ELECTION 08: AYN I RAND, (AMA)I RAND SO FAR AWAY!!!

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annie normas butt		#161	[-]
Posts: 4451 (10/02/08 12:48 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AllMenAreIslands wrote: Being pro-choice is about being in favor of individual rights, whether it's to have abortions, or large families, or even babies with special needs. Is it safe to assume that all those who are in favor of individual rights, will bear the burden of their choices as well? If so, then I'm all for allowing people to make their own choices and deal with the consequences. Of course this means.... -No welfare assistance when your individual right to have a large family exceeds your income -No SSI or family assistant programs when your choose to mainstream your special needs child with severe disabilities into the school system. Your child needs assistance? Your private insurance will be billed for that aide who sits next to your child all day. The child who the doctors say will never walk, speak or comprehend anything spoken to them. The school system is not a free babysitting service. -No free or reduced lunch tickets in school. You wanted to exercise your individual right? feed them yourself You can't have it both ways AMAI. People want the liberty of individual rights, but not the financial burden.
Beefcake		#162	[-]
Posts: 1521 (10/02/08 12:48 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AllMenAreIslands wrote: Beefcake wrote: What about other kinds of single-issue voters? For instance, is it okay to vote for a candidate solely because you oppose the war in Iraq and he promises to pull out? Beefcake, I listened carefully to the debate talk on that issue. Barack did say he's in favor of pulling out of Iraq, but it was in order to send more troops to Afghanistan. So, where's the net saving in terms of money being spent warmongering? If you think "leaving Iraq" means the troops actually come home and stay home, think again. So, it depends whether you agree that troops ought to be in Afghanistan. I wasn't expressing my view, I was just trying to think of an example of an issue that might be a single-issue (besides abortion) that might motivate people to vote for a particular candidate. (Locally, a friend of mine proudly proclaims himself a single issue voter -- he'll support any politician that promise to build a new football stadium). With respect to abortion, i think it is problematic because of the underlying religious issues. If you sincerely believe that life begins at conception and that all life is sacred, then I can understand why you would want police action to prevent the killings. Personally, I look at abortion pragmatically: it's a simple medical procedure that is going to happen, regardless of whether it is legal or not. I'd rather abortions be performed by licensed doctors in medical clinics, where everything is above board and can be regulated. And abortion should be left to the decision of the mother, because, IMO she is the least-likely person to want an abortion. The people who think women enter into abortion casually, "(Oooops, it's Tuesday! Time for another abortion!") are nuts. Abortions should be legal, safe and rare.
StatelyWayneManor		#163	[-]
Posts: 8661 (10/02/08 12:48 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I predict she will say the word 'energy" 900 times.
AllMenAreIslands		#164	[-]
Posts: 24474 (10/02/08 12:48 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Utopian makes some good arguments for Palin, Vic. sorry & all.
ohboy		#165	[-]
Posts: 1825 (10/02/08 12:50 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	mccain says "they made the decision." he's the "they." dumbass. mccain's ad on biden's mouth:
StatelyWayneManor		#166	[-]
Posts: 8662 (10/02/08 12:50 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	She came in second as Miss Alaska, too.
Gregoire		#167	[-]
Posts: 29587 (10/02/08 12:50 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Palin does stand a chance. I know you want everybody to lower expectations, but if she can memorize two or three things about Biden's record that aren't so rosy -- or throw some of his gaffes back at him -- she'll be able to balance the playing field. Biden's major disadvantage is that he has to be nice to her (or seem like a bully), and she can be as mean as she wants to him (because she basically debuted as a pitbull).
youfist		#168	[-]
Posts: 908 (10/02/08 12:50 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I just hope that Palin shows some cleavage. Seriously, I am gonna get a buzz and wank one to the first VP of the USA. Ferrarro never provided any inspiration for a wank...
AllMenAreIslands		#169	[-]
Posts: 24475 (10/02/08 12:51 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	annie normas butt wrote: AllMenAreIslands wrote: Being pro-choice is about being in favor of individual rights, whether it's to have abortions, or large families, or even babies with special needs. Is it safe to assume that all those who are in favor of individual rights, will bear the burden of their choices as well? If so, then I'm all for allowing people to make their own choices and deal with the consequences. Of course this means.... -No welfare assistance when your individual right to have a large family exceeds your income -No SSI or family assistant programs when your choose to mainstream your special needs child with severe disabilities into the school system. Your child needs assistance? Your private insurance will be billed for that aid who sits next to your child all day. The child who the doctors say will never walk, speak or comprehend anything spoken to them. The school system is not a free babysitting service. -No free or reduced lunch tickets in school. You wanted to exercise your individual right? feed them yourself You can't have it both ways AMAI. People want the liberty of individual rights, but not the financial burden. I agree with you, Annie. 100%. I don't want it both ways. Abolish the tax system and let people deal for themselves.
Pahrump Mania		#170	[-]
Posts: 1868 (10/02/08 12:51 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Biden is the smartest man in the Senate and he'll prove it tonight.
Veelicious		#171	[-]
Posts: 713 (10/02/08 12:51 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	B DeBrun wrote: I'm sure they knew about the book. Even if they publicly claim otherwise. I agree 100% with this.
aquatic birdboy		#172	[-]
Posts: 5054 (10/02/08 12:54 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Utopian wrote: The question for discussion is who will "master" tonight's debate. The answer is Governor Palin. To paraphrase others, she will win by virtue of the smiling certainty in her tone and the determination in her squint. She will sell her hard-edged political views by serving them with a spoonful of sugar. She will attack Biden without seeming angry by using the humor in her voice. Her delivery will suggest only that she is having fun. And because of her background in televsion and beauty pageants, she will know how to play to the camera. Poor Joe. As much as he will want to rip off the Governor's hockey mom facade and reveal her for the snotty head cheerleader she really is, he will not be able to do so. agreed...they've set expectations so low that as long at she doesn't swear or pull out her hunting rifle and start firing off shots they'll claim she did better then expected...hence a victory.... she should just pretend her microphone doesn't work for the entire debate...they can blame the democrats for rigging it so America can't hear her message...VICTORY!!!!
sadllama		#173	[-]
Posts: 2839 (10/02/08 12:54 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	All those sound bites just make me like Biden even more.
Oowatanite		#174	[-]
Posts: 5926 (10/02/08 12:55 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	buckitex wrote: The people who say they are voting for McCain/Palin purely on the premise that she is the Pro-Life Poster child frighten me. There are so many issues that carry significance on the running of a county, state or city, that I just do not understand being able to be a single issue voter. Call me crazy, but I think it's possible to be pro-life, but still be pro-choice. It's called minding your own damn business... Okay, you are crazy because "pro-choice" should be more accurately stated as "pro-abortion". And you can't be "pro-life" and "pro-abortion". Voting *against* McCain/Palin simply due to Palin's position on abortion is just as bad as voting *for* McCain/Palin simply due to Palin's position on abortion.
blockhose		#175	[-]
Posts: 2443 (10/02/08 12:56 PM) Treadmill martyr More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, but... AMAI - if nobody pays taxes, what's your take on what will happen to the US gov't? Defense? Research? Gov't grants? Social Security? Medicare? Veteran support programs? Science programs? I guess I'll start with those.
ZippyDoDa		#176	[-]
Posts: 7707 (10/02/08 12:56 PM) Such a naughty monkey More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I feel sorry for the winner of this election, because Bush is handing them a fucked up mess. IMO the debates are just for show, they mean nothing. The debaters are all talking theory, it is not like they will actually put into effect anything they talk about! Ok maybe one thing, but that is if we are lucky. No matter what happens the mess can not be cleaned up in 4 years and maybe not 40 years. If they were smart they would walk away and tell Bush to fix the mess he got us into. Just sayin. Not like that is possible, but one can dream.
Beefcake		#177	[-]
Posts: 1522 (10/02/08 12:57 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ohboy wrote: wtf?! what a fucking whiner! seriously, why can't the gop learn how to google and research they're decisions before they make them? i'm all for them being dumbasses, but come on... McCain laments selection of Ifill By MIKE ALLEN \| 10/2/08 9:05 AM EDT Hours ahead of the vice presidential debate, Sen John McCain (R-Ariz.) criticized the selection of PBS's Gwen Ifill as moderator because she is writing a book called "The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama." "Frankly, I wish they had picked a moderator that isn't writing a book favorable to Barack Obama - let's face it," McCain said on "Fox & Friends." "But I have to have confidence that Gwen Ifill will handle this as the professional journalist that she is. ... "Life isn't fair, as I mentioned earlier in the program." Ifill is moderator and managing editor of "Washington Week" and senior correspondent of "The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer." She is viewed as one of Washington's fairest journalists. The propriety of her selection as moderator for tonight's debate between Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) and Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.) was questioned by conservatives after the Drudge Report drew attention to her book, to be published in January. McCain took a different tack the day before, telling Fox News in another interview: "I think that Gwen Ifill is a professional, and I think that she will do a totally objective job because she is a highly respected professional. Does this help that if she has written a book that is favorable to Senator Obama? Probably not, but I have confidence that Gwen Ifill will do a professional job. And I have that confidence." ____________ and it looks like my hope that gwen will be doped up on painkillers for the debate just might happen: These are the kind of articles that really irritate me. First, he quotes McCain as saying: "Frankly, I wish they had picked a moderator that isn't writing a book favorable to Barack Obama - let's face it," McCain said on "Fox & Friends." "But I have to have confidence that Gwen Ifill will handle this as the professional journalist that she is. ... " Then we find out that McCain is 'flip-flopping" because "McCain took a different tack the day before" and we get the second quote: "I think that Gwen Ifill is a professional, and I think that she will do a totally objective job because she is a highly respected professional. Does this help that if she has written a book that is favorable to Senator Obama? Probably not, but I have confidence that Gwen Ifill will do a professional job. And I have that confidence." HOW THE FUCK IS THAT A "DIFFERENT TACK"??? The second quote is virtually identical to the first! Why are these people allowed to call themselves reporters????
aquatic birdboy		#178	[-]
Posts: 5055 (10/02/08 12:58 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oowatanite wrote: Okay, you are crazy because "pro-choice" should be more accurately stated as "pro-abortion". And you can't be "pro-life" and "pro-abortion". I assume you're kidding....of course you can...not everyone who is pro-choice would def. have an abortion...like someone on thelast page said, pro-choice simply means letting each person decide for themselves...
Veelicious		#179	[-]
Posts: 714 (10/02/08 12:59 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Biden should constantly ask her to explain or expound on what she says.
blockhose		#180	[-]
Posts: 2444 (10/02/08 1:00 PM) Treadmill martyr More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Beefcake wrote: HOW THE FUCK IS THAT A "DIFFERENT TACK"??? The second quote is virtually identical to the first! Why are these people allowed to call themselves reporters???? Because most reporters are imbeciles.

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ELECTION 08: AYN I RAND, (AMA)I RAND SO FAR AWAY!!!