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First, Katy, let me state that the egg came first.

Now that we've covered the serious stuff, on the the fun stuff:

SFB, you don't have the complete story when you write: "Tina and Jerri's edits accurately reflected the way that most of their tribe mates felt about them. Tina was respected and Jerri was hated."

At first anyway, Jerri was adored by Bitchell and Lamber while Colby and Tina liked her much more than they did Kel and Keith. It took a long time for Colby to turn against Jerri, so long in fact that Kucha never imagined that Jerri could have received a vote. The Kuchas all said they were under the impression that Jerri was well liked. That certainly wasn't Jerri's edit.

Actually, the comparison between Jerri and Tina perfectly illustrates the double standards of editing.

- Jerri was an overt leader and was portrayed quite negatively. The best example came at the beginning of episode #4 when she apparently "stole" the boat from Keith and Tina who were ready to go fishing. The real story was that Mitchell, Lamber and Jerri had gone fishing at dawn every day for the first 9 days. Tina and Keith knew that and it led many posters back in the day to think that Tina used the boat to create another conflict between Jerri and Keith. The editors chose not to show any of the previous expeditions so that we would side with "poor" Tina and Keith but they certainly chose to show every evil laugh that Jerri had to make us think she had done something bad and was relishing it.

- Tina was a more covert leader so the editors chose to hide all her machinations to portray her as a good mom. But machinations there were. You must know that Tina walked up to Mitchell before episode #4 TC and told him they had to vote out Lamber. When Mitchell refused, Tina walked back to Colby and told him they had to vote out Mitchell since he wouldn't vote out Lamber. Pretty cold-blooded, I'd say. Why not show that? Her edit was deceptive indeed and that's still relevant today.

- You have to be kidding about Cirie in Micronesia. Cirie had a perfectly good reason to vote out Yau Man but the editors chose to ignore it, leaving the viewers to think that it could have been a case of PMS. (Edgic saw Cirie as a "viable winner" so they chose the rating that fit.) Jonathan may have come off more negatively to you but many saw him as defending their beloved YM and sided with him. The editors had to know that would be the reaction of the audience.

And you're still asking for burden of proof after Katy's brilliantly succinct: "Stephenie without power = beloved with a strong positive edit. Stephenie in control = evil negatively toned bitch"?

SwineForkbeard wrote:

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I said MOST of their tribemates. I realize there are other sides to Jerri, but where there's smoke there's fire.

And you're arguing that it's because the editors are sexist and don't think women should have power? Do you realize how asinine that sounds coming from the guy who asked me to believe that they broke federal laws and fixed the game in order to give her that power?

That's simply because Stephenie lost the vote and ruined the perfect plan. What I am arguing is that Palau Steph and Guat Steph aren't the real Steph but 2 characters in different stories. Everyone said Steph wasn't as good as what we saw in Palau nor as bad as we saw in Guatemala. It served the purpose of each story to portray her that way.

Had Stephenie won Guatemala, her edit would have been different, Rafe probably shown early on as the mastermind, Steph shown as his Lamber, I mean partner.

To see that Stephenie didn't really change, you just have to go back to her very first comment in Palau's first TC: "We're starving."

And about Jerri: Keith and Kel hated her. Mitchell, Lamber, Colby and Tina liked her enough to be in an alliance with her while Mad Dog was almost always hanging out with that group. How is that MOST? Do you use "Lisi Math"?

SFB, only someone as obtuse as you can't see how much room there is between StepheME, the entitled Mayan Queen, and a "UTR default winner" whatever that is!!!

Do you even realize that the editors aren't responsible for the twists? That their work starts after the events occurred? Guatemala certainly wasn't a story about Stephvivor or "Everyone loves Stephenie" despite productions original attempts to make it so.