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catwoman6226 |
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I still think people are putting too much emphasis on the fact that Wakefield's accomplice "has" to be his kid.
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Coachocd |
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SardonicallyIrrelevant wrote: I disagree with the word "copout". The creators obviously were never trying to create a mystery in the first place. It's only a "copout" if they were. The original promo that featured Madison saying, "the bad man told me", tells us they wanted a suspenseful story about the 'bad man", not a mystery for the audience to solve (or be stumped by). The real "cop out" was the producers, or advertisers, or the network, not trusting their own product and putting this fake mystery angle on it to lure viewers who otherwise wouldn't have given a second look. Did they really think that they had such a high quality show that viewers who went expecting a "mystery" wouldn't mind that they were duped into watching an entirely different show? Even if I thoroughly enjoy the wrong meal brought out to me at a restaurant I am still peeved that the menu said I would be getting something different. I can relax and enjoy the schlocky product now that I can accept it for what it is. The fact that we were asked to gether clues is really ridiculous and embarassing. But as we saw from the Shane death scene being uploaded and then taken down, the people making the product, owning the product, and selling the product aren't anywhere near on the same page. "She's getting away" means that we'll find out Wakefield's partner without Wakefield dying and then the survivors feeling a false sense of relief, then someone else dying, then paranoia. For all we know the final shot in this will be Wakefield alone on the island, the only survivor, waving a head spade. |
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Coachocd |
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The producers also told us all the loose ends would be wrapped up. We have 11 days before it airs in Canada. Let's make a list of those loose ends.
Note: I don't expect them to be wrapped up. We've already gotten a big F-U from the producers, but what the hell. It gives us extra reasons to throw tomatoes should we see them. ------------ - What happened to the $250,000 that wasn't burned up my Malcolm? - Just what did Uncle Marty want $50,000 to keep quiet about? - How did the groomsmen so conveniently find Hunter's boat? - Why did Richard or someone else check out the old issues of the Globe? - Just how was Katherine killed so up close to the wall or Beth taken with no one hearing a thing? - Who killed Cousin Ben Wellington? - Why were some bodies hung or placed for display and other's just disappeared? - Were the "spirits" really just Madison's nickname for Wakefield? - Who unlocked JD out of the pantry and who shot the Deputy so he could escape from jail? - What is the meaning of the Ave Maria phone calls? - Why did Maggie assume she was safe when everyone else was scared? - Did Booth really shoot himself or did Wakefield or someone else follow him and kill him for the money? - Why the ink in Kelly's eyes? Dramatic commentary like Brandy playing on the jukebox? - Where is Julia? Where is Gigi? - Why did Wakefield let Jimmy live (MULTIPLE TIMES) when he so easily killed others? - Why does Henry have that creepy, "I'm Wakefield's kid who's also a psychokiller so watch out" stare all the time? - Who is the screaming man in the Week 2 trailer they showed us. (Is he under the Native American burial grounds that Jimmy used to take Abby?) - Why can't any of these people shoot a gun and why doesn't Wakefield fear a gun other than the fact that the actor must have read the next page in the script and no he didn't die? For Harper's Globe fans -- - Who is this random dead person who was in front of Brent's House on Harper's Globe. Any others to add to the list? |
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torkie |
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cabanachat wrote:Couldn't agree more. I'll watch the finale just to remind myself not to watch broadcast TV again. Broadcast seems to think we are morons. I'll stay with PBS Mystery! |
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The Annoying Hater |
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If the sheriff suspected Jimmy, then why let Abby hang around with him so much, especially when it was known that people were dying. Oh, and why would he
sacrifice himself for a guy he suspected. Jimmy = misdirection
The Harper's Globe tie-in still bothers me though. The accident happened on September 5, Robin was sent a letter to work for Harper's Globe in mid-September. The digital rights to the paper was recently acquired by Hometown Press, some mysterious company. She then meets Brent, and they end up dating and go to Seattle for a mini getaway. Brent is buddies with Cousin Ben and both get drunk as hell. That's the last time they are seen alive. So who has a connection to WPU? Because I'm guessing they're Dangerous Wreck/the 2nd killer. |
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SurvivorNinja |
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Coachocd wrote: Nothing to add as of yet. |
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Cuauhtemoc Gilmore |
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SardonicallyIrrelevant wrote:I thought there was at least two killers on the bingo card and they brought Wakefield in and I was like |
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Drew B |
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I'm not nearly as disappointed as many of you in the Wakefield reveal, but that's probably because I always took the promotional campaign with a grain
of salt. It's not uncommon for them to market a film or tv show in a way that is simply not true to what it really is... I would have been MUCH more
disappointed if they revealed that the killer was one individual from the bingo card who could not have humanly done all of the killings. Or if the killer had
been a not-really-dead Booth who had never been established as an interesting character. That's the way it seemed to be heading, so I was actually relieved
that Wakefield was doing [many of] the killings.
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Coachocd |
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The Annoying Hater wrote: Well, according to Harper Wiki, Henry owns a multimedia company. There's your connection. |
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torkie |
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Coachocd wrote:You seem to have invested a lot of your time into this train wreck. |
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The Annoying Hater |
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Drew B wrote:This is why some of us are disappointed. There were a few people who could have done all the murders, and the clues even fit them. But bringing Wakefield back pretty much pissed on all of our detective work. I'm still baffled that Madison's "new friend" was Wakefield. |
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billhill |
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Shouldn't the whose bones are in the grave be on the list? I just asked this a page ago. That and the money are my biggest WTF's.
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Drew B |
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The Annoying Hater wrote: Who? By the time Beth was taken, there wasn't a single viable suspect without an alibi for at least one of the killings left. Maggie was the last one left without an alibi, but she was accounted for by the fight when Beth disappeared. |
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Coachocd |
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I have. But the difference is that Harper's Globe is competent, well made and what it advertised. I was going to give up, but Harper's Globe drew me
back in.
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billhill wrote: I think someone suggested that they belonged to Nikki's dad -- he was supposed to have died around that time. Agreeing with all re: dream ending: Cal & Chloe are alive and manage to get off the island.
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Drew B wrote:Cal, Chloe, Nikki, Shea. |
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SurvivorNinja |
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1. Ben - Everyone still a suspect
2. Marty - Everyone is still possible 3. Fain - All Still possible 4. Kelly - Nikki was off the hook at this point but she dead now 5. Lucy - Anyone but Nikki at this point 6. Hunter - Anyone but Nikki still 7. Booth - Killed himself 8. Thomas - Anyone but Nikki still 9. Richard - Anyone but Nikki and Madison 10. Malcolm - Anyone but Nikki and Madison still 11. Jail Guard - Everyone still suspect but Nikki, Madison, Shane and JD 12. Cole - Sheriff off the hook with other 4, everyone else suspect 13. JD - Everyone suspect but Nikki, Madison, Shane and Sheriff 14. Beth - We never saw her wander off, could have been with anyone at the time 15. Katherine - see Beth. Everyone suspect still but Nikki, Shane, Madison and Sheriff 16. Maggie - This still could have been Jimmy's work but everyone else was accounted for I believe It was still possible for it to be a Bingo Card character until Maggie died if i'm not mistaken. |
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billhill |
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Sheriff must have known he didn't originally get Wakefield, so the spec is that he somehow got Nikki's dad's remains to be buried instead? I
know it's a small island, I missed the whole Nikki's dad dying discussion, so the funeral was closed casket. I guess that would work.
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cookie |
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- What happened to the $250,000 that wasn't burned up my Malcolm?
The money won't be important, just the reason Uncle Marty was protecting Henry; a pay off. Bags of money look cool -same reason, Malcolm kept the blood stained money on top even when counting and resorting it. - Just what did Uncle Marty want $50,000 to keep quiet about? Hush money about one of Wellington's schemes. yeah, notice the contradiction with the above -two plot devices that weren't really thought out, just a movie cliche. - How did the groomsmen so conveniently find Hunter's boat? plot device, convenience - Why did Richard or someone else check out the old issues of the Globe? lazy, suspicious behavior for a red herring suspect - Just how was Katherine killed so up close to the wall or Beth taken with no one hearing a thing? Because it's a cinematic scary reveal; Beth is taken because it's an easy plot device -like Chloe from the chapel. - Who killed Cousin Ben Wellington? Won't be explained -either Henry or Super Killer Wakefield. Just a fantastic death scene to hook viewers; most likely won't be explained in the aftermath/James Bond villian explaination while chasing Abby and Trish. - Why were some bodies hung or placed for display and other's just disappeared? No rhyme or reason -again, just when they thought it would be a cinematic chill. Won't be explained. - Were the "spirits" really just Madison's nickname for Wakefield? AHA! This is a doozie. Won't be explained? Wakefield told Madison to say these thing -they've set that up as always an easy out, huh? Not enough hints to the supernatural have been peppered through this though -that all stopped with the pyshic. Chuck it up to the writer(s) throwing in everything but the kitchen sink... ah, hell throw in the sink too. (Next episode expect a killer shark to attack when Shea and Madison are on the motor boat) - Who unlocked JD out of the pantry and who shot the Deputy so he could escape from jail? The spirits. Woooooo! Wakefield, he's a mastermind. Most likely won't be alluded to again. - What is the meaning of the Ave Maria phone calls? The writers only know classical music 101, and it's good plot device. It's allllllll about Abby. - Why did Maggie assume she was safe when everyone else was scared? Plot device. Need a surprise death and the easiest writing to do -guess they could have had her check the basement. - Did Booth really shoot himself or did Wakefield or someone else follow him and kill him for the money? Shot himself. Will never be mentioned again. Writers thought this was really clever and ironic. - Why the ink in Kelly's eyes? Dramatic commentary like Brandy playing on the jukebox? Brandy purely atmosphere, or a subtle wink to the audience after the fact by the writers. The RED INK though, will be brought up; it's their Twin Peaks/CSI moment -expect to groan at the two sentence explaination though. - Where is Julia? Where is Gigi? Julia I'd like to see again, just to show up and say, "What the fuck is going on?" Or knock Henry over the head with a shovel while he's chasing Abby. That fucking dog WILL make a return after the horror is all over -expect Madison to be clutching it while riding the boat. - Why did Wakefield let Jimmy live (MULTIPLE TIMES) when he so easily killed others? Giant plot device, and with Chloe mentioning it, a means for red herring until the final kickout. - Why does Henry have that creepy, "I'm Wakefield's kid who's also a psychokiller so watch out" stare all the time? It's the actor completely. If you think that's creepy, wait until Christopher Gordon really gives his intended creep face- expect him to knock someone out/kill someone with Abby confused; his back to her. Slow tracking shot, panning up to his body turning around to face her and an over the top devilish smirk. - Who is the screaming man in the Week 2 trailer they showed us. (Is he under the Native American burial grounds that Jimmy used to take Abby?) John Wakefield/killer/spirit stand-in when the 15min pilot was filmed to sell it to CBS. - Why can't any of these people shoot a gun and why doesn't Wakefield fear a gun other than the fact that the actor must have read the next page in the script and KNno he didn't die? Major plot device of convenience. I get this and understand it, but gosh just a little more tweaking with the script to make it smarter. Adam (Cal) was pretty good at selling it though that you didn't notice the magic trick of horror movie cliche. For Harper's Globe fans -- - Who is this random dead person who was in front of Brent's House on Harper's Globe. Man, I never watched this -heard from you it was good. I'll catch it on the DVD. Any others to add to the list? What was Hunter going to tell Trish about if he didn't get money -moreso WHY Wellington wanted to stop the wedding. Obviously, it'll be about Henry and not that he was from the wrong side of the tracks -Trish already knew that. What happend to Henry's parents? Why was Uncle Marty raising them? Okay, I don't need those answered -just leading the most likely things that will come out in the finale -and Henry's sharp aim with a rifle. In projection, I would have said Sully lives with the exposition he had in the last episode -but I called Cal living from episode two on with all his fakeout deaths, And why I thought Chloe would get an epic chase and death, but still be alive after the final Abby/Henry showdown. So I don't think Sully will get a reprieve. He'll get offed while trying to get on the motor boat. And I don't think they're going to kill off Madison nor make her an orphan (her dad was fine to off because he was baaaaaad). Trish won't die either, she'll be her own woman, standing on her own two feet, and sharing a common bond with Abby now -there was allusions to jealousy and then kinship, and then distrust -comes together in the finale as unified. And per the sheriff's death, Jimmy lives to be with Abby.
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