ELECTION 08: AYN I RAND, (AMA)I RAND SO FAR AWAY!!!

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Veelicious		#1601	[-]
Posts: 742 (10/03/08 12:23 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	My bad - meant to edit and quoted.
superguppie		#1602	[-]
Posts: 24360 (10/03/08 12:24 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Okay - she was just not answering the question at all and she was saying that the use of nucleur weapons would be to devastating to the planet and therefore the weaponry shouldn't be in the hands of dangerous people? Right? Yes. She's articulate like that.
Us Kids Know		#1603	[-]
Posts: 8339 (10/03/08 12:25 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	God bless the internets:
Veelicious		#1604	[-]
Posts: 743 (10/03/08 12:27 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	When I heard it last night I thought she was answering the question and she was saying that nucleur weapons would be the last resort when there were too many people around. It was a WTF moment! Glad I cleared that up - cuz I thought she was doing a 180 on her abortion stance for a minute.
ObservingEgo	MSNBC: WHO WON THE DEBATE???	#1605	[-]
Posts: 6693 (10/03/08 12:27 PM) Hi, you two!!! : ) : ) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	(200,000+ respondents...) Biden: 75.3% Palin: 21.2% Tie: 3.4% ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ But, I just want to take a brush to her teased hair and scrub that face.
AllMenAreIslands		#1606	[-]
Posts: 24547 (10/03/08 12:29 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Love the SP Flow Chart.
Us Kids Know		#1607	[-]
Posts: 8341 (10/03/08 12:38 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh, and just because it was by far the best moment of the night, you can also lol at the Achilles heel answer word-for-word. IFILL: Let's talk conventional wisdom for a moment. The conventional wisdom, Gov. Palin with you, is that your Achilles heel is that you lack experience. Your conventional wisdom against you is that your Achilles heel is that you lack discipline, Sen. Biden. What id it really for you, Gov. Palin? What is it really for you, Sen. Biden? Start with you, governor. PALIN: My experience as an executive will be put to good use as a mayor and business owner and oil and gas regulator and then as governor of a huge state, a huge energy producing state that is accounting for much progress towards getting our nation energy independence and that's extremely important. But it wasn't just that experience tapped into, it was my connection to the heartland of America. Being a mom, one very concerned about a son in the war, about a special needs child, about kids heading off to college, how are we going to pay those tuition bills? About times and Todd and our marriage in our past where we didn't have health insurance and we know what other Americans are going through as they sit around the kitchen table and try to figure out how are they going to pay out-of-pocket for health care? We've been there also so that connection was important. But even more important is that world view that I share with John McCain. That world view that says that America is a nation of exceptionalism. And we are to be that shining city on a hill, as President Reagan so beautifully said, that we are a beacon of hope and that we are unapologetic here. We are not perfect as a nation. But together, we represent a perfect ideal. And that is democracy and tolerance and freedom and equal rights. Those things that we stand for that can be put to good use as a force for good in this world. John McCain and I share that. You combine all that with being a team with the only track record of making a really, a difference in where we've been and reforming, that's a good team, it's a good ticket. Personally, I'm printing, framing, and hanging it all over my room.
Mutan		#1608	[-]
Posts: 2755 (10/03/08 12:43 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Stately Wayne- not only did they not buy us dinner, they don't even have the courtesy to give us a reach around.
PennyMontana		#1609	[-]
Posts: 2885 (10/03/08 12:43 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Us Kids Know wrote: Oh, and just because it was by far the best moment of the night, you can also lol at the Achilles heel answer word-for-word. IFILL: Let's talk conventional wisdom for a moment. The conventional wisdom, Gov. Palin with you, is that your Achilles heel is that you lack experience. Your conventional wisdom against you is that your Achilles heel is that you lack discipline, Sen. Biden. What id it really for you, Gov. Palin? What is it really for you, Sen. Biden? Start with you, governor. PALIN: My experience as an executive will be put to good use as a mayor and business owner and oil and gas regulator and then as governor of a huge state, a huge energy producing state that is accounting for much progress towards getting our nation energy independence and that's extremely important. But it wasn't just that experience tapped into, it was my connection to the heartland of America. Being a mom, one very concerned about a son in the war, about a special needs child, about kids heading off to college, how are we going to pay those tuition bills? About times and Todd and our marriage in our past where we didn't have health insurance and we know what other Americans are going through as they sit around the kitchen table and try to figure out how are they going to pay out-of-pocket for health care? We've been there also so that connection was important. But even more important is that world view that I share with John McCain. That world view that says that America is a nation of exceptionalism. And we are to be that shining city on a hill, as President Reagan so beautifully said, that we are a beacon of hope and that we are unapologetic here. We are not perfect as a nation. But together, we represent a perfect ideal. And that is democracy and tolerance and freedom and equal rights. Those things that we stand for that can be put to good use as a force for good in this world. John McCain and I share that. You combine all that with being a team with the only track record of making a really, a difference in where we've been and reforming, that's a good team, it's a good ticket. Personally, I'm printing, framing, and hanging it all over my room. That reminds me of this... I personally believe that US Americans are unable to do so, because, is that some people out there, in our nation, don't have maps, and I believe that our education, such as South Africa, and the Iraq, everywhere like, such as, and I believe that they should, our education over here, in the US should help the US, or um should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future, for our children."
superguppie		#1610	[-]
Posts: 24361 (10/03/08 12:43 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	She did mumble something at the beginning of the response though, UKK, about having once "caved" on an issue or something.
Brother Roger		#1611	[-]
Posts: 12 (10/03/08 12:44 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm wondering if debates are even subjective enough to make any real decisions about at the end of the day. I was watching The Great Debaters the other night, and it was amazing how stark the differences were. They were given points on how well they stated their cases and at the end someone clearly won. No more guesswork or BS polls. I would love to see this happen, then it's out of the hands of the spin machine and we have a clear winner every time. Of course the opposition could still find reasons their candidate did well, and make fun of the other but let the record show the winnnnnnah! The debates have both been really close, and I haven't seen anything too impressive from anyone but when you see a Sarah Palin go off of full memorization and note cards and a little wink and still get the win from several newspapers it calls into question the whole debate process IMO.If you or I were to go to debate camp, after 20 hours of debate practice, I have a feeling most of us could at least get 30% of people agreeing with us that you won. That flow chart above is the secret to "holding your own" in any debate these days I guess. As long as you "hold your own" with the magical Sarah Palin flowchart you too can be VP of the United States and probably President.
Veelicious		#1612	[-]
Posts: 744 (10/03/08 12:57 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Us Kids Know wrote: Oh, and just because it was by far the best moment of the night, you can also lol at the Achilles heel answer word-for-word. IFILL: Let's talk conventional wisdom for a moment. The conventional wisdom, Gov. Palin with you, is that your Achilles heel is that you lack experience. Your conventional wisdom against you is that your Achilles heel is that you lack discipline, Sen. Biden. What id it really for you, Gov. Palin? What is it really for you, Sen. Biden? Start with you, governor. PALIN: My experience as an executive will be put to good use as a mayor and business owner and oil and gas regulator and then as governor of a huge state, a huge energy producing state that is accounting for much progress towards getting our nation energy independence and that's extremely important. But it wasn't just that experience tapped into, it was my connection to the heartland of America. Being a mom, one very concerned about a son in the war, about a special needs child, about kids heading off to college, how are we going to pay those tuition bills? About times and Todd and our marriage in our past where we didn't have health insurance and we know what other Americans are going through as they sit around the kitchen table and try to figure out how are they going to pay out-of-pocket for health care? We've been there also so that connection was important. But even more important is that world view that I share with John McCain. That world view that says that America is a nation of exceptionalism. And we are to be that shining city on a hill, as President Reagan so beautifully said, that we are a beacon of hope and that we are unapologetic here. We are not perfect as a nation. But together, we represent a perfect ideal. And that is democracy and tolerance and freedom and equal rights. Those things that we stand for that can be put to good use as a force for good in this world. John McCain and I share that. You combine all that with being a team with the only track record of making a really, a difference in where we've been and reforming, that's a good team, it's a good ticket. Personally, I'm printing, framing, and hanging it all over my room. What does the bolded sentence mean and what do you think she thought the question was? Maybe she didn't know what the phrase achilles heal meant?
SurvivorArctic		#1613	[-]
Posts: 11443 (10/03/08 12:58 PM) Not a team player More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	'licious, that is just one of many things she appeared to 'not get' last night.
Veelicious		#1614	[-]
Posts: 745 (10/03/08 12:59 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	superguppie wrote: She did mumble something at the beginning of the response though, UKK, about having once "caved" on an issue or something. That was a different question. They were both asked when they had to compromise or adjust their policy. Biden's comment was about an ideological judiciary I believe.
Veelicious		#1615	[-]
Posts: 746 (10/03/08 1:00 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SurvivorArctic wrote: 'licious, that is just one of many things she appeared to 'not get' last night. True, but we can only make fun of them one at a time though. also. ;)
StatelyWayneManor		#1616	[-]
Posts: 8685 (10/03/08 1:10 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	According to the Palin flow chart; the Achilles Heel question falls under the catergory of "give your canned response even if it ignores the question." That would be the second General she got wrong last night...
MunchkinsByProxy		#1617	[-]
Posts: 1030 (10/03/08 1:14 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	UKK. Thanks for the transcript. I think that just cements my loathing of her. I could cut her some slack if she didn't know that I'mADinnerJacket is in charge or Iran, or the intracacies of the bailout (what really is a credit default swap?), but for f's sake she doesn't even know what an Achilles Heel is? Cuz she sure didn't answer the question. She rambled a talking point. So either she refuses to answer the question, doesn't know what Achilles Heel means and was too stupid to seek clarification on the question, or she's simplyl a ditzy bimbo, err, hockey mom married to Joe Six-pack. God forbid we actually have a crisis and have her in charge.
BackBayBerries		#1618	[-]
Posts: 212 (10/03/08 1:17 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	And let's not forget: Sarah knows she doesn't have what it takes to be vice president. But yet, she didn't "blink" when asked by McCain. THAT should tell you something about HER. Well, I agree that Sarah Palin is a train wreck and not even qualified for the position she currently holds, let alone VP/possible POTUS, but we have no idea how she reacted when approached by McCain. She may have been dragged kicking and screaming to the table, who knows?
lilnubber		#1619	[-]
Posts: 10119 (10/03/08 1:23 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Biden choking up last night may have had to do with the fact that his son, Beau, is deploying for Iraq today.
Veelicious		#1620	[-]
Posts: 747 (10/03/08 1:23 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	According to her - she didn't blink. gosh darnit. also.

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ELECTION 08: AYN I RAND, (AMA)I RAND SO FAR AWAY!!!