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Trixiego	S17 - Finale - Solving Riddles	Lead	[-]
Posts: 24077 12/12/08 06:38 AM Kiss me, I'm Adminish More Recent Posts	Title: Say Goodbye To Gabon Per CBS Website -Two castaways are sent packing, leaving three to plead their case for the one million dollar prize and the title of sole survivor. -A shocking turn of events causes the castaways to scramble for new strategies in the moments before Tribal Council. -The fate of the final four rests in the hands of one castaway who reveals an outrageous decision at the most surprising Tribal Council yet. - The jury is faced with a million dollar decision after they question the last three castaways at the final Tribal Council. CBS Press Release Two Castaways are sent packing, leaving three to plead their case at the final tribal council where one castaway will be awarded the million dollar prize and the title of sole survivor, ON "SURVIVOR GABON - EARTH'S LAST EDEN," SUNDAY, DEC. 14 "Say Goodbye to Gabon" - What started as a lopsided battle between the Fang and Kota tribes ends with a shocking turn of events between the remaining members of Nobag. Find out the fate of the final five leading into an outrageous decision at the most surprising Tribal Council yet, on SURVIVOR: GABON - EARTH'S LAST EDEN, Sunday, Dec. 14 (8:00-11:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Last Edited By: Trixiego 12/12/08 12:19 PM. Edited 1 time.
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donutsrule		#1	[-]
Posts: 811 12/12/08 06:57 AM Registered user More Recent Posts	-A shocking turn of events causes the castaways to scramble for new strategies in the moments before Tribal Council. Well I would say that Kenny wins immunity so they're all "What the hell do we do now?" and that still could be the case, even though it's moments before Tribal Council, because we don't know how quick the turnaround will be between IC challenge and TC. I mean in Fiji they did have that IC challenge straight to TC thing which led to Michelle's boot, maybe they'll do that again. In short. I dunno. lol
birdlady		#2	[-]
Posts: 5320 12/12/08 08:39 AM Registered user More Recent Posts	-A shocking turn of events causes the castaways to scramble for new strategies in the moments before Tribal Council. -The fate of the final four rests in the hands of one castaway who reveals an outrageous decision at the most surprising Tribal Council yet Ooh, maybe this is the gorilla punching! (Or guerilla punching, that would be a nice season-ending transition from our little untouched paradise to the reality.) Let's say it's chronological, so the shocking turn of events is F5, and the outrageous decision F4. The most shocking would be if Bob actually does have the floating idol (which doesn't have an expiry). I don't think Bob, Ken, or Matty winning immunity could really be "shocking", but maybe if it's Sugar or Susie, although it's hard to see how that could create a scramble. Some sort of change in game play? The jury is going to participate in the boot in some way? Someone gets to boot a juror? How could the fate of all four players rest in the hands of one? If it's the guerilla hostage situation, that's obvious. Otherwise, a tie vote, with some crazy tiebreaker we've never seen before? Someone quits? But that's not really "sent packing". That car is still lurking out there. One of these could be some sort of option to take the vehicle and leave the game. Maybe the person with immunity gives it up to take the car, effectively booting themselves.
Trixiego		#3	[-]
Posts: 24077 12/12/08 09:50 AM Kiss me, I'm Adminish More Recent Posts	donutsrule wrote: -A shocking turn of events causes the castaways to scramble for new strategies in the moments before Tribal Council. Well I would say that Kenny wins immunity so they're all "What the hell do we do now?" and that still could be the case, even though it's moments before Tribal Council, because we don't know how quick the turnaround will be between IC challenge and TC. I mean in Fiji they did have that IC challenge straight to TC thing which led to Michelle's boot, maybe they'll do that again. In short. I dunno. lol I agree with you barring any new information that comes out. A shocking turn of events could simply be the four B/S/S/M all ready to say goodbye to Ken and he ends up winning immunity and if this is just prior to the final TC it would cause last minute scrambling; we don't know how all of this is working out; things have been moved and shook a lot this season. Although outrageous decision is my hinky
ratsnsnakes		#4	[-]
Posts: 1529 12/12/08 10:13 AM MESS member More Recent Posts	I'm so confused. (What else is new?) I was sure Kenny=Toast after last night but I think it's entirely possible that you're right and he wins the F5 IC But how does that work into the fate of all F4 being in one player's hand? Birdlady, I'll bite. What is the gorilla/guerilla punching thing?
Que		#5	[-]
Posts: 1527 12/12/08 10:25 AM MESS member More Recent Posts	But how does that work into the fate of all F4 being in one player's hand? IF Kenny wins immunity: Matty and Susie vote for BOB and Bob and Sugar vote for Susie. Kenny votes for Matty. Thats a tie. who reveals an outrageous decision at the most surprising Tribal Council yet The outrageous decision could be someone goes home voluntarily??? edit...I dind't read the entire clue!! Last Edited By: Que 12/12/08 10:29 AM. Edited 2 times.
ratsnsnakes		#6	[-]
Posts: 1529 12/12/08 11:16 AM MESS member More Recent Posts	IF Kenny wins immunity: Matty and Susie vote for BOB and Bob and Sugar vote for Susie. Kenny votes for Matty. Thats a tie. I can't remember now: if there is a tie with one tie breaking vote, does everyone re-vote or just the outlier? Oooooooooooh, that might be how the person holds F4 in his hand: if Kenny lets it be known he's the outlier vote he could make some kind of outrageous decision like "If two of you don't switch your votes to Matty I will vote either Bob or Susie out of the game" ? Although that would not be wise for jury votes.
anywho		#7	[-]
Posts: 853 12/12/08 11:53 AM Registered User More Recent Posts	Two Castaways are sent packing, leaving three to plead their case at the final tribal council where one castaway will be awarded the million dollar prize and the title of sole survivor, ON "SURVIVOR GABON - EARTH'S LAST EDEN," SUNDAY, DEC. 14 "Say Goodbye to Gabon" - What started as a lopsided battle between the Fang and Kota tribes ends with a shocking turn of events between the remaining members of Nobag. Find out the fate of the final five leading into an outrageous decision at the most surprising Tribal Council yet, on SURVIVOR: GABON - EARTH'S LAST EDEN, Sunday, Dec. 14 (8:00-11:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
MissRabbit		#8	[-]
Posts: 958 12/12/08 04:58 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	to me, it sounding like the outrageous decision is at F4 not at F5. My first instinct was that Sugar was up to her oddities again and pulls another move from out of nowhere. Sugar=outrageous decision. I agree, unfortunately, with y'all that Kenny must win F5 IC which makes them all scramble to figure out who to boot. Although at that point, i can't really see there being a tie. Bob & Sugar will probably go for Matty, Susie & Matty will go for Bob and Kenny will be the tie breaker. I can't really see Sugar or Susie booted and if Kenny wins IC, that keeps him safe too.
Que		#9	[-]
Posts: 1527 12/12/08 05:55 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	Sugar=outrageous decision Rabbit I agree that clue must pretain to sugar. Her behavior is consistanly "outrageous". First booted Ace her #1 ally and F2 partner. Then got Bob to fake out Randy. Then flipped and voted out one of her F3 allies. so what would now be considered "outrageous" decision?
birdlady		#10	[-]
Posts: 5320 12/12/08 06:04 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	You know, it's "reveals" an outrageous decision at tribal council. Does that mean reveal in the sense that Probst reveals the votes? (Someone voted for themselves?) Or reveal in the sense that the decision was made sometime earlier, and they're just now telling everyone about it? Which wouldn't be anything about a tiebreaker, for example. Anyways, is this telling us that firestarter Susie does make the finals?
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tullfan2		#11	[-]
Posts: 4251 12/12/08 07:20 PM Registered User More Recent Posts	I believe that the outrageous decision is that Sugar asks to be voted out at the Final 4 TC. Think about it, if Sugar was going to be trashed by the jury, her edit would have been far more negative akin to how Katie, Stephenie and Twila were portrayed. Corinne hates Sugar because she finds her to be annoying, lazy, opinionated and high maintenance. The editors could have shown this about Sugar at Kota early in the season. Instead the negative editing at Kota was focused on Ace. Randy complained a lot more about Crystal/GC/Susie on the show than he did about Sugar. Even Charlie, who is fairly level headed said that Sugar is being portrayed much more positively than she actually was. If she is in the Final 3 and many of the jurors lash out at her, the average viewer will be puzzled as to why the jurors would be so angry at her. Much of the negativity that we know of toward Sugar from others was expressed in the contestant's post exit interviews which the average viewer does not read. Pragmatically, Sugar must know that she will not get the votes to win so why not give someone she likes such as Bob, Matty or Ken a chance to win rather than have the traumatic experience of facing the jury and placing 2nd or 3rd only to win a bit more money than she would if she finished 4th. My theory is that Sugar has been portrayed far more positively than reality because the editors want the viewers to feel sad when she decides to quit. All of Sugar's decisions seem to be about eliminating (or humiliating) people that she feels do not deserve to win rather than being about furthering herself in the game. This is consistent with her realizing that she has no chance to win. Last Edited By: tullfan2 12/12/08 07:26 PM. Edited 2 times.
sunflower101		#12	[-]
Posts: 7080 12/12/08 07:42 PM More Recent Posts	MissRabbit wrote: to me, it sounding like the outrageous decision is at F4 not at F5. My first instinct was that Sugar was up to her oddities again and pulls another move from out of nowhere. Sugar=outrageous decision. I agree, unfortunately, with y'all that Kenny must win F5 IC which makes them all scramble to figure out who to boot. Although at that point, i can't really see there being a tie. Bob & Sugar will probably go for Matty, Susie & Matty will go for Bob and Kenny will be the tie breaker. I can't really see Sugar or Susie booted and if Kenny wins IC, that keeps him safe too. In defense of Sugar, her strategy becomes a lot clearer if you watch the insider clips. Sugar had 2 final 3 deals. She had one with Matty/Susie and Crystal/Kenny. She originally was going to go with Kenny/Crystal at the final 5, because she felt she had a better chance in front of a jury with them. She then decided this past episode to go with Matty to the end, after she got upset with Crystal/Kenny. According to one of the insider clips, Sugar thought that she was Kenny's number 1 ally.
sunflower101		#13	[-]
Posts: 7080 12/12/08 07:45 PM More Recent Posts	tullfan2 wrote: I believe that the outrageous decision is that Sugar asks to be voted out at the Final 4 TC. Think about it, if Sugar was going to be trashed by the jury, her edit would have been far more negative akin to how Katie, Stephenie and Twila were portrayed. Corinne hates Sugar because she finds her to be annoying, lazy, opinionated and high maintenance. The editors could have shown this about Sugar at Kota early in the season. Instead the negative editing at Kota was focused on Ace. Randy complained a lot more about Crystal/GC/Susie on the show than he did about Sugar. Even Charlie, who is fairly level headed said that Sugar is being portrayed much more positively than she actually was. If she is in the Final 3 and many of the jurors lash out at her, the average viewer will be puzzled as to why the jurors would be so angry at her. Much of the negativity that we know of toward Sugar from others was expressed in the contestant's post exit interviews which the average viewer does not read. Pragmatically, Sugar must know that she will not get the votes to win so why not give someone she likes such as Bob, Matty or Ken a chance to win rather than have the traumatic experience of facing the jury and placing 2nd or 3rd only to win a bit more money than she would if she finished 4th. My theory is that Sugar has been portrayed far more positively than reality because the editors want the viewers to feel sad when she decides to quit. All of Sugar's decisions seem to be about eliminating (or humiliating) people that she feels do not deserve to win rather than being about furthering herself in the game. This is consistent with her realizing that she has no chance to win. I don't think anyone quits, but if their is another car challenge maybe Sugar also wins it. She might be less worried about coming in third if she has a consolation prize.
tullfan2		#14	[-]
Posts: 4251 12/12/08 08:12 PM Registered User More Recent Posts	sunflower101 wrote: tullfan2 wrote: I believe that the outrageous decision is that Sugar asks to be voted out at the Final 4 TC. Think about it, if Sugar was going to be trashed by the jury, her edit would have been far more negative akin to how Katie, Stephenie and Twila were portrayed. Corinne hates Sugar because she finds her to be annoying, lazy, opinionated and high maintenance. The editors could have shown this about Sugar at Kota early in the season. Instead the negative editing at Kota was focused on Ace. Randy complained a lot more about Crystal/GC/Susie on the show than he did about Sugar. Even Charlie, who is fairly level headed said that Sugar is being portrayed much more positively than she actually was. If she is in the Final 3 and many of the jurors lash out at her, the average viewer will be puzzled as to why the jurors would be so angry at her. Much of the negativity that we know of toward Sugar from others was expressed in the contestant's post exit interviews which the average viewer does not read. Pragmatically, Sugar must know that she will not get the votes to win so why not give someone she likes such as Bob, Matty or Ken a chance to win rather than have the traumatic experience of facing the jury and placing 2nd or 3rd only to win a bit more money than she would if she finished 4th. My theory is that Sugar has been portrayed far more positively than reality because the editors want the viewers to feel sad when she decides to quit. All of Sugar's decisions seem to be about eliminating (or humiliating) people that she feels do not deserve to win rather than being about furthering herself in the game. This is consistent with her realizing that she has no chance to win. I don't think anyone quits, but if their is another car challenge maybe Sugar also wins it. She might be less worried about coming in third if she has a consolation prize. It's unlikely that there will be a reward challenge in the Finale. The only times that the Finale has had an RC is when there is only one Immunity challenge (Panama, China). That being said, Sugar should be one of the front runners to win the $100K Sprint Viewer's Choice Award. It should be between her, Bob and Matty.
Apple6666		#15	[-]
Posts: 1187 12/12/08 08:13 PM Registered User More Recent Posts	Someone in the other thread said that Sugar quit at the final TC.
MissRabbit		#16	[-]
Posts: 958 12/12/08 08:16 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	sunflower101 wrote: MissRabbit wrote: to me, it sounding like the outrageous decision is at F4 not at F5. My first instinct was that Sugar was up to her oddities again and pulls another move from out of nowhere. Sugar=outrageous decision. I agree, unfortunately, with y'all that Kenny must win F5 IC which makes them all scramble to figure out who to boot. Although at that point, i can't really see there being a tie. Bob & Sugar will probably go for Matty, Susie & Matty will go for Bob and Kenny will be the tie breaker. I can't really see Sugar or Susie booted and if Kenny wins IC, that keeps him safe too. In defense of Sugar, her strategy becomes a lot clearer if you watch the insider clips. Sugar had 2 final 3 deals. She had one with Matty/Susie and Crystal/Kenny. She originally was going to go with Kenny/Crystal at the final 5, because she felt she had a better chance in front of a jury with them. She then decided this past episode to go with Matty to the end, after she got upset with Crystal/Kenny. According to one of the insider clips, Sugar thought that she was Kenny's number 1 ally. oh i'm a total sugar fan and have loved all her decisions. I just think that if anyone out there is bound to pull out an outrageous decision, it'll be Sugar, based on her past decisions. and i really hope that it's just someone's guess that Sugar leaves at F4 and there's nothing concrete behind it. I would hate to have that happen.
missyae		#17	[-]
Posts: 1652 12/13/08 01:40 AM Registered User More Recent Posts	It is probably something as simple as Kenny being the target but he wins Immunity so they have to scamper to figure out who leaves, Matty or Bob? Maybe Sugar uses, rock, paper, scissors to decide who to vote for.
Orangeena	The S Files=The Sugar Files or Oh NO! The Susie Files!	#18	[-]
Posts: 1647 12/13/08 01:52 AM Registered User More Recent Posts	VG's name for this season was the "S" files, which now looks like the "S" simply stood for Sugar. That she was going to be such a dominant presence/player in this game may be was VG was referring to. It certainly seems that way tonight... HOWEVER, Sugar quitting...well that would fit the "outrageous decision." But it could have something to do with the car... I think Jeff has mentioned the car challenge being moved like the placement of the rest of the usual turning points of the game were moved. So now it looks like that maze challenge, which certainly is a Sucha in size - all that running...Only the three men have the chance of winning that which is endurance...Unless Sugar turns out to be a racing demon and wins immunity, then gives it away... If Ole Onion Bob DOES make the final three he wins... Although Corrine has all put said that she gets to confront Sugar...but she could've been misdirecting and she confronts her AT THE PONDEROSA. Sugar quitting at the F5 would really throw things off...and typically she made all of her decisions at the last minute, just before TC, Corrine said... All the Onions seemed so bitter...All could've been misdirecting. The only remaining person who might lead to this bitterness would be Susie winning.And since we have never seen her virtually at all in this entire season a Susie win would end the franchise... Maybe somebody wins the car at the maze challenge, and there's some "outrageous decision" involved in that they get to CHOOSE the car, or to continue in the game...and somebody chooses the car... Sugar was on her way to getting married. Matty is a trust fund baby. Everybody in Maine has cars. Would the car coveter be Susie? Or Kenny? And the last challenge is endurance always and they never show you what it is beforehand. Hence their letting us see so much of the maze(and the Dream Teamers going through it, people). The Onions bitterness....They ALL felt the same way about the end...Unless they were all acting...But maybe they were...If Susie or Sugar won they'd be bitter...But not so much Matty, and certainly not Bob and maybe not Kenny... Jeff has hinted in his blog over and over that Kenny gets his come-uppance. He's out at five?
dagny1331		#19	[-]
Posts: 4298 12/13/08 02:13 AM MESS member More Recent Posts	Orangeena wrote: Jeff has hinted in his blog over and over that Kenny gets his come-uppance. He's out at five? Here's hoping. Kenny has played well, but I am so over his self-congratulation and his 'poor me' routine last epi was pathetic. He needs to go sooner rather than later. I actually find myself not caring who wins this season. (pretend this is a Whatevia icon here)
Apple6666		#20	[-]
Posts: 1187 12/13/08 04:19 AM Registered User More Recent Posts	Maybe at the final four someone give sugar the car for her IC.
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