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S17 Ep 3 - Challenge(s)

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MissRabbit		#101	[-]
Posts: 958 10/07/08 05:40 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	I LUV TIJUANA wrote: That's definitely Sugar in the boat, not Jacquie. Plus, wouldn't Kota have more members? I think it's... FANG- Matty, Ace, Jacquie, Sugar, Ken, GC, Kelly KOTA- Crystal, Dan, Susie, Bob, Corinne, Marcus, Charlie, Randy I completely agree. In which case, NuFang again got the short end of the stick. Kelly, GC, Sugar & Ken are useless in physical challenges. (not sure about Jacque), leaving only Matty & Ace for strength. On NuKota, they have Crystal, Dan, Marcus, Charlie, Randy (and maybe corinne) as strength for their tribe.
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cindidindi76		#102	[-]
Posts: 31401 10/07/08 06:56 PM Registered User More Recent Posts	I don't know if it's exactly "getting the short end of the stick" if they chose the tribe themselves, lol!
MissRabbit		#103	[-]
Posts: 958 10/07/08 07:11 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	that's true! one of these times, i wish the schoolyard pick'em would change to where you didn't pick survivors for YOUR tribe, but picked survivors for the other one. Can you imagine the drama? Basically 'i don't want you on my tribe. you suck so i'm pawning you off on them!' Plus when it gets down to the good assets, who do you strategically give away to your competitors?
crocophile		#104	[-]
Posts: 14091 10/08/08 04:07 AM MESS with me, I'll MESS with you More Recent Posts	I LUV TIJUANA wrote: That's definitely Sugar in the boat, not Jacquie. Plus, wouldn't Kota have more members? I think it's... FANG- Matty, Ace, Jacquie, Sugar, Ken, GC, Kelly KOTA- Crystal, Dan, Susie, Bob, Corinne, Marcus, Charlie, Randy VG shows 8 on Kota. I think VGs selections make sense if it's the MVP chosing all. They'd tend to keep alliances, maybe even at the expense of tribal strength. Marcus has 4 onions and Matty has the 3 he's been more closely linked to. Marcus probably prefered keeping numbers in selecting Sugar over GC as his next to last pick.... In seeing the actuall video I think VG is correct that's Jacquie in the boat, she seems athletic, unlike Sugar. Tull I can't help but think that Susie is the last chose or automatic exile
I LUV TIJUANA		#105	[-]
Posts: 21717 10/08/08 01:09 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	crocophile wrote: I LUV TIJUANA wrote: That's definitely Sugar in the boat, not Jacquie. Plus, wouldn't Kota have more members? I think it's... FANG- Matty, Ace, Jacquie, Sugar, Ken, GC, Kelly KOTA- Crystal, Dan, Susie, Bob, Corinne, Marcus, Charlie, Randy VG shows 8 on Kota. I think VGs selections make sense if it's the MVP chosing all. They'd tend to keep alliances, maybe even at the expense of tribal strength. Marcus has 4 onions and Matty has the 3 he's been more closely linked to. Marcus probably prefered keeping numbers in selecting Sugar over GC as his next to last pick.... In seeing the actuall video I think VG is correct that's Jacquie in the boat, she seems athletic, unlike Sugar. Tull I can't help but think that Susie is the last chose or automatic exile That wouldn't make sense though. How could Fang have a majority? That wouldn't make sense if the picking went Kota, Fang, Kota, Fang, etc.c
crocophile		#106	[-]
Posts: 14091 10/08/08 01:40 PM MESS with me, I'll MESS with you More Recent Posts	There would be 4 Fang to 3 Kota on NuFang. After the 3 required swaps it's voluntary to take more. Three required swaps makes sense since they want to break and reform alliances, not kill off a tribe - unless they shoot themselves in the foot. At this point the selecters should be thinking strictly numbers. The only person to potentially switch (unless there is a brain fart) is the last selection (guessing Susie) because Kota has the eighth and last pick. The last pick may not be actually transferred at that time anyway. It could go down as it did with Bruce, going to the tribe that loses IC.
I LUV TIJUANA		#107	[-]
Posts: 21717 10/08/08 02:09 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	Kona- I will respond to you hear instead of the GUT thread. I think Crystal is on Kota because of the picture of her and Randy, where the buffomatic was used on him, and most likely her as well. Images all over MESS have been showing that, and there's an image at Spoilers that indicates a bit of yellow that was washed out with the red on the buff-o-matic. Plus, we know GC, Ken and Matty remain on Kota, and if it is a pick em I'm not sure if there would be anymore Fang members on that tribe. Who knows though.
birdlady		#108	[-]
Posts: 5320 10/08/08 02:18 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	I can't make the picks work out in any close to rational way to get Crystal onto the yellow team. We don't know exactly the order they go in, but for Crystal and Randy to go to Kota, Matty would have to pick either Ken or GC over one of them. Would Matty do that? Let's say not GC, no way. However, Matty was far and away the most exuberant toward Ken after his puzzle win last week, and Matty, I believe, thinks that he is not real intelligent himself. Would he choose puzzles over brawn?
crocophile		#109	[-]
Posts: 14091 10/08/08 03:27 PM MESS with me, I'll MESS with you More Recent Posts	Thanks for responding here ILT! The orginal of that shot is Crystal in a dirty red buff and Randy a hin of Randy in his red buff, in fact at that point neither Randy nor Crystal knew their fate. Thatt pic shows me little but the buf-o-matic being used (clumsily) and a dirty red buff
Trixiego		#110	[-]
Posts: 24077 10/08/08 04:48 PM Kiss me, I'm Adminish More Recent Posts	Have not been following along and even if I did when the words "nu" come into play I get a headache SF.Net updated their list (unless you knew this) Updated NuTribe List: NuKota (yellow) Bob Charlie Corrine Dan Marcus Randy Sugar Susie NuFang (red) Matty Crystal GC Ken Ace Jacquie Kelly VG already had Fang as Matty, Ace, Jacquie, Crystal, Ken, GC, Kelly and Kota as Marcus, Dan, Bob, Randy, Charlie, Corrine, Sugar, Susie (I believe an agreement has occurred? Unless there are people in here who are thinking other things still?)
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montanagirl		#111	[-]
Posts: 747 10/08/08 04:54 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	I LUV TIJUANA wrote: Not to be rude Montana and Kona... but Sugar wouldn't need to use the Idol, Kota has 4 members on NuFang, while Fang only has 3. Who Says The Title- Sugar Is there an RC? If so, does the switch happen before the RC? No RC, switch instead. Name your new tribes: KOTA- Susie, Marcus, Charlie, Crystal, Bob, Randy, Dan, Corinne FANG- Kelly, GC, Jacquie, Ace, Matty, Ken, Sugar Who wins the RC? None. Who is exiled? Ace* Does the exiled person choose comfort or clue? Comfort Does the exiled person play in the IC? Yes Who wins the IC? NuKota Is the HII used at TC? No, she wouldn't need to use it unless there were more Fang than Kota Who is booted? G Sizzle (GC) *Edited because I think Ace will be exiled. It makes PERFECT sense. He enjoys the temptation because he knows Sugar has the Idol, meanwhile it's Blonde/Blonde/Blonde vs the Fangs at the newFang camp. I'm unsure as to whether Ace stays on exile and joins Fang before or after Tribal Council. But if the latter happens, it would make sense for why Sugar shows Jacquie the HII. Either way, the blondes should be okay as long as Sugar plays the Idol if Ace is stuck on exile. Bringing it in from the GUT. (We still have time to change our minds, right? Right up until the vote thread gets locked, right?) I don't think Ace will be the exile, as I really think the exile will be the last person picked. Therefore, there will be 7 on 7 competition until this exile comes back. We all know that Ace is annoying, but he is still strong in challenges and I don't think he will be last picked. As per the web clue, someone is bummed by learning their place in the pecking order - we know that Kelly and Susie are at the bottom of the stack, and while Susie may be a bit bummed, I think it will hit Kelly harder. And I think she will be further bummed by being last picked for a tribe as well. Ace will ensure that Sugar gets picked (besides, I think Sugar is seen in that raft - so we know she is NOT last picked). Also - if the tribes come out like I described in my GUT post - the Kotas will be outnumbered on nuFang, hence the HII having to be used. You will have Ace, Sugar, and Jacquie all together - and all of them know about the HII. Unless the other Fangs really want to just drop it to get GC out, they would be targeting one of the Kotas - all the Kotas will have to do is figure out who the target is and let that person use the HII. It's their only hope. And then, when Kelly comes back from exile, the Kotas will be up 4 to 3 on the nuFang tribe. For reference, this is how I think the tribes will come out: nuKota: Marcus, Charlie, Randy, Bob, Corinne, Dan, Susie YELLOW nuFang: Matty, Ace, GC, Ken, Crystal, Sugar, Jacquie RED OK - not sure why my carriage returns are being deleted ugh!
Martrae		#112	[-]
Posts: 3378 10/08/08 04:58 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	I was thinking Jacquie is exiled. Sugar tells her before the challenge that she has the Idol so Jacquie chooses comfort. This is the event that colors the rest of the game (per Probst).
MissRabbit		#113	[-]
Posts: 958 10/08/08 04:58 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	i agree with that mostly. i still think that screencap of the bikini butt sitting in a red innertube is of Sugar and not Jacque, which would put sugar on Nufang (red). This would force Krystal back over to NuKota (yellow). I'm still thinking that the tribes only pick 7 players each, with the last one not chosen going to EI, then joining whatever tribe goes to TC to replace the booted player. The person going to EI would have to be someone not playing at the IC. screencaps limit that down to: Jacque, Kelly, Crystal, Corinne & Suzie for potential EI picks. ETA (again since i can't stinkin' read!): Looks like i'm pretty much agreeing with you this season montanagirl. I've been assuming Krystal would have to be on NuKota, but in your scenario, it would work out like it's been trying to in my head :) Last Edited By: MissRabbit 10/08/08 05:07 PM. Edited 2 times.
Kona		#114	[-]
Posts: 1881 10/08/08 05:05 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	I'm still thinking that looks more like Sugar's . . . um . . . bottom . . . in terms of size and suit configuration . . . or is she wearing a bag for a bottom in that image??? It also looks more like Sugar's top without the hanging tied ends. Please, enlighten me. ETA~ Oooo lotza posts while I was thinking of a polite way to describe the bottom Last Edited By: Kona 10/08/08 05:07 PM. Edited 1 times.
montanagirl		#115	[-]
Posts: 747 10/08/08 05:08 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	Martrae wrote: I was thinking Jacquie is exiled. Sugar tells her before the challenge that she has the Idol so Jacquie chooses comfort. This is the event that colors the rest of the game (per Probst). The girl flapping "I have the idol" scene appears to be back at camp tho. I don't see a reason for Sugar to reveal the idol's existence to anyone UNLESS she is somehow now in danger. I'm guessing she tells Jacquei after they get back to nuFang after the pick'em where they find themselves in the minority.
crocophile		#116	[-]
Posts: 14091 10/08/08 05:34 PM MESS with me, I'll MESS with you More Recent Posts	MT when does she say I have the Idol? I've only heard "ding, ding, ding"...yes of course you can change your mind in the GUT just note that you are, and edit it in your answer. (The way ILT noted it is great) Honestly I'm not sure what keys VG into that being Jacquie, but she's about a good an analyst as there is. Add MayanSun in and I that's two. In that video segment it does appear the woman in the raft knows what she's doing. Blow up shots distort, Jacquie does have largish jockey shorts. Since Sugar has a bathing suit why on Earth would she wear her Betty Rubble memorial bag skirt in a challenge? Last Edited By: crocophile 10/08/08 05:36 PM. Edited 1 times.
Martrae		#117	[-]
Posts: 3378 10/08/08 05:44 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	See I wasn't looking at the bottoms but the back of the top. There's no tie on the girl in the boat and it's much wider than the suits of the other 2 girls. That's Sugar. It is possible that the "I have the idol" scene is both at camp AND just before the challenge. There is no reason besides stupidity for anyone to choose comfort over the clue UNLESS they already know the idol has been found. Since Jacquie doesn't appear in any boats it's reasonable to guess she's the Exilee and knows Sugar has the idol.
birdlady		#118	[-]
Posts: 5320 10/08/08 05:51 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	That dark "bottom" extends well beyond the body of the woman in the raft, especially to the right. I don't think it could be clothing, even really blousy clothing, to go that far out. Could it be the paddle tucked up behind her, while she's hanging on to the dock? Waiting for the challenge to start, or somehow the action is well away from her goal?
ts2		#119	[-]
Posts: 1939 10/08/08 06:01 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	The odd person out ... Kelly ... as the last person might be the one who picks someone to go to exile and takes that person's place in the tribe. Kelly is clearly in the camp with the hammock at some time. When if she is on exile? Just prior to the TC and vote?
Mypoody2		#120	[-]
Posts: 13673 10/08/08 06:09 PM Registered User More Recent Posts	birdlady wrote: That dark "bottom" extends well beyond the body of the woman in the raft, especially to the right. I don't think it could be clothing, even really blousy clothing, to go that far out. Could it be the paddle tucked up behind her, while she's hanging on to the dock? Waiting for the challenge to start, or somehow the action is well away from her goal? It's not exactly form fitting, they made it out of a bag from a reward (or something else). I could easily see it bunching out when she sits down.
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