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Monsieur Muggles |
It's official: California is underwater |
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UndifferentCow |
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I'm sorry MM, would you like some tissue?
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UrbanSprawl |
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gerrymandered districts, propositions tying the hands of politicians, and inordinate majorities needed to pass anything budgetary has not served California
well
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Monsieur Muggles |
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UrbanSprawl wrote:Proposition 13 -- "People's Initiative to Limit Property Taxation" It sounds Communist in retrospect. |
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merkyl |
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California was ruined by Californians.
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UrbanSprawl |
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The proposition system came out of a liberal movement in the mid-20th century in an effort to give Californians more control, direct control, over their
government.
And the system was an excellent method to discern people's basic desires and fears. For example, big spending iniatives were often passed and big taxing iniatives were rarely passed. And bigoted propositions, usually aimed at gays and Hispanics, often passed as well. But it was terrible at actually governing the world's 8th largest economy. The state congresspeople, who are often demonized and have had much of their power stripped from them, are seemingly far more fit at balancing the state's spending, taxing, and surrounding economic matters because they're steeped in the knowledge of California's economy. If a congressperson wants to lower taxes, he or she knows it's going to mean making big cuts. If a congressperson wants to spend on some matter- education, healthcare, roads, etc- he or she knows that some segment of society will be taxed in some way. The congressperson is more likely to view the economy as a living thing that with the benefit of a program or a tax-cut comes the detriment elsewhere, inspiring a degree of value and jurisprudence. And we've taken away their power to empower "ourselves" (we, being the voter) who have shown our own brand of jurisprudence by ridding ourselves of taxes or even the possibility of being taxed in the future while embracing the spending programs aimed at helping Californians in multifold ways. If we could only vote away the resultant deficit, we probably would do that too. |
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merkyl |
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So you trust some elected official more than yourself? Moron.
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Zzunk |
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Californians are in denial that sometimes things get too big to manage efficiently. Time has arrived to divide the state into city states (LA, SD, SF, SJ, Sac)
and rural areas.
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merkyl |
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Any chance of just giving it back to Mexico? They might manage it a little better.
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UrbanSprawl |
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I only have one vote in a proposition system. And I know I trust myself and my own judgment because I'm a frequent voter. I don't really distrust my
intelligence or good judgment; I find that a strange comment to levy after reading my posts.
The question becomes: What measures could be put forward to make California a healthier-functioning democracy? The proposition system has proven effective at discerning Californian's desires and fears (we like government-funded programs and we hate taxes and minorities), but it has shown little ability to actually balance those desires with the real world. But I don't want to give you the impression that this is the only problem with California's system of governance. This is one of many. |
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merkyl |
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The biggest problem is obviously all the fags.
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Licorice |
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The property tax is one of the most sensible ways to raise revenue; sales and payroll taxes are among the worst. Leave it to Californians to get it completely
backwards.
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Zzunk |
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In Calif, the proposition process undermines the republic-style government of elected representatives. Here's some short term fixes (long-term fixes are
still needed):
1. Repeal all super-majority laws and super-majority constitutional amendments of the past 30 years. 2. Increase the number of signatures required for a ballot initiatives. Reform the way signatures are gathered. 3. Make all ballot initiatives vote by mail. 4. Add requirement that ballot initiatives must deal only with one issue. 5. Create a legislative mechanism that is empowered to fix approved but flawed ballot measures, or improve the court system that can more readily disqualify a flawed ballot measure before/after it is voted on. 6. Require state legislature to convene for only six months every year -- the air in Sacramento is toxic and results in too many laws getting passed. |
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PassionatePiscesMan |
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Mexifornia here I come.
They could balance the budget with legal mj and drilling |
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CBRetriever |
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Didn't they realize it's a given that most people will not vote for anything that means more money out of their pockets? It's why most school and
road bonds don't pass in Houston or Texas, for that matter.
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Pahrump Mania |
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This is typical. Liberals hate any limits on taxation and now they are blaming a 30 year old proposition for their economic problems in an attempt to have Prop
13 repealed. Never let a serious problem go to waste.
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AnAlanSmitheeFilm |
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School and road bonds pass in the Dallas area with regularity. I suppose Houstonians know it's futile to keep up with our superior infrastructure.
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merkyl |
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Is it true that Dallas' metro system is powered by the city's sense of self importance?
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AnAlanSmitheeFilm |
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Nah, you're thinking of Austin. That's how they power Rick Perry's hairdryer.
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merkyl wrote:Baja Californians is a more accurate statement |
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WiscBadger95 |
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PassionatePiscesMan wrote:And by legalizing and taxing donkey shows. |
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