ELECTION 08: AYN I RAND, (AMA)I RAND SO FAR AWAY!!!

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factoryhurl		#1501	[-]
Posts: 3848 (10/03/08 9:08 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	amt <3
cg41386		#1502	[-]
Posts: 14109 (10/03/08 9:08 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oowatanite wrote: My point is that "pro-choice" is a misleading term endorsed by the media. What's wrong with the terms "pro-abortion" and "anti-abortion" ? That's exactly what the two viewpoints are. It's not misleading at all. It perfectly describes the way many feel about the issue- pro-choice. Pro-abortion, OTOH, is very misleading.
Vicconius		#1503	[-]
Posts: 13727 (10/03/08 9:09 AM) I want "this won't end well" too. More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	A "non-news site" poll on the debate from AOHELL. Poll Results Who won the debate? Sarah Palin 47% 210,186 Joe Biden 45% 202,361 It was a draw 8% 37,691 Note on Poll Results Total Votes: 450,238
B DeBrun		#1504	[-]
Posts: 18094 (10/03/08 9:12 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I guess Vicc was trying to suggest that Palin did a nice job copying Obama's debate strategy of maintaining composure and giving non direct non answers.
StatelyWayneManor		#1505	[-]
Posts: 8675 (10/03/08 9:15 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Waiting for her Chris Matthews interview to discuss her debate victory. I'm also waiting for Giselle to dump Tom Brady & boink me.
Ann Margret Thatcher		#1506	[-]
Posts: 6359 (10/03/08 9:17 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I suppose then all Obama needs to do is to perfect his wink.
PassionatePiscesMan		#1507	[-]
Posts: 6175 (10/03/08 9:19 AM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Obama should call Palin sweetie
Vicconius		#1508	[-]
Posts: 13728 (10/03/08 9:20 AM) I want "this won't end well" too. More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Frank Luntz did a polling session with undecideds mixed evenly with Kerry voters and Bush voters from 2004. Yes, it's on FNC, but it's very interesting and gives a glimpse into what "main street" thinks about the debate. �
MunchkinsByProxy		#1509	[-]
Posts: 1029 (10/03/08 9:21 AM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Vicconius wrote: A "non-news site" poll on the debate from AOHELL. Poll Results Who won the debate? Sarah Palin 47% 210,186 Joe Biden 45% 202,361 It was a draw 8% 37,691 Note on Poll Results Total Votes: 450,238 I guess AOHELL has a high percentage of rednecks....... Hmmm, is that how they decided to call Republican states red states?
StatelyWayneManor		#1510	[-]
Posts: 8676 (10/03/08 9:23 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Y'know...I don't think I want Obama winking at me. I heard he is busy waving the white flag of surrender.
Vicconius		#1511	[-]
Posts: 13729 (10/03/08 9:24 AM) I want "this won't end well" too. More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's an online poll, like the CNN/MSNBC/FNC polls.
buckitex		#1512	[-]
Posts: 38 (10/03/08 9:25 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I can't believe the issue of McCain planning to tax the employer contribution of your Health Care is not getting more attention. Does no one realize how much extra income you will be claiming? Just an example: My husband and I pay a monthly pre-tax contribution of about $300 for Family coverage. The employer portion of this coverage is around $1200 per month. Under this "tax plan" we would have to claim over $14,000 in income above our wages. Scary stuff.
AllMenAreIslands		#1513	[-]
Posts: 24538 (10/03/08 9:27 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	meatball77 wrote: Cleofuss wrote: So have any of the media mentioned Biden's momentary choke-up when he was talking about the time when he worried that his son might not make it? I actually felt for him. http://www.huffingtonpost...leah-mcelrath-renna/joes-#$++-the-political_b_131460.html Joe Biden did more for the equality of the sexes with his honest display of paternal emotion during the vice presidential debate than Sarah Palin's presence on the executive ticket has or will ever do. Biden visibly teared up when he rebutted the idea that "just because I am a man" he didn't understand what it was like to wonder whether or not a child would "make it" in recovering from a life-threatening medical situation. At the time, he was likely recalling the tragic automobile accident that killed his wife and daughter and severely injured his two sons. It was an authentic, moving and powerful moment. It was, in fact, the strongest expression of real paternal love we have seen from a public official in recent memory and maybe ever. By bringing that reality to a national political stage, Biden demonstrated that -- for all of us, not just feminists -- the personal is political*, that women alone do not have the sole responsibility for caring about the future of our children and that the concern of fathers is a largely untapped pool of political energy. In his acceptance speech, Barack Obama paved the way for this when he talked about fighting for equal pay for equal work because he wants "my daughters to have the same opportunities as your sons" -- and said this while looking with protective ferocity straight into the camera. He has continued this message on the campaign trail with great impact. Political equality for women will not come from the minimization or idealization of motherhood -- but rather from recognizing fatherhood as a significant factor in our culture and politics. Thank you, Joe, for bringing us to the next level and keeping it real. Excellent post, meatball. It was subtle, maybe, but it's definitely an example of "showing" not just "telling."
StatelyWayneManor		#1514	[-]
Posts: 8677 (10/03/08 9:28 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	He did say the economy wasn't his strong suit. In his defense...
AllMenAreIslands		#1515	[-]
Posts: 24539 (10/03/08 9:29 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	rugslug wrote: are you sure? because Mr. Foreign Policy Expert didn't have a clue as to what was going on in Lebanon. He made up some bizarre story about how we let Hezbollah into the country over his objections. Ummm Joe? Hezbollah has been in Lebanon since the 1980s! Hardly a fair example. The Lebanese don't know what's going on in Lebanon either.
StatelyWayneManor		#1516	[-]
Posts: 8679 (10/03/08 9:32 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Mmm, lesbanese. I like it when they wear cheerleader uniforms.
meatball77		#1517	[-]
Posts: 9176 (10/03/08 9:33 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AllMenAreIslands wrote: meatball77 wrote: Cleofuss wrote: So have any of the media mentioned Biden's momentary choke-up when he was talking about the time when he worried that his son might not make it? I actually felt for him. http://www.huffingtonpost...leah-mcelrath-renna/joes-#$++-the-political_b_131460.html Joe Biden did more for the equality of the sexes with his honest display of paternal emotion during the vice presidential debate than Sarah Palin's presence on the executive ticket has or will ever do. Biden visibly teared up when he rebutted the idea that "just because I am a man" he didn't understand what it was like to wonder whether or not a child would "make it" in recovering from a life-threatening medical situation. At the time, he was likely recalling the tragic automobile accident that killed his wife and daughter and severely injured his two sons. It was an authentic, moving and powerful moment. It was, in fact, the strongest expression of real paternal love we have seen from a public official in recent memory and maybe ever. By bringing that reality to a national political stage, Biden demonstrated that -- for all of us, not just feminists -- the personal is political*, that women alone do not have the sole responsibility for caring about the future of our children and that the concern of fathers is a largely untapped pool of political energy. In his acceptance speech, Barack Obama paved the way for this when he talked about fighting for equal pay for equal work because he wants "my daughters to have the same opportunities as your sons" -- and said this while looking with protective ferocity straight into the camera. He has continued this message on the campaign trail with great impact. Political equality for women will not come from the minimization or idealization of motherhood -- but rather from recognizing fatherhood as a significant factor in our culture and politics. Thank you, Joe, for bringing us to the next level and keeping it real. Excellent post, meatball. It was subtle, maybe, but it's definitely an example of "showing" not just "telling." I didn't write that. It's an article from the huff. Good one though
PassionatePiscesMan		#1518	[-]
Posts: 6180 (10/03/08 9:33 AM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh I got so choked up too. Boo hoo.
rugslug		#1519	[-]
Posts: 7245 (10/03/08 9:35 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	How about some more Biden gaffes? "Pakistan already has nuclear weapons. Pakistan already has deployed nuclear weapons. Pakistan's weapons can already hit Israel and the Mediterranean." This site indicates that the top range of Pakistani missile that can carry a nuclear warhead is 1000 miles. The distance between Israel and Pakistan is 2,085 miles, or 3355 kilometers.
AllMenAreIslands		#1520	[-]
Posts: 24540 (10/03/08 9:38 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cg41386 wrote: Oowatanite wrote: My point is that "pro-choice" is a misleading term endorsed by the media. What's wrong with the terms "pro-abortion" and "anti-abortion" ? That's exactly what the two viewpoints are. It's not misleading at all. It perfectly describes the way many feel about the issue- pro-choice. Pro-abortion, OTOH, is very misleading. Oo, why are you still arguing this point and why won't you accept the "choice" is the ideal name for the position of those who value freedom and separation of church & state? It is not a decree - you MUST get an abortion unless you can satisfy such & such criteria. That's how they do things in China. It is also not a push towards outlawing abortion, or declaring that only such & such criteria will be acceptable reasons for having an abortion, which is what the anti-abortionists want to see happen. It is saying - CHOICE. The options are all there, it's up to the individual to decide what's best for herself taking into account all the circumstances of her life.

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ELECTION 08: AYN I RAND, (AMA)I RAND SO FAR AWAY!!!