence. Even if they worked it so that someone rigged the lottery somehow, that would be relatively okay...it's still a ridiculous coincidence that Hurley wound up on the island, but no worse than the other ridiculous coincidences that led all these other pseudo-acquainted people to the island.
GameShowMyAss		#158	[-]
Posts: 4390 (04/16/09 4:00 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Maybe the island merely compelled him to play that particular week. A time-traveller or Keith could have sought those flaming numbers out and brought it back to camp.
phantomkp		#159	[-]
Posts: 718 (04/16/09 4:13 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Antithesys wrote: Well I don't really care what the numbers are, I just don't think it would demystify anything by tying up that coincidence. Even if they worked it so that someone rigged the lottery somehow, that would be relatively okay...it's still a ridiculous coincidence that Hurley wound up on the island, but no worse than the other ridiculous coincidences that led all these other pseudo-acquainted people to the island. The numbers coming up so Hurley wins is fate, not coincedence. Right now, you cant look at any of this stuff as coincendence. You say its a bunch of rediculous coincidences that led all the people on flight 815 so it can crash...but you gotta remember is that in 2004, they had always gone on 815 and crashed on the Island. It was always supposed to be. If they hadnt, nothing in the past would have happened the way it was supposed to be. The force of fate...that ensured little Ben couldnt die by Sayid's bullet in the "past"...is the same one that ensures all these people get on that flight. You can look back on your life and sum it up as a bunch of small happenstances and coincidences to get you to where you are...i can think of all the small bizarre coincedences that allowed my parents to meet and stay together long enough to have me,..and if i look hard enough i can say "wow, if it wasnt for all those little things to collide i wouldnt be here!" or i can say "I was supposed to be here all along, so those bizarre things are fate intervening and of course had to happen..its not that bizarre or coincedental" You just seem to be looking at these peoples lives in the former. Which isnt bad, its just unfair to assume its rediculous, forced, or bad story construction. When really, its very normal and happenes in life all the time.
GeckoIsGod		#160	[-]
Posts: 702 (04/16/09 4:17 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GameShowMyAss wrote: Maybe the island merely compelled him to play that particular week. A time-traveller or Keith could have sought those flaming numbers out and brought it back to camp. Are you saying gLennLovecoLLeen came up with the numbers?

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