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twonyx |
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I didn't dislike Michael because he killed two people. I wish I could do whatever it would take to save my kids. But, the fact that once he got home with
Walt, he dropped him off with his mother and didn't stick around to raise him lost all my respect for him.
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cindidindi76 |
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I watched Solitary. Was it ever explained why Sayid told Danielle Nadia was dead? The writers changed their minds. I dont buy that Sayid thought Nadia was dead, since we got a FB of why he ended up on 815 and that reason was because he was doign some shit for the po-po because they knew where Nadia was. Therefore, he knew she was alive. |
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FeliciaM7 |
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Exactly. He was on his way to see her when the plane crashed. Continuity error that was never addressed I guess.
But, the fact that once he got home with Walt, he dropped him off with his mother and didn't stick around to raise him lost all my respect for him.He did the right thing, I think. He was consumed with guilt and didn't want Walt subjected to that. And he probably didn't want a kid around while he was busy trying to kill himself either. |
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yoshi |
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FeliciaM7 wrote:I don't think I ever said that I like Jack more than Sawyer. Actually, Sawyer is pretty meh to me, although I'm liking him more this season. And I absolutely agree with you regarding Sawyer's murder of the food stand guy. Which leads me to another point, actually. The more I think about it, the less I like what Jacob did when he went influenced the 815'ers in the past. By giving Sawyer a pen, he encouraged him to go ahead with vengeance rather than move on with his life like his uncle (??) suggested he do. Same with Kate--she should have faced the music then and maybe it would've lead her down a different path. I know he was basically trying to give them a choice, because even with the pen Sawyer could've decided to go down the other path and not finish the letter. Jacob will probably turn out to be the good guy of the two ancient guys, but I wouldn't be surprised if the opposite is the case. [Another possibility is that neither are good or evil, they're just playing a game and the job of the 815'ers in season 6 will be to figure out how to stop being pawns--refuse to play.] |
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Cheyenie |
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I thought Jacob's actions were done so that those people would end up on the island.
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yoshi |
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Oh, I definitely agree with that. My point is that these people would've been better off had Jacob just left them alone. Of course, it gets confusing what with the time travel. They had to be touched in the 80s and 90s so they could land on the island in the 2000s and eventually end up going back to the island in the 70s so they could make the things happen that lead up to them being touched in the 80s and 90s. |
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yukugajoob |
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FeliciaM7 wrote:Yep, I forgot about that. Only watched all the eps once until now so that detail slipped my mind. Carry on. :-) |
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FeliciaM7 |
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yoshi - I think I need to read your last post again.
The more I think about it, the less I like what Jacob did when he went influenced the 815'ers in the past. By giving Sawyer a pen, he encouraged him to go ahead with vengeance rather than move on with his life like his uncle (??) suggested he do. Same with Kate--she should have faced the music then and maybe it would've lead her down a different path. I know he was basically trying to give them a choice, because even with the pen Sawyer could've decided to go down the other path and not finish the letter. Jacob will probably turn out to be the good guy of the two ancient guys, but I wouldn't be surprised if the opposite is the case. [Another possibility is that neither are good or evil, they're just playing a game and the job of the 815'ers in season 6 will be to figure out how to stop being pawns--refuse to play.]I guess the answer to that is if Jacob hadn't influenced them and they'd taken different paths, they wouldn't have been on 815 and we wouldn't have a show. ; ) I'm hoping Jacob is the good guy because he's been this mysterious mystical figure for so long that I built him up to be special. The part I bolded could very well be exactly right. That's interesting... I don't think I ever said that I like Jack more than Sawyer.No, what I said was I thought you posted you liked Sawyer but not Jack.. then I went on to question the Sawyer vs Michael thing. I got you mixed up with yukugajoob. |
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FeliciaM7 |
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Only watched all the eps once until now so that detail slipped my mind.Yeah, me too. But I remembered that because it irked me after seeing The Greater Good. I wondered why the hell he said Nadia was dead. |
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cindidindi76 |
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I still stick by the reason I said when it happened.
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yukugajoob |
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Our schedule says Eps 7 - 9 and the abc site says those eps are "Solitary," "Raised by Another," and "All the Best Cowboys..." so
that's what I watched.
Solitary: Not much to say except Danielle tells Sayid she hasn't seen other people - only heard them - but she saw Ben take Alex. Writing continuity error or intentional misleading by Danielle? Raised by Another: 1. Is the psychic the dad of the miracle girl that Eko went to investigate? 2. Psychic says Claire has a "goodness" and then later she aligns with Christian. This would imply (or at least I infer from this) that Christian is "good." 3. Psychic says her baby needs her protection and there is great danger if she gives it up. Then he books her a flight on 815. DID he know, as Claire suspects? All the Best Cowboys: 1. This is the ep where I think I started hating Jack. Sayid needs medical attention but he chases off after Claire/Charlie - something Locke could do better. Yes, he may have already treated Sayid, but he would have served the group best by staying available for medical care. Locke even makes this point saying "I don't want our only physician injured" or something to that effect. And Jack ignores this statement with a snide "Can we go now?" What an arrogant ass! And he has no clue how to track! He's running and stumbling through the jungle, probably destroying anything Kate could use to actually track. 2. 3. We find out later Walt is "special." He says his other dad told him he was the luckiest kid he'd ever known. And he keeps rolling exactly what he needs to win the game. Was he unknowingly controlling the dice? 4. How did Locke know it would rain in one minute? Weather training he may have taken for his walkabout? Or a case of Esau within him? 5. Why did Jack "hear" Claire but not Kate? It seems every 3rd or 4th ep has a lot of stuff in it for me, but the ones in between are just "meh." And I think we'll have a lot more to analyze in S2. |
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FeliciaM7 |
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Not much to say except Danielle tells Sayid she hasn't seen other people - only heard them - but she saw Ben take Alex. Writing continuity error or intentional misleading by Danielle?I noticed that, too. Another error. 1. Is the psychic the dad of the miracle girl that Eko went to investigate?Yeah. Her name is Charlotte. I never hated Jack, but great surprise there. Sayid lived. The only physician lived.. and went on to save Charlie later. So all is well. :) I don't hate ANY of the characters. (let's forget Keamy and Phil...) |
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yukugajoob |
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I'll grant that Jack saved Charlie and Kate would not have, given that she was begging Jack to stop. However, it's not as if Jack knew Charlie was
hanging and needed to be saved. What he DID know was that there was someone who was injured and the point had already been made that he was too important to
the group to risk injury. This is just the first instance, but it will be seen again and again that Jack always seems to be the guy who just has to be the one
in charge, the one who has to make the decisions, even when he's wrong. I don't recall a specific instance where he ever admitted he was wrong or
apologized. I may be proven wrong in future eps, but that's what I remember at this point.
Now, let me be very clear. This has nothing to do with Matthew Fox. Obviously he's an accomplished actor to make me hate this character so much. And it's not as if I don't care about Jack. I do. I want to know what happens to him, why he's like he is, what is going on inside his arrogant, self-absorbed, "right" mind all the time. But he's still a jerk. I will say, also, that he redeemed himself a bit (a tiny bit) in the second half of last season when he took a back seat to Sawyer. And that's not about Sawyer being my fave character, it's about Jack allowing ANYONE else to show some leadership. |
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aslanscubs |
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I don't think Danielle saying she had never seen anyone else an error. I think Danielle was just trying to protect Alex.
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FeliciaM7 |
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I was just thinking about that. We didn't find out Alex was a girl OR that she was kidnapped. Danielle couldn't very well say "I haven't seen
anyone since that bug-eyed dude took my daughter" without giving away info for future episodes.
Not an error. |
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aunttallulah |
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FeliciaM7 wrote:HE actually told Walt what he did. He admited it to Tom in the Kevin Johnson episode. That's what makes it horrible & non-redeeming. He couldn't deal with the fact he had killed anf admitted it to Walt. It's one thing to save your child, but to burden your child with that information is awful. Imagine saying to your child " I killed these two women to free the other. If you hadn't been taken, I wouldn't have had to do it." He may not have said it like that, but Walt is smart & might take it that way. |
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yukugajoob |
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aslanscubs wrote: Ah, yes, a possibility I had not considered! |
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twonyx |
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aunttallulah wrote: Plus, prior to boarding the flight while in the Austrian airport - Micheal was on the phone with his mother talking about her taking Walt in. After all he went through to get some sort of custody of Walt, he wasn't able to step in and raise him. I think this was repeated in him fighting to get Walt back from the others (like his ex-wife) only to drop him off at grandma's. |
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FeliciaM7 |
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Plus, prior to boarding the flight while in the Austrian airport - Micheal was on the phone with his mother talking about her taking Walt in.If China acted like Walt did in that hotel, I'd be calling my mama for help, too. But do you really think he would have given him up if the plane hadn't crashed? No. I agree that Mike telling Walt he killed two people was kind of crazy. Michael wasn't operating on all 4 cylinders. Walt should know the truth - the kid was wise beyond his years. But he shouldn't have to deal with thinking it was all HIS fault. He seemed to be a well-adjusted teen when Locke went to see him so I'm guessing he's ok. I never said Michael didn't do dumb shit. I said I understood and never hated him. My mind's not likely to change on that. |
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aunttallulah |
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FeliciaM7 wrote:I am also a Michael fan. It wasn't until the lsat few episodes that I didn't like him. Harold Parrineau is a great actor and did a wonderful job in the role. I have watched the seasons more times then I can count and he always made me feel something for Michael. |
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