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scepticA wrote:

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I'm with Oo. (Alert the media.) Ben's time at Exile Sand Dune was edited as a joke - he was a self-absorbed buffoon. In fact, I thought the editing was almost too OTT. Now, does presenting someone as the biggest fool in survivor history (I'm using the classical definition of fool, i.e. deranged but harmless) mean it was an N moment?

Why, yes it does. N doesn't necessarily mean "mean." It can also mean, "Look at this delusional idiot, point your finger, and laugh at him."

I viewed his IC performance and collapse into the fetal position in the same way. The fact that Stephen et al. expressed concern was something I viewed as P for Stephen without any spillover of Stephen's P-ness onto Ben. And the fact that JT thought bad thoughts about Erinn only means that JT thought bad thoughts about Erinn. But even if JT's comments were designed to make us think, "Hey, Ben is really onto something here," why does that translate to P? If one player says, for example, "I think Player A is a bitch," and another player whom we highly regard agrees with that assessment, where is the P in that for either one?

I think folks are looking at M all wrong, as if the slightest evidence of P can equal a huge amount of N. Even if you do see emanations from the penumbra of P in Ben's edit it doesn't begin to equal the editing N he got. M is supposed to be "a bunch of P and a bunch of N," not "any P (or conversely any N) in an edit whose tone is overwhelmingly the opposite."

scepticA wrote:

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Sorry, Oo, but from what I gather, "Shamrock" is a person with an alarming affection for Erinn. Not me, pal.