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Episode 14 -- Story arcs and writer's corner

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Unregistered(d)	Re: Great Thoughts	#41	[-]
Posts: 0 04/30/01 06:45 AM More Recent Posts	I am confused about Rodger's statement that he and Keith travelled Australia. I actually cant figure out how it was possible. I know for a fact that the SIII application stated that you need 7 weeks off from work, and i believe it was the same for SII. The show lasts 42 days (6 weeks), leaving only 7 possible days. Well, you need to use 2 days for travel. Then, we know that they went through a 3-day mini-survivor boot camp training. That only leaves 2 days left. I believe their was a post-show wrap up party, which only leaves 1-2 days left for any possibility of them travelling together (depending if Keith does or does not make F2). I would think that there would need to be at least some sort of recupperation period (1-2 days). Im very curious on this, as I really like the fact that Burnett wouldnt want members of the jury hanging out with the F2. Does anybody know exactly how long the Survivors were gone?
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ssstefffii	Re: Great Thoughts	#42	[-]
Posts: 719 04/30/01 07:56 AM MESS member More Recent Posts	I heard somewhere that the ones who went travelling went for about ten days. I understand it was voluntary; people could choose to go home instead. If that information is reliable, the travel time afterwards would presumably be in addition to the time they had to take from work. I think I saw it in an Alicia interview (?), definetly a couple of weeks ago.
fplo	So much to think about!	#43	[-]
Posts: 131 04/30/01 11:28 AM More Recent Posts	Wow - there is just so much to think about! Great threads and good ideas Since there is so much to think about, I'm going to try and think a little less. I think simplification may be the key. Break apart what we know and how that could play out. Okay. takes a deep breath As I have stated in the Immunity thread, I firmly believe the IC will be an endurance challenge and I also believe that Tina will win. All of my reasons are in the IC thread. Also, each one of the F3 has to be thinking about strategy for every kind of IC. They will each have a gameplan for physical/mental/endurance IC. I would not be surprised if either Colby or Keith have approached Tina to make a deal, knowing she would outlast them in endurance. What would fit best with the story line thus far is if Keith makes the deal with Tina to oust Colby. Tina effectively became the one pulling the strings when she had to be asked to step down. Keith sealed his fate when he said he owed her - and he said this at TC - so everyone on that jury will have this in their mind. To go back on that might just swing votes away from him toward C/T. Another point that I'll address here is how Tina is viewed as the backstabber. I dont agree with that. Many people bring up Mitchell. I think at this point in the game, K/T/C all reached the same conclusion: Mitch simply wasnt pulling his weight. Ogakor needed to win the ICs as Kucha was so effectively kicking their ass. (one of Jeff P's best lines at TC, btw) I dont think they did it out of spite, they did it so they would have a better chance of winning. Keith was stronger at that point. Mitchell was lazy, he was exhausted and he was a liability. Of course, I do agree that Jerri will blame this on Tina. Jerri showed herself throughout the game, and even afterward to be quite self-centered and unaware of how she was viewed by others. The fact that she thinks her one comment about the game not being fair is what got her booted, really sealed the self-absorbtion for me. Also, I tend to agree with Mytzch who said that Jerri will use this to be remembered and get screen time during the Q & A with the F2. Tina will take the brunt of this. But if this does occur, she could end up actually swinging some votes toward Tina. Ya just never know. Keith has always stuck by the gameplan, he does have that advantage. I dont think anyone will feel betrayed by him. And of course, it's all about what the jury experienced, not what we have seen. I think the seeming change in loyalties (Tina backstabbing - whatever) was done because it was in the best interest of Ogakor. However, I dont think Jerri will see it that way. I firmly believe she would vote for Colby over Tina. But, I think Keith and Tina will be in F2, so that is kind of a non issue for me in this post. So with K/T in mind for F2, I think the vote will be closer than we originally thought. I agree with stlou that Tina really blundered when answering the TC question about the "most deserving." And I too, would like to see this brought up again. I have never been very impressed with her TC answers. Nor have I been with Keith's. However, I think Keith could have an advantage in the fact that he never did sway from his one gameplan. He doesnt have as much to answer to, in the eyes of the jury And that is what we have to keep in mind - these are the opinions of each jury member, what they experience, and who could possibly be swayed by the opinions of another jury member. Okay - I know that was long, thanks for following along. I havent yet formed an opinion on the seperate votes, so for now, I'm just saying why I think it will be T/K F2
ttpup	Re: more thoughts on Madwoman's metaphor	#44	[-]
Posts: 138 04/30/01 02:57 PM More Recent Posts	Not to be wonkish, but Madwoman is not just talking about metaphors, she is talking about motifs. The "themes" around which characters and shows are built. We all accept the themes as truth about the characters. We accept that Rodger was good because he was imbued with that characteristic by editing. This is not to say that Rodger is not, in fact, good. He is, ostensibly, a wonderful person. MB can wreak havoc with our acceptance of certain themes, though, by tearing them down in the end. This is the foundation of much current, popular entertainment. Everyone loved the movie "The Usual Suspects" because Kevin Spacey's character, throughout the movie, had been portrayed as scared, ineffectual, and inept. The kicker, of course, is that he is Kaiser Soze. (Sorry if I ruined the movie for those who haven't seen it). This method is really all he has going for him if he hopes to make the last episode interesting. And this is exactly what he did in version one. Rich was THE DESPISED ONE. Yet, he won. The key, I think, is to figure out the MOST prevalent themes associated with each remaining survivor. After that is done, we can figure out how MB could most easily manipulate the them throughout the show so that he can surprise us in the end. So, beef, madwoman, syn, xena (where are you), everyone else, reply with a list of what you think most prevalent theme is for each: Keith: Loyal loner who is always threatened. Tina: Tactical, friendly maniupulator Colby: Winner (not in the ultimate sense) who relies as much on charisma as ability. Most surprising winner: Keith
Zulu Doggy	My version	#45	[-]
Posts: 4189 04/30/01 07:41 PM 8th place??? More Recent Posts	Since I don't see too many actual stories in this thread, I thought I'd give one a shot. Here's how I think the last episode will go... [...usual 'Last week on Survivor', opening credits, etc., EXCEPT this time Mike Skupin's picture actually bursts into flame.] DAY 1: Scene opens with early A.M. picture of Barramundi. We see first stirrings of life in the survivor's camp this morning. Keith and Colby check the fire pit, begin to gather wood for the day's fire. Tina sits and watches the two men work. Cut to Tina confessional where she discusses how she never thought she would make it this far, how she is happy just to be here this long, etc. Cut back to group sitting around fire, eating breakfast. Conversation is limited, if at all. All survivors seem lost in their own thoughts. Now it's Keith's turn in the confessional. He discusses how he really thought he was going to be voted out last TC, how the game is now anyone's to win, etc. After hours of commercials (Buy an Aztec! Doritos are the crunchiest! Do the Dew!) we cut back to the camp that afternoon. The survivors are still looking extremely lethargic, so it's time for Colby to speak his piece. He reiterates some of the previous mumbo-jumbo, but adds how great it was to see his mom. He claims that even if he gets voted out in the next TC, the new car and mom visit made him a winner already. [Egads! Could this be a premonition of things to come?] More commercials. DAY 2: We've got tree-mail! Colby & Tina bring the message back to camp - "In Outwit and Outplay, you three are the best. To go any farther, Outlast is your test. If all the rest quit while you still hold on, you'll be here tomorrow with someone else gone." The group immediately speculates that the test involves holding on to the immunity necklace for the longest time. We quickly cut to a Keith confessional, where he claims that he needs to win this challenge. He notes how tough it will be, as Colby is the better rested and more well-fed of the group. After another commercial, we see the survivors approaching JP, who takes the ugliest necklace in the world back from Colby and places it around a block of wood (is it in the middle of the river? I don't know, my crystal ball conked out.) JP explains that all survivors must stay in contact with the necklace, and that the last one holding on wins immunity, and is in the FINAL 2! And away we go... After several hours (as noted by the time clock at the bottom of the screen), JP attempts to tempt someone into giving up...he fails. More boring shots of the survivors talking, singing, etc. Finally after 4 hours, shock of all shocks! Colby announces that he just can't take this anymore, and releases his grip! Almost immediately, Tina turns to Keith and says, "you know you owe me one". Keith looks at her and states, "you had better remember this" - AND LETS GO AS WELL! Scenes of a joyful Tina being awarded the IN, JP announces that he will see them all at TC, and we cut to commercial. That night, after Q & A in front of the jury (Colby: "I knew I couldn't outlast either of them, they were intent on winning." Keith: "Tina took herself out of an IC for me, it was time for me to repay the favor."), JP announces that since Colby and Keith's votes cancel each other out, only Tina will vote. Off she goes to the booth. We see her pause momentarily, then put pen to paper.... JP announces that he will "count the votes". He returns, opens the bucket, looks at the vote. Turning it around, he announces...."Keith, Tina has spoken"!!!!! Shock again! Tina has turned out to be the 'ultimate betrayer'. JP extinguishes Keith's torch and tells Tina and Colby that he will see them tomorrow. (Coming soon: the gripping conclusion. Well, maybe not 'soon'. Maybe Tuesday.) ZD They know not if it's dark outside or light
wackadoodle1	Re: Episode 14 -- Story arcs and writer's corner	#46	[-]
Posts: 132 04/30/01 09:30 PM More Recent Posts	Miss a day and you miss alot! Two beautiful children have kept me busy, but I'm trying to play "catch up" tonight. Something has struck me that may, or may not, be interesting to discuss (and since I skimmed a little, forgive me if this has been mentioned). Colby's "loyalty". Two things stand out: #1. He was the one who seemed to argue against voting Jerri out, even though he seemed to really like Lis. #2. His comment last week, that his only loyalty lay with Tina. He's the only one who hasn't gone against K/T/C. They seemed to have left him out of the loop on Amber, but he seems to have remained faithful. I'm trying to tie this into other's theories about how this might play out. Any ideas. Stephie
ssstefffii	Re: Episode 14 -- Story arcs and Colby	#47	[-]
Posts: 719 04/30/01 11:00 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	Do you think that means he takes Tina to F2 (given the oportunity), or that he invokes the-all-alliances-are-off-for-F2-selection clause and picks Keith, hoping to win the popularity vote ? (From all spoilers we have heard, I actually think he would be better off with Tina anyway, but he mightn't know that)
ssstefffii	Re: So much to think about!	#48	[-]
Posts: 719 04/30/01 11:18 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	No story arcs, but definitely some feedback : fplo, I am having quite a day for agreeing with you ! Because I agree with you on : * Jerri choosing Colby over Tina, given the opportunity. I have already summarised my reasons why, ad nauseam. So not again. * Tina's motives for voting the way she did, with Mitchell. Someone had to be voted off, and apparently this had to meet with Colby and Keith's agreement at the very least, so it was Mitchell. * Trying to see things through the jury members' eyes. The Early Show interviews etc have given us quite a lot of insight into their thinking (Alicia and Jerri in particular ahve guided me hopefully towards the light), we should build on it. ZuluDoggy, Good to see a story arc -- and courageously early ! (Which is great, because it gives us a structure, flow, etc to debate). I agree most of what you have presented --especially the tree mail / likely structure of IC -- but I am interested to know more detail (possibly within the structure of the story arc) about how Tina votes for Colby to stay. What is her justification -- An earlier, more compelling alliance with Colby ? A returned (as yet unknown) favour ? Some sort of moral higher ground ? I agree Tina could quite likely choose Colby, but that is my instinct speaking. My mind, however, has remained stoicly 'silent' (so to speak) on the issue.
Zulu Doggy	Re: So much to think about!	#49	[-]
Posts: 4189 04/30/01 11:50 PM 8th place??? More Recent Posts	ssstefffii: My thought process was along the lines of the earlier alliance, closer alliance theory (i.e. - kiss on lips last week, etc.). I also think that Tina may hope that Colby's incessant winning alienated some jury members (a weak argument, I know). She also hopes that later jury members have told Jerri that C really didn't like her, thus bringing in the Jerri/Amber vote for herself. She also counts Keith in her corner, even while eliminating him, as she knows of the sparks between them. Thus she assumes 3 votes, and hopes to pick up one more from Rodger/Liz/Nick/Alicia. In her mind, a likely possibility. (I disagree) To all the rest: Feel free to contradict my story to your heart's content. I don't expect it to be the MESS consensus, I just wanted to start some discussion. I'll finish tomorrow (I hope). ZD They know not if it's dark outside or light
tag	Re: Symbolism	#50	[-]
Posts: 471 05/01/01 02:25 AM More Recent Posts	"The worst Lis could come up with was Keith telling her he could count her goose-bumps they were so big on the Water Perch." -Stlousanta I agree with you. It doesn't seem like much. Jerri has said that Keith offended her by telling her on their trek to camp on the first day that he didn't know a woman could carry so much. That was it for him as far as she was concerned. Unless it is really skillful editting keeping some terrible behavior from the viewers, it seems to me that Keith is the whipping boy. It rained all night, you are hungry, your hair is falling out? Look to see what Keith is doing. Maybe, you can find something to criticize there.
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stlousanta	Re: Colby's Loyalty	#51	[-]
Posts: 527 05/01/01 09:45 AM More Recent Posts	From the CBS episode summary following Amber's ouster: "Colby still had issues with Keith, who realized that he was in a vulnerable position without immunity; having voted differently from Tina and Keith at the last Tribal Council, Colby had shown himself to have a mind of his own. "Meanwhile, Tina asked Rodger whether he or Elisabeth should go, if it came down to a choice between the two." If we are going to discuss story arcs, themes, or motifs, I would respectfully submit that we deal with actual behaviors of Colby: 1) Tina and Colby both BETRAYED their original J/A/M/C/T alliance. 2) Colby then proceeded to LIE REPEATEDLY to two of his alliance members--Jerri and Amber. After J/A enjoyed their dinner after the boomerang RC and returned to camp, Colby lied and reinforced it was J/A/C to the Final Three in preference to T/K who he was "fooling" into believe he was taking to the Final Three. 3) Colby BETRAYED Jerri in her ousting, leading to suspicion that a T/E/R/K alliance had emerged. 4) Colby coaxed Amber into remaining--lots of hugs and conversation--and against the pre-determined voting of K/T/C, voted Rodger during the Amber ousting. He LIED to K/T and he attempted a COVER-UP with Amber to conceal that he had LIED to her. 5) Colby took advantage of his power situation in the tribe and "picked on" Keith. During the rice fight, it was very one-sided with Keith making no volatile or prevoking comments. It was staged to cast doubt in Lis and Rodger's minds that there was a rift in the alliance. Wasn't going to happen and didn't--a very good piece of PLAY-ACTING--and LYING, yet again. It was also a power play against the only remaining male (Keith) who could conceivably threaten his power position. He was a BULLY. 6) Again Colby took advantage of his power position and the protection of immunity to GET OUT OF ANY WORK AT CAMP. Every piece of footage we have seen acknowledges this. See Okie's synopsis of Colby calling Nick and saying Nick did more work than Colby did in building their shelter. He conserved his energy for the more important work of winning challenges. Colby's momma saw something in Colby's eyes that she had never seen before--and it wasn't starvation. It was the theme "power corrupts" and it has corrupted her baby boy. He has lied, tried to cover up his lies, bullied, and collected his own bunch of female groupies to adore his power and his athletic ability throughout the game--and then discarded them to advance his position. Field Guide: "Honestly, I am worried more about the males because of the threat thing. I don't know why that's more on my mind at this point than WORRYING ABOUT A BAND OF WOMEN voting me off." That's 'cause he's used to the female groveling--and he was right, sadly enough. Want a contemporary American figure that Colby resembles? Try Clinton and build story arcs from that perspective. As long as you are a "winner" in some arena, you can fool the public. I don't think this is going to change the voting for the Ultimate Survivor--because, sadly enough, I think Colby will win. Tina did not come out of this game with her integrity intact. She lied. She held out false hope to Rodger and Lis with her "if" and she should pay a price for it--it doesn't seem enough to just come in third. Keith, our ultimate loser, will lose to Colby. But I will respect Keith for being the only one of the Final Three who will make it through the G-A-M-E with this integrity intact.
MadWoman	Re: Episode 14 -- Story arcs and writer's corner	#52	[-]
Posts: 2909 05/01/01 11:08 AM More Recent Posts	ttpup: yeah, I didn't want to start in on "motif" (Adorno be damned), but you are, of couse, right, it is more a "motif" issue. Anyway, here's my list Tina: strategizer, organizer, logician, also has the stepped-down during pole competition thing going for her Keith: Tina's gopher, mouthpiece. The reason Tina has no votes against her, and Keith has a bunch is because Keith has always been the most vocal of the two. He deflects attention away from Tina. Colby: Strong, young charmer I'm not sure that I agree with your assessment of Keith as the "least likely winner," though. Yes, if we look at this season alone, I think that is probably true, but I think that we should also do some across-season analysis. Richard Hatch won last time. Do we really want the pudgy middle-aged white guy to win again? Would that really be a "surprise" to people who aren't fanatics, but who just watch the show casually or maybe just every few weeks? They just see that the middle-aged white male wins again. Really anti-climatic for them....
XenaPrincess	I'm exhausted	#53	[-]
Posts: 4134 05/01/01 11:43 AM Registered User More Recent Posts	I've been away and am trying to catch up. Apparently I missed much excitement around here. Here's how I see the dynamic here, with a little thought on recurring themes. 1) Tina, as we all know, is firmly in control. Her masterstroke was the pole-standing challenge, where she not only made Keith beg for salvation, she made sure everyone knew his vulnerability that night at Tribal Council. ("Keith really needed this"). So we know that both Keith and Colby are loyal to her. She's Final Two for sure, IMHO. The traits we see in her, besides eschewing friendships for the sake of the game,(Mad Dog, Rodger, Elisabeth, etc.), are craftiness, maternalism, niceness (to the camera and to the players, save Kel and the voting booth), and sort of public "self-sacrifice." She has twice shown up Keith in this type of way--first in the IC, second in the river rice-retrieval. 2) Keith is finally no more vulnerable than Colby, I think. He seems to have run back and forth on the the spectrum from irritant to nice, lower-key guy to irritant and back to nicer guy. He wants to be a leader, but he's not a natural charmer as he seems to think he is. He's being set up as the number-two guy for either Tina or Colby, I think. Both seem to think they could win over him in a final vote, but I'm not convinced. His winning would be an underdog triumph at this point, though. 3) Colby. He's been portrayed as athletic, strong, competitive and frequently cocky. His vote has never been different from K/T, except when he was not told what the vote would be. He is, as he said, loyal to Tina, and has been from the start. He's played the smartest game that we've seen, but in the end, Tina's played the smartest game behind the scenes. Whose storyline is done? I think it might be Colby's. But what do I know? I put my 100 Yahoo points on Colby getting the boot last week. (I never got a chance to participate in or read MESS' picks!) Edited to say: MW, Love the panther (?). Also your designation. How cool are you?
wackadoodle1	Trying to tie my thoughts together?!	#54	[-]
Posts: 132 05/01/01 03:45 PM More Recent Posts	The things that jump out at me...that I consider unresolved. 1. Colby, "My game with Keith is over". Did he nail it or what? This really seems to be HIS game. 2. Colby, "My only loyalty is to Tina". 3. Tina stepping down from the water platform=payback? 4. Keith's whole "it's fate" speech last week...maybe, for Keith, it really IS fate. So here goes: Tina aligns herself with both, saying she'll bring each of them in. Because he trusts her, Keith pulls a "Richard" and quits the endurance (and I'm leaning that way) to repay her. But...Colby needs it worse (he knows if he'd rather go against Keith, than surely Tina wants the same) and he wins, because he's Colby and he ALWAYS wins. Colby may be loyal to Tina, but he's not stupid. He takes Keith to the F2 figuring it's a no-brainer and he's got the mil easy. But that's not exactly how it turns out and fate, as it happens, is kinder to Keith than anyone might have expected. Jury vote: Rodger: Keith (he pulled his weight & played clean). Tina: Keith (resentful that Colby bailed on her). Amber: Keith (hunch...Colby betraying her & Jerri). Jerri: Colby (I don't think her pride would allow her to look like a woman scorned on national TV) Lis: Colby Nick: Colby (I'm basing this on the fact that they seem friendly, he's a coin flip to me.) Alicia: Keith (while I think she would respect Colby's physical ability, I think she might have more respect for someone who played a more well-rounded game.) Keith wins. What would be more interesting that the guy everyone thinks they can beat sailing right through the jury. AND, everything is tied up into nice neat little packages. Sort of, okay maybe not, but close? As I finish this I'm starting to think maybe Colby is gone. DAMN my jumbled, scrambled, swirling mind! Stephie
Unregistered(d)	Re: Episode 14 -- Story arcs and writer's corner	#55	[-]
Posts: 0 05/01/01 04:45 PM More Recent Posts	I want to add a couple of things to MadWoman's list: Tina - "outback mama"?? If Rodger was Lis' outback daddy, then surely Tina has been Colby's "outback mama" Colby - youngest of the bunch by far. Could mean nothing, could mean everything. Tina's 40 and Kieth is 43 or thereabouts. Those extra years of life experience could make a difference. Keith - maybe not as annoying as we think he is. Yes, they've played up that part of the story, but how does the jury see him? Just my 2 cents.
Cafe976	Re: Episode 14 -- Story arcs and writer's corner	#56	[-]
Posts: 644 05/01/01 05:09 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	Wow! There's a lot of good input here. I thought Keith's story arc really came to the fore more last week than previously - that is his had the most significant degree of change. His MOMENT IN THE SUN showing the outback in all it's glory was transcendant. Unfortunately, I can't decide if that's transcendant-he's-done or transcendant-his-story-is-changing. I lean toward the he's-done angle because after this scene he goes right back to bungling - the water jug incident. I also really agree with the fumbling-loser-fumbles-and-loses again angle completing his story. OR NOT! It would make such a better story if it didn't wind up like that! Then again, who WANTED Rich to win? Personalities / Characters: Keith: Henpecked. (Would have been the 'leader' of his tribe except Jerri was more vocal and he just let her take over - and yet everyone HATED her being the leader, except lapdog-I-mean-Amber. And now? Again, he's 'irritable' but just passive aggressive. I don't think anyone mentioned this facet/attribute yet? Also, most interesting character. Secretive, passive but ready to sting.) Colby: Dominant. Tina: Determined. That's all for now, people are really going to wonder if I seem to want to STAY at work - LOL.
Zulu Doggy	Re: My version (continued)	#57	[-]
Posts: 4189 05/01/01 09:45 PM 8th place??? More Recent Posts	As promised, I conclude my version of the story arc: (...the story concludes) DAY 3: We open on Barramundi beach, sometime in the morning. Tina & Colby sit and stare at the fire. With so much excitement at the camp, it must be confessional time. Tina leads off. "I chose Keith last night because of a promise I made much earlier in the game. I am sure that Keith understands, and he knows that this is just a game. Colby and I have been allied since very early in the Outback. While Keith soon became a part of our alliance, I had to decide which of my friends I was going to vote out. My decision was based on an agreement I made with Colby long before Keith joined us. While I feel bad that he is no longer here, I had to keep my word to Colby." And so the truth is revealed - Tina and Colby have been allied from early in the game. We now cut to Colby's last confessional: "Was I worried? Certainly. Tina had to make a choice between Keith and myself. The odds were 50-50 for either of us. Even though I was pretty sure that Tina would keep me, the fact that I kept winning rewards and immunity did begin to bother her a little. I don't know if what we had was truly an alliance, I think that we just talked about who we would vote for, and came up with the most strategic choice. There were even instances where we cast differing votes because we wanted to ensure that we could later eliminate the people we wanted to get rid of. I guess you would say that Tina and I had a conjugal voting relationship." Is it possible that Colby really IS that dumb? The world may never know. But the circle is now closed. Tina and Colby, later joined by Keith, have prevailed in their alliance/voting strategy. Another MB quote, "no alliance really lasted" falls. We are now treated to scenes of the cleaning of the camp. Look, there's the remnants of Kel's beef jerky. Over there is a tangle of fishing line with a hook dangling from it. Here's a clump of Liz's hair. And there is Jeff's coloring book. Egads! Is that a hunk of Mike's hand? Again, my crystal ball conked out and I can't see what extravaganza MB puts on for the final TC. But eventually the jury is in, and the Q & A session begins. JP admonishes that each juror may ask only 1 question. He begins with Alicia. ALICIA: "Tina, what did you mean when you said that the friendliest people were the ones left?" TINA: "Well, I don't know whether that's exactly what I said, but all the people were friendly and I enjoyed their company very much." Jerri comes next, and begins a tirade against Tina. She blasts Tina for her under-handedness, for her back-stabbing, and for the fact that Dubya beat Gore. Tina tries to cry, but the skin around her eyes cracks. The parade of jurors goes on. Rodger compliments both on their play, and congratulates them for making the final two. Liz follows suit. Amber tells Tina that she doesn't deserve to win because she is not a very nice person after all. Nick gets lost on the way to the podium. Keith claims that he really has nothing to say, and trips going back to his seat. Finally we see each of the jurors head to the booth. We never see any of them actually write. Lengthy commercials follow an announcement to "stay tuned for the reunion of the survivors, and to see the results of the vote." We return to all the survivors in LA. All look healthy, and seem to be happy. Wait! Where are Colby and Tina? Here they come - led in by ?? (Bryant Gumbal? JP? MB?). They sit on stools at center stage, with the remaining survivors behind them. The host asks a few questions of each, then adds some questions for the earlier departees. Finally, JP brings out the vote barrel, and begins to read the votes: Colby...Tina...Colby...Tina...Tina...Colby...the vote is tied, 3-3...and the final vote is for...Colby, congratulations! Eventually we see that the vote went: Alicia: Colby Jerri: Colby Amber: Colby Rodger: Tina Liz: Tina Keith: Tina Nick: Colby, but he got lost on the way to and from the voting booth. (see my post in Ultimate Survivor for reasons why) ZD They know not if it's dark outside or light
Oedipus Tex	Survivor II: Tina vs. Colby	#58	[-]
$avatar$ Posts: 8 05/02/01 04:20 AM More Recent Posts	The entire season has been a battle between Tina and Colby. Don't be deceived by thoughts of an undying love pact from the beginning. Their alliance was based on strategy. Recognizing each other's strengths and weaknesses, they decided to pool their resources, then battle at the end. Tina's MO was general friendliness. She counted on Colby's selfishness to make him vulnerable. She would keep him alive until Colby did himself in. Colby's MO was to take advantage of what he perceived as his great physical advantage over Tina and their plan to weed out the strong to enable him to walk through the challenges to the F2 if necessary. He could disable Tina's friendliness with the argument that he had out played. He always had his Texan charm to fall back on. Both had tasks to take care of first. It was Colby's job to neutralize Jerri. Then it would be Tina's job to neutralize the Kuchas. Keeping Keith was essential for an Oga victory as Mitchell was fading fast. Being saved from extinction made him think that Tina and Colby were siding with him in his personal battle against Jerri. Not true. They were simply negating Jerri's power over Oga. Indeed, it was in Colby's best interest to keep the Ogakor house of cards up, Tina's interest to collapse it. Keith made the critical decision: to vote out Jerri instead of Liz. He didn't know it, but he had just even the C/T battle. They now had one ally apiece. And it would not stay even for long. Tina was able to recruit Liz and Rodger as her allies and remove Amber. Now Tina had 3 allies while Colby had none. Colby's game plan was sealed. He had to run the immunity table to win. He had estranged Keith to the point that he might oust Colby at any moment of weakness, even though it would hurt Tina. Fortunately, Keith was alienating the Kuchas at the same time, giving up his tie-break advantage and giving up his bargaining power with the Kuchas. But Keith has been playing for second all along. It remains to be seen whose game plan wins, Tina's which called for a pre-emptive licking of wounds before ushering people out or Colby's, an all out win at all costs strategy. Don't think there were times when one of them could make the early mate on the other. If Colby could calm Keith down to bring Jerri into the end game or alienate the Kuchas from Tina, she would have lost at about #5 and Colby would be the prohibitive favorite. And, of course if Tina or Keith had won the immunity last time, they could have ousted Colby (and Keith would jump at the chance). Then there was the battle for Keith's affections which seems squarely won by Tina. If Colby had won it, this thing would be all over but the shouting long ago. So don't think of them as allies in the traditional sense, not like Liz and Rodger or Jerri and Amber. These were two players who quickly realized that together they could both get to the end game. The end game is the real war.
queenoftheoutback(d)	Keith	#59	[-]
Posts: 54 05/02/01 07:19 AM More Recent Posts	I am still wrestling with the whole Keith editing. The ulimate underdog. The word FATE has been mentioned before here. In a final twist of fate, Jerri gives the man the million. The same guy whose mission in life was to see that she didn't get it.
Cafe976	Re: Episode 14 -- Story arcs and writer's corner	#60	[-]
Posts: 644 05/02/01 09:57 AM Registered user More Recent Posts	You rock, Zulu Doggy! I love your stories. My only caveat is that E. carefully says very little that isn't open to broad interpretation (aside from their actual picks) which helps them stay more accurate in hindsight (adding mystery, adding to their reputation). On the other hand, are we out for reputation or out for fun? However, I have to agree with Oedipus Tex that Colby & Tina didn't have that kind of alliance. I could have been tricked by the editing, but I am convinced that Keith and Tina were truly aligned and secured Colby only because he started getting grossed out by Jerri. Also that they could never be fully sure he wouldn't go with the J/A alliance until they got rid of Jerri, and that they would have gotten rid of him, too, if they could. Other votes?
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