that's called selfish parenting. it's not their OWN sex their hiding, it's another person's. another couple of fools who presume they own their
children.
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Swedish parents keep 2-year-old's gender secret
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Posts: 33060 (07/03/09 9:35 PM) Sexy asshole |
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superguppie |
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Posts: 26269 (07/03/09 9:39 PM) Registered user |
Yeah, I can't wait until Pop does the inevitable nekkid romp somewhere in public. Party's over.
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Listentothis1 |
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Posts: 385 (07/03/09 9:41 PM) Registered user |
What does Pop wear to swim in
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meatball77 |
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Posts: 12375 (07/03/09 9:42 PM) Registered user |
The kid is two. Haven't they had their naked phase yet?
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Lila Fowler |
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Posts: 1701 (07/03/09 9:48 PM) |
Ain't no parent gonna volunteer their crotchfruit for the Skinner Box --> of course they have to use their own kid Isn't self-interest the main reason for having a kid in the first place??? Or is it a demonstration of hope for the future??? I don't know, I'm not a parent. I will have a kid if: I want a little carbon copy of me; I feel I have something worthwhile to pass on; I want someone to love me and depend on me; I want company in my old age; I want a lifetime of lulz+heartbreak But the Swedes must beat on, like boats against the current; all is condoned in the interest of knowledge. sry. |
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dmb154678 |
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Posts: 33063 (07/03/09 9:49 PM) Sexy asshole |
you're an idiot.
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Lila Fowler |
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Posts: 1702 (07/03/09 9:50 PM) |
well then why don't you enlighten me ---> WHY did you have a kid (if you have one)??? |
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Posts: 230 (07/04/09 10:22 AM) |
The kid's going to be confused and a cross-dresser. If he/she doesn't have the gender bit sorted out by school age I could see there being a huge issue
for him/her at school. How are they supposed to know which bathroom to use? If they pick the wrong one then it'll be glaringly obvious when other kids are
in there too. I feel bad for the kid and yeah, kids shouldn't be their parents' experiment. And this...
...or it 'might' go horribly wrong and the kid could end up a screwed up, gender-confused sociopath who takes out his rage on a bunch of other innocent kids before committing suicide in some horribly violent way. |
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Listentothis1 |
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Posts: 386 (07/04/09 11:00 AM) Registered user |
This has been done before and it failed miserably. The Joan/John case.
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UrbanSprawl |
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Posts: 2048 (07/04/09 12:04 PM) |
Male/Female is a social construct. But top/bottom is NOT.
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Posts: 5634 (07/04/09 12:45 PM) Registered User |
If male/female is a social construct, then how do you explain why women happily go to the powder room together and guys don't? Top/bottom -- isn't that
a dominance/submissive issue?
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Lila Fowler |
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Posts: 1710 (07/04/09 1:30 PM) |
Zzunk wrote:This is exactly the manufactured behaviour that is constructed by societal norms. Reinforce it enough and a gender stereotype is born. Nothing is static, however, and many men spend more time primping in the mirror than women now, because that behaviour has been reinforced and replicated everywhere (tv, magazines, social contact...). And top/bottom is not always a submission thing. Trust me, the one on the bottom can easily control EVERYTHING if s/he desires. ETA: Still would like a clarification on why people have kids. From anyone. My parents straight up told me they had kids because it was expected and because they want someone to take care of them. No combustion of love mumbojumbo at all. |
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Posts: 2078 (07/04/09 2:23 PM) Registered user |
huh. My parents told me the same thing, that it was just something that was expected, but that was only after I started a discussion about how I just don't
understand why people have kids in the first place. Don't they have better things to do?
Anyway, for this article, I don't think it will fuck up the kid. It isn't anything like the Joan/John case where the kid was forced into a gender. This swiss kid is being allowed to choose whatever gender it wants and not be restricted by what is expected of him/her as a particular gender (eg dad doesn't freak out if Pop plays with dolls or wants to put on make-up, mom doesn't force Pop to wear dresses if Pop wants to play in the mud) |
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Posts: 5636 (07/04/09 2:50 PM) Registered User |
Lila Fowler wrote:Frankly, everything is social, which makes it hard to separate the instinctive behaviors. Men tend to be competitive towards each other, while women tend to be collaborative. I believe this is instinctive behavior that is shrouded in all kinds of social issues. How is the top/bottom preference different than oranges/bananas or coffee/tea preference? How is that anything but a social construct? |
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Posts: 2666 (07/04/09 2:50 PM) Registered user |
I think it can work out Ok. By schoolage I think Pop will have decided which gender he/she prefers.
Look at what toys a child plays with. Girls play with dolls. Boys play with cars. If Pop has access to both kinds of toys, a preference can probably be detected pretty soon. Pop gets to choose the clothes for each day, so a preference there will also manifest itself when the kid is ready. As a child, I always preferred "boy's" toys to "girl" toys. I preferred blue *$!!! to dresses. They called me a tomboy. I grew up to be a lesbian. |
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Pahrump Mania |
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Posts: 4236 (07/04/09 3:34 PM) Registered user |
Pretty sure that the kid will grow up to be a douchebag since both parents are.
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Survivor Boy |
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Posts: 6712 (07/04/09 3:38 PM) Registered User |
child called "it"
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Pahrump Mania |
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Posts: 4237 (07/04/09 3:40 PM) Registered user |
Really, how much do you have to ignore nature in order to buy into the idea that male and female are social constructs?
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Posts: 6320 (07/04/09 3:42 PM) Registered User |
From age 0-2 an infant only interacts with other adults, so the parents want other adults to not treat their child in gendered ways. So what? I doubt they
could or would keep up the secret once the child is school aged. Anyone read the Baby X story? It's fiction from 1972 but basically covers this idea. Quick
excerpt:
The day the Joneses brought their baby home, lots of friends and relatives came over to see it. None of them knew about the secret Xperiment, though. So the first thing they asked was what kind of a baby X was. When the Joneses smiled and said, "It's an X!" nobody knew what to say. They couldn't say, "Look at her cute little dimples!" And they couldn't say, "Look at his husky little biceps!" And they couldn't even say just plain "kitchy-coo." In fact, they all thought the Joneses were playing some kind of rude joke. |
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Posts: 1720 (07/04/09 4:24 PM) |
Zzunk wrote: Have you ever worked in an office??? Women will claw each others' eyes out and hold grudges until the day they die. Men can yell at each other one day and the next day be best buds. I know I secretly hate all my female friends and am in an unspoken competition with them, as they are with me. I want to be prettier than them, smarter than them, richer than them, have a bofo with a bigger dick blah blah blah There are notable differences between the sexes biologically but we have created a false dichotomy when it comes to gender assumptions and expectations. Everything in life is a spectrum, and I like that these Swedes are putting off prescribed behaviours for their little Pops. I hope we anatomically evolve a thousand years from now and gender becomes irrelevant. We'll all have internal genitalia (which is clearly superior) and be intersexual. It'll be a groovy Brave New World. |
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