Top 20 Survivor Blunders That Weren't Really Blunders (#5 Up!)

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YemaGrl1988		#141	[-]
Posts: 6327 (06/21/09 10:23 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dreamz is one of my favo survivors ever for that car moment. <3
King Lord		#142	[-]
Posts: 88 (06/21/09 11:07 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	9. Sandra refuses Trish and Jon's counter-alliance against Rupert (Pearl Islands) Conventional Wisdom: Sandra should have helped oust Rupert, the biggest threat in the game at that point. Rebuttal: First off, I would never argue that this wasn't a blunder merely because Sandra ended up winning, because winners can make mistakes (in fact, I'll cover this very topic in my next countdown, which is why I'm trying to finish this one). Next, I wouldn't argue that if Rupert had left that IC, then he'd end up returning as an outcast, because 1) we'll never know that with certainty and 2) the cast couldn't have anticipated the outcast twist, so it's a hindsight argument, a type I generally don't make. What I will argue is this: Yes, Rupert was the biggest threat, but he was loyal to Christa and Sandra, and loyalty in most circumstances trumps strength. Also, the merge wasn't guaranteed to happen at 10, so it makes sense to keep Rupert just in case. And yes, ousting Trish isolated Jon, but if Sandra had gone the other way, Christa would be isolated, so that cancels out. Plus, even if the merge happed right after that TC, the Morgan tribe hated Jon, so what alternative would he have? And let's not forget and Jon and Trish's mistakes compounding the situation: they should have secured Shawn's vote first, and approached Sandra just before TC to maximize the pressure. Bottom Line: There are many reasons that Sanda is not the most strategically satisfying winner, but this move isn't among them. Spoiler [+] No. 8 involves a nerd, the unheard, and the absurd
JackSparrowBauer		#143	[-]
Posts: 1470 (06/21/09 4:18 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It actually wasn't a bad move for Sandra to do that, since Rupert was so loyal to her. It was completely moronic for Shawn, though.
Drboboosh2		#144	[-]
Posts: 91 (06/21/09 10:32 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Shawn, what an idiot. It's soooo comical how he totally saves Rupert, but then still gets voted out before Fairplay at the next TC.
Thailandsurvivor		#145	[-]
Posts: 7413 (06/21/09 11:16 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I've never understood how Shawn left over Fairplay the very next day.
Kirblar		#146	[-]
Posts: 7991 (06/21/09 11:22 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: I've never understood how Shawn left over Fairplay the very next day. Because they figured Shawn and Burton would get back together since Burton was a lock to return after singlehandedly winning the Outcast challenge.
FarnsworthFan.fantasygamescen...		#147	[-]
Posts: 91 (06/22/09 1:29 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I tend to go easy on Shawn, solely because it's never smart to divide your tribe down the middle when a merge is likely next..Sadly for him that is what happens when you put all your eggs in the "we are merging @ 10" basket. Amy and Gary voting out Brian instead of going with his plan actually was a blunder I'd say, as it gave tribal majority to Danni/BJ/Brandon and put Amy/Gary as the next 2 on the chopping block to go if they lost again. It def was for Gary and granted I could be remembering it wrong, but I have always thought he made the call and Amy voted with him because she had no other choice. I could be very wrong though.
King Lord		#148	[-]
Posts: 90 (06/22/09 3:21 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	8. Rob C. votes off Christy, Heidi (Amazon) *Conventional Wisdom: Rob should have voted Jenna out F6 to break up a strong pair, -OR- should have voted out Jenna at F5, given how she won the last ICs. Rebuttal: A common argument against what Rob did at F6 was that he should have known Christy would never side with the 'evil stepsisters' in the end. And sure, Christy had displayed her disdain for Heidi and Jenna numerous times, but at this critical point, Christy (stupidly) was playing coy, and Rob's not clairvoyant, so he decided not to rely on the swing vote, a reasonable course of action. If Rob had made the F2, I doubt that Christy would have held it against him, especially if he were up against Matt, who would be just as culpable. The only risk in the plan was the slight possibility that Butch would ally with Heidi-Jenna at the F5 (perhaps his best move), but that was unlikely given Butch's relationship with Matt. And let's briefly address the F5 situation: I remember people suggesting immediately after the finale that Rob should voted Jenna off at F5, but that's purely a hindsight argument. At the time Rob made the decision, Jenna was sick and demoralized, while Heidi was still trying to play the game and was doing well in challenges. This information makes Heidi's removal a no-brainer. Bottom Line*: Post-show, Rob revealed himself to be an absolute tool, and future players (e.g. Cirie) would arguably take away his "best never to win" status. But in Amazon, he mostly made the right calls, including these two. Spoiler [+] No. 7 features a blonde, a brunette, and the biggest poseur ever Last Edited By: King Lord 07/01/09 3:12 AM. Edited 1 times.
The Purple Parrot		#149	[-]
Posts: 10541 (06/22/09 3:29 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'll never understand why anyone would EVER consider Sandra voting Trish out instead of Rupert a blunder. It would have absolutely been catastrophic for Sandra's game if she voted out Rupert at that point.
JackSparrowBauer		#150	[-]
Posts: 1498 (06/22/09 6:17 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	wtf how were those Rob C moves ever considered blunders?
Quiddity		#151	[-]
Posts: 5754 (06/22/09 7:46 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Anyone who says that Rob should have voted out Jenna at F5 is a jackass who is using purely the benefit of hindsight. 100% of the players in that position would have voted out Heidi given Jenna's state at the time. 100%. This is the first time I've ever heard someone even bring it up infact ^_^ Goes to show how great a move of Jenna's it was to give Heidi immunity at F6. Absolutely forced Rob to vote out Christy since he couldn't boot his new goat Jenna. I've heard Rob voting out Christy a mistake before, but like the above, thats a hindsight statement entirely. Christy was waffling way too much and Jenna's move forced him to vote her out.
King Lord		#152	[-]
Posts: 91 (07/01/09 1:22 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	7. Erinn doesn't form a counter-alliance with Coach, Debbie, Sierra at F7 (Tocantins) *Conventional Wisdom: Erinn should have assembled the remaining Timbiras to oust at least two Jalapaos. Rebuttal: I agree that the four remaining Timbiras forming a counter-alliance was the best move for all concerned, and personally, I would have loved to see it happen because I hated JT and wanted him ousted. But let's review what happened: while Erinn was on Exile, Debbie and Coach approached Sierra about the move, and Sierra stupidly refused them (although it was semi-understandable, as Debbie and Coach had voted for her at the last TC). Then, compounding the stupidity, Debbie and Coach not only needlessly bickered with Sierra, but also lied about what happened, dashing any hope of a counter-alliance. Erinn, upon discovering all this information, acted accordingly. Sure, she could have tried to convince the other three Timbiras, but (1) she was returning from Exile and thus had little time to persuade them, and (2) the persuasion attempt most likely wouldn't have worked anyway, given the mutual dislike all the parties had for each other, and given Coach habit of blabbing things to JT. Plus, JT and Stephen were already making a pre-emptive move, making a F4 deal with Coach and Debbie. Bottom Line*: I'm not an Erinn fan, but I do think that from the merge onward, Erinn generally made the right strategic calls, and did the best with the hand she was dealt. Spoiler [+] No. 6 inlvolves the elimination of a strong black woman Last Edited By: King Lord 07/01/09 1:42 AM. Edited 1 times.
goohst		#153	[-]
Posts: 673 (07/01/09 1:34 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	King Lord wrote: 7. Erinn doesn't form a counter-alliance with Coach, Debbie, Sierra at F7 (Tocantins) *Conventional Wisdom: Erinn should have assembled the remaining Timbiras to oust at least two Jalapaos. Rebuttal: I agree that the four remaining Timbiras forming a counter-alliance was the best move for all concerned, and personally, I would have loved to see it happen because I hated JT and wanted him ousted. But let's review what happened: while Erinn was on Exile, Debbie and Coach approached Sierra about the move, and Sierra stupidly refused them (although it was semi-understandable, as Debbie and Coach had voted for her at the last TC). Then, compounding the stupidity, Debbie and Coach not only needlessly bickered with Sierra, but also lied about what happened, dashing any hope of a counter-alliance. Erinn, upon discovering all this information, acted accordingly. Sure, she could have tried to convince the other three Timbiras, but (1) she was returning from Exile and thus had little time to persuade them, and (2) the persuasion attempt most likely wouldn't have worked anyway, given the mutual dislike all the parties had for each other, and given Coach habit of blabbing things to JT. Plus, JT and Stephen were already making a pre-emptive move, making a F4 deal with Coach and Debbie. Bottom Line*: I'm not an Erinn fan, but I do think that from the merge onward, Erinn generally made the right strategic calls, and did the best with the hand she was dealt. Spoiler [+] No. 6 inlvolves the elimination of a strong black woman THIS WAS NOT A MISTAKE FOR ERINN; SHE COULD PLAY EITHER SIDE AND DEFENDED IT. SIERRA WAS A SHITHEAD AND THE ONLY ONE AT FAULT HERE
FarnsworthFan.fantasygamescen...		#154	[-]
Posts: 113 (07/01/09 3:12 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	^ No, Debbie and Coach were not even smart enough to figure out that Erinn was no longer with them...something Sierra did figure out. Had Sierra committed and Erinn didn't, Sierra would still be under the bus but with less time to try and save herself. This move was completely Debbie's fault for being an unstable and emotional slut.
XtremeInnovator420		#155	[-]
Posts: 1750 (07/01/09 9:18 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hm, I'm guessing from the hint 6 would be Ulong booting Jolanda? I actually think that WAS a mistake and that Ashlee/Kim should've gone that round, but I could be wrong about that being next on the list.
JackSparrowBauer		#156	[-]
Posts: 1546 (07/01/09 9:34 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Erinn did nothing wrong there. It was all Coach/Debbie/Sierra's faults, but I blame Sierra because she's a leech and Coach and Debbie are both g.oddesses <3.
goohst		#157	[-]
Posts: 676 (07/01/09 10:22 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	FarnsworthFan wrote: ^ No, Debbie and Coach were not even smart enough to figure out that Erinn was no longer with them...something Sierra did figure out. Had Sierra committed and Erinn didn't, Sierra would still be under the bus but with less time to try and save herself. This move was completely Debbie's fault for being an unstable and emotional slut. That makes completely no sense, whatsoever, especially considering when Sierra refused, Debbie changed plans and kicked Sierra's ass to the curb. And they definitely knew Erinn had flipped. Debbie had the awareness to know that this was a move that could work, especially considering Sierra was on the block and Erinn was always looking to move up, so jumping to an alliance with the two people left in the game she could beat (Coach and Sierra) would be benefitial to her.
Oowatanite		#158	[-]
Posts: 7869 (07/01/09 5:22 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	King Lord wrote: 7. Erinn doesn't form a counter-alliance with Coach, Debbie, Sierra at F7 (Tocantins) Umm ......... could you direct me to the posts/threads that argue that Erinn made a blunder in this case ? And the Sandra one as well. I think you're REALLY grasping at straws here for your "listing".
ncassaro		#159	[-]
Posts: 1373 (07/01/09 5:25 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I understand Debbie reaching her breaking point with Sierra, as Sierra was clearly more obnoxious than ever after Brendan left. But Debbie needed to swallow her pride and keep working on Sierra. She went all the way to "you don't want to work with us? Fine, bye you stupid bitch" way too fast. Understandable, but if Debbie/Coach truly knew Erinn had flipped to the Jalapaos... that doesn't make sense because Debbie/Coach thought THEY were with the Jalapaos, so I don't think they did. Yeah, Erinn was pretty much up a shit creek. She should have gotten Timbira back together, but it really was not possible. And in the end it ended up not mattering because she had a 2/3 chance of being in the final two and may have even beat Stephen. BTW I'm gonna guess the next one is Crystal not voting out Matty. But I do think that was a blunder, so should be interesting if I'm right.
CSCin3D		#160	[-]
Posts: 12245 (07/01/09 5:30 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Erinn is a stupid fugly bitch who needs to DIAF. That is all.

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