Olmec Donald wrote:
Hey Lady V. Was JFP an S or an E?
Well, it looks like Pearl Islands was just before the board meltdown.
So I don't have the official board ratings on him. Does anyone out there? However,
I found some stuff which might be helpful to us this week (and thanks, birdlady for the link! very helpful, since I can't yet match faces to names):
Eccentrics. (From FLF): "Eccentric", here, doesn't necessarily mean odd or outlandish behavior, though they often include that. Eccentric means someone who fits in with the family group but doesn't fit any of the main family roles. An Eccentric isn't a confused role. A confused role is what we've referred to as a "failed" role, someone who doesn't relate well to the others as a sibling, nurturer (Mother) or leader/provider (Father). Eccentrics definitely fit right in and seem to easily get included in a strong alliance. Chet and Kathy were definite Eccentrics. I think Ami came closest to being the Favorites' Eccentric this season, but not in Vanuatu, where she was head Sister. She lost her alliance early, though...I think Es make it when they provide comic relief to the tribe (the Fool) and/or are harmless and seen as not being a threat. I'd like to see an E who provides some genuine spiritual sustenance to the tribe...Frank in S3 had some vague bits of that, but otherwise... (I don't mean fundamentalists of any kind, or even religious people necessarily...) I also believe that when we've got a 'real' eccentric, it's obvious.
(from LV): Eccentrics may not always be clowns, but the idea of being "outside the family" doesn't really work, either. Real Outsiders are booted and often very early. An Eccentric may benefit from being on a tribe that delays or rarely goes to TC. But to make it to FF4, they must have worth, or at least charisma to survive.
Mothers. (LV) Characteristics of mothers on the show are: concern for tribal harmony, tribemates' feelings (including soothing boo boos), nurturing, nest-making and nest-tending, food preparation.
Fathers. (LV) Characteristics of fathers on the show are: concern for tribal success and overall effectiveness, expressing the idea that work is something you naturally do to help the family (work ethic), procuring food, brave deeds (!) and courage, physical strength, protectiveness of tribal members, mentoring sons (and frequently tension with them). (FLF:) With Father's definition, lets not forget "authority". Fathers always seem to have some level of respect, even if resented or questioned.
(FLF) ... theoretically mothers/fathers/kids can be any age, with their own kids in the real world or not, although people who are 'really' fathers/mothers/kids would be most likely to maintain their roles in survivor. There are also lots of moms/dads in the world who are really children, and there are many parentified children, too. I imagine more M/F would be older because it takes maturity and experience to develop those qualities in life. I've been hesitant to define FF4 roles based on outside-of-the-game 'real life' characteristics, though. :)
Kids. Can't find anything substantive on kids, quickly, so I'll just write that sons and daughters value play, relaxation, expect to be taken care of by others (that is, they may contribute, but only when led or when trying to best each other or the father). There seems to be quite a bit of "sibling rivalry" on Survivor season after season.
The most perfect archtypes among winners (this was from 2006) are:
Tom = Father (Ian Son, Katie Daughter)
Tina = Mother (Colby Son)
Ethan = Son (Mama Kim, Lex Father)
Jenna = Daughter (Deena Mom, Heidi Sister, Rob Brother)
