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Episode 14 -- Vid caps, mpegs and useful links

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justlikeprimerib	Colby with Necklace.	#21	[-]
Posts: 183 04/27/01 01:48 PM More Recent Posts	I see it, too. The pics are blurry so I guess it could be actors in a setup shot. But it follows the evidence. Colby rules at challenges. Tina and Keith are the worst. That is the simple answer and possibly the best one.
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kittyphx	Re: Next Weeks Preview	#22	[-]
Posts: 1527 04/27/01 02:30 PM More Recent Posts	Long time lurker, first time poster. In watching MvS's mpeg I think there may be clues as to who's wearing the immunity necklace in the head shots at Tribal Council as well as when they walk into the TC area. At the 12 sec mark there are 4 people shown before the 13 sec mark is reached. Tina, Keith, Lis in the jury and Colby. Nothing below Tina's neck is shown. There's definitely something around Keith's neck. I looks to me like the IN with a white area coming from around the back of his neck, then a darker band, a tiny orange colored area and then it looks like two strands branching below that. This is on the right side of the vid, which is the left side of his face. The right side of his face is in shadow but I could be seeing a similar banding on that side of his neck. This could be a bandana of some sort. It does not look like a collar. Colby also has something showing on the left side of his neck (his right side is blocked by his hand scratching his beard). This does not look like a necklace. It could be a collar or a backpack strap, although it's too close to his neck for that to be likely. It would help if we could figure out what that is below his hat on the left side of his face below and to the right (of the pic) of his left ear. His left hand? Part of a backpack? Does the banding I see belong to this object? I think the IN is around Keith's neck. Thoughts?
Beef Jerky	miss-filing of posts	#23	[-]
Posts: 382 04/27/01 03:28 PM More Recent Posts	The vid cap thread should only be about posting vid caps and the person with the first post should keep an updated list at the front of the post. The idea is to keep the vid caps in one place. Analysis of what they show should be put in one of the other threads. If something doesn't belong it should be re-posted. It is crucial that we be able to follow the debate.
bluegun	Vidcaps...	#24	[-]
Posts: 93 04/27/01 08:14 PM More Recent Posts	Bungler - can you capture vidcaps from the preview after "top secret" segment? And, a capture of "cutouts" before they all fill in, and after they have all filled in. Thanks. I taped last nights episode preview with best quality VHS tape and have watched frame by frame with super slo-mo on the 4-head VCR. If you can, I invite you to do same... I have a zillion thoughts but I condense them here... Is MB screwing with us??? The more experience I get, the more I learn that he is a crafty SOB (just like Walter - the trout in "On Golden Pond") (1) Colby necklace vidcap is sham. This was put in as a symbolic reference to Tina and Keith fighting the mighty warrior for immunity. It is irrelevant who is next to Colby in the vidcap. The only relevance is that it is a man and a woman - for the symbolism. Sure, Colby could win immunity. Using this vidcap as a reasoning for this is nonsense. (2) The stills after "top secret" in preview are compelling. Pausing each frame in super slo-mo, I see a morphing from man to woman to man. I also see devil's horns, and a figure with business dress (upper left hand corner) offering money for the morphed figure as they walk by. At first I thought I was completely nuts, but watched it over and over and reached some conclusion as my initial thought. To me, the symbolism portrayed is that Tina wins immunity and is torn between the money and Colby. Devil's horns I know shocks people, but it fits the story arcs MB has given us. Do you sacrifice your son in pursuit of the $$$??? Of course Tina chooses the $$$ (we at MESS know she is a smart cookie - but America will hate it) and takes Keith into the F2. The preview clearly shows the money out in front of the morphed figure. The female morph looks down at it, and then morph to male figure walking away - to me that is highly significant. "Walk away with the dough" symbolism. The preview is clear that these figures represent Tina and Keith. You think I'm crazy, watch the preview frame by frame on your VCR. Havent seen MvS video, but doubt that the slowest speed in real player would pick up these images. If they can, WooHoo!. (3) Then we have these cutouts. You could write a novel on S2 symbolism here, but let's focus on how it relates to the end game. First, MB the evil one is the 16th survivor in the still (next to Lizzy), and Jeff is missing. Jeff was probably standing next to Kimmi on left. Amber's cutout has a blatant Cingular logo ("self-expression") before she appears. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING symbolically is Jerri is in between Tina and Keith. What the hell is that white circle cutout next to Jerri. HMMMM.... Tina wins IC, takes Keith into F2 Final TC is this --- Nick - Tina (no brainer - why he's a cutout in the still - bland character in the movie) Alicia - Tina (woman's lib - baby, you go girl - Alicia should be a spice girl) Rodg - Keith (good ole boy - we fished together) Colby - Keith (he may be a bozo, but my Survivor Mom booted me) Liz - Tina (my outback mommy) 3-2 Tina Amber - Keith ("self-expression" - or could she be listening to someone? ) 3-3 Jerri - Keith (yep we squabbled about rice, but Tina you are a spider and my boobs are real) 4-3 Keith wins the dough!!! ---- Comedic ending, yes. But seriously, I think Keith pulls it out 4-3. Watch the stills if you can in slo-mo. There are very telling and they really do fit the story arcs. Of course there is always the possibility that MB is screwing with us.
MvS	Re: Vidcaps...	#25	[-]
Posts: 101 04/27/01 08:18 PM More Recent Posts	Real player lol, don't think so There is a huge difference in quality with MPG.
Bungler	Re: Vidcaps...	#26	[-]
Posts: 1436 04/27/01 09:05 PM MESS Moderator More Recent Posts	Okay, first batch of caps are up. bungler.xoasis.com/caps1.html Things to be aware of. The first 4 headshots, plus the first jury photo are in Ep 14's preview, but are definitely from Ep 13's Tribal Council. I put them up because they were in the preview, but thought I'd make that completely clear. They ABSOLUTELY ARE NOT from Ep 14, the final episode. Cap #6 is one of the blurry shots of people entering TC and it looked like Alicia to me on my TV screen, but when I opened the cap to lighten it up, it looked possibly like Amber. Doesn't matter who it is, really. It was the only clear figure I was able to capture from these blurry scenes. Caps #7-8 are obviously the jury coming to TC. I count nine in the picture, and Colby is obviously there on the right, so I don't have any idea if this scene has any significance. Cap #9-10 are the same shot, but 9 is a zoomed in look at the Final 3 approaching TC. Anybody see a necklace? Maybe Tina in the back. Doesn't look like Colby or Keith are wearing anything but regular shirts. Caps #11-14 are a sequence of shots that I included specifically because they show how the torch blur makes it look like Colby has something around his neck. Just in case anybody saw that in the previews and thought it was a necklace. It isn't. It's a torch blur. Cap #15 is another close-up. Can anybody see a necklace? -------- MvS -- just saw your message a few minutes ago and e-mailed you. I'll await further instructions on moving my caps to your place. For now, the xoasis page seems to be okay. bluegun -- Sorry I didn't cap the things you requested. I will do that tomorrow morning. It's been a long week and I need some sleep. Sorry to put you on hold. I'll definitely cap your requests and have 'em up by Saturday afternoon though.
mrsniceguy(d1)	Re: Vidcaps...	#27	[-]
Posts: 6 04/27/01 09:11 PM More Recent Posts	Take picture 13 and thick edge...the necklace could be a torch.
stlousanta	Re: Vidcaps...	#28	[-]
Posts: 527 04/27/01 09:21 PM More Recent Posts	Tnanks, bungler. That made the whole controversy about Colby and the "necklace" quite clear. It is definitely not the IN on Colby. Await with great interest the other vid-caps. Thanks again.
RedPh	Look at colby	#29	[-]
Posts: 162 04/28/01 01:36 PM More Recent Posts	look at his dark shirt in bunglers 9th vidcap. Do you see the color difference? Is this the Necklace?
Bungler	bluegun's request	#30	[-]
Posts: 1436 04/28/01 03:13 PM MESS Moderator More Recent Posts	Filling bluegun's request... bungler.xoasis.com/caps2.html In cap #17, it does kinda look like a face just to right of the center circular glow. This is a shape that continues to move across the screen and is what I initially thought was Alicia, then maybe Amber. I'll let you guys decide what you see. Also capped the "cutout" scenes and it's definitely Jeff on the far left (not MB). Amber's "cingular" shape is just the space between her arm and her body, as far as I can tell. Hope this helps. I think this is all we're going to get too. Wonder if they'll give us anything on Thursday's Early Show, since there's no RC.
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fplo	Bungler you are the best!	#31	[-]
Posts: 131 04/28/01 03:24 PM More Recent Posts	Thanks Bungler #18 and #19 look like Jerri (hair piled on top of head) and Amber (behind her)
itravel	Question	#32	[-]
Posts: 61 04/28/01 06:18 PM More Recent Posts	On Bungler's vidcaps 7 & 8. Have we ever seen the jury carring torches into TC? Could this be a previous TC?
dakicker	Re: Question	#33	[-]
Posts: 154 04/28/01 08:05 PM More Recent Posts	i got this from aja's site. there appears to be the final three holding their torches (maybe walking to TC). if someone can sharpen this we may be able to see who wins the ic.
dakicker	another one	#34	[-]
Posts: 154 04/28/01 08:22 PM More Recent Posts	here is another pic of the three torches you can definitely see colby with his hat, there is no evidence of an immunity necklace. you can see tina in white, she does not have the immunity necklace. i cant make out keith in this pic, but i think he wins the ic.
tag	Re: another one	#35	[-]
Posts: 471 04/28/01 09:51 PM More Recent Posts	If that is Tina in the white shirt, then this must not be the same TC. Wasn't she wearing Mitchell's left behind burgandy (?) shirt in her solo pic of TC. Perhaps, this is final 2 being walked in by the jury? There wouldn't be an immunity necklace then, would there?
Unregistered(d)	Re: another one	#36	[-]
Posts: 0 04/28/01 11:34 PM More Recent Posts	Note: the "cutouts" are: Kimmi Rodger Deb Amber Maralyn Nick KRDAMN
wackadoodle1	Re: Episode 14 -- Vid caps, mpegs and useful links	#37	[-]
Posts: 132 04/29/01 12:00 AM More Recent Posts	Please remember I am new to this! In the vidcap of the "supposed" jury coming in...the one where Colby is obviously on our right...doesn't he seem MUCH taller than the rest? I've looked at as many stills as I could find and even considering perspective (ie, Colby is in front and would look taller than usual), it still seems like he's too tall. Rodger & Nick were tall as well. No one else seems to come close in that vidcap. He's as tall as Mitchell! I DO think Colby's gone this week, but this just surprised me. Stephie
sunsawed	Keith #3?	#38	[-]
Posts: 8731 04/29/01 03:26 AM MESS SPECtrometer Emeritus More Recent Posts	Is there is a shot after "TOP SECRET" of Keith walking by with his torch. (You can tell. Black sleeveless t-shirt.) Does this mean Keith wins? (no) That he wins immunity? Or he is booted? Can you check to see the last time Keith wore the T-Shirt to tribal Council? He's walking in a relative close up to the camera to stage right. The TC seating is to the left of the entrance. COULD THIS BE KEITH'S EXIT FROM THE GAME???? Geez. After Colby ejected both Rodger and Liz choosing "strategy over philanthropy," it makes no sense whatsoever for him not to choose Keith and the easy win if he wins the final IC. So if Keith is #3 that means Tina wins and decides to take "the best person" to the final vote, an amazingly generous geture considering she could easily win over Keith. In case you're looking for clothing clues, here's a link to Elipsiiis's's's clothing cheat sheet. www.ellipsiiis.com/survivor/attire.shtml
Aone	Hmmm, I wonder...	#39	[-]
Posts: 129 04/29/01 05:12 PM More Recent Posts	In caps 7 and 8, these are clearly pics of the jury coming in. Has anyone else noticed the REALLY TALL person the right in the hat? Could it be Mitchell? Could they bring everyone back for input, although they won't actually get to vote? I wonder this because I saw an interview with Mad Dog in which she states very cryptically that " you haven't seen the last of me yet." Here is the quote from the article/interview with Knoxville news after she was voted out: "In an uncharacteristically coy moment, Hershey says viewers have not seen the last of her. She would not clarify whether she is returning for more "Survivor" appearances or if it's post-"Survivor" work. Either way, "I don't think you've seen the last of me," she says." This would so make sense given the number of people walking in. Now that would be Top Secret and give the F3 the surprise of their life. Any thoughts out there?
stlousanta	Re: Hmmm, I wonder...	#40	[-]
Posts: 527 04/29/01 05:40 PM More Recent Posts	Maybe this is the "lockbox" votes revealed and takes place with all 16 present for the F2 and not F3?
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