So, females should always make all girl alliances going forward?

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SurvivorNinja		#61	[-]
Posts: 826 (05/21/09 9:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Purple Parrot wrote: I don't care what anybody says, Erinn did NOT play hard enough. Her strategy was "well, I'll get to the final 4 and then take it from there." That essentially put her in fourth place and she got lucky that JT and Stephen were more afraid of Taj winning than Erinn and gave her third. She could have done more to switch back and forth between alliances but she didn't. She really couldn't have done much more than she did I don't think. She got herself to the merge with immunity wins, Jerry sick, etc. Final 10 she tried to jump to Jalepao through Joe but he was injured. She stuck with the majority in taking down Brendan. She then officially flipped to the Jalepao 3 to take out Tyson. At 7, though we didn't see her make a move to flip..there was no way Sierra and Coach/Debbie were teaming back up no matter what so sticking the the Jalepao's was her best bet. At 6 she could have tried to flip back to Timbera but Debbie was targeting Coach so it'd have been pointless..also Jalepao had the HII and could have used it. At 5 she didn't have the numbers to flip so she stuck with her majoirty and ti got her F4. At 4 she could have easily been taking out, but Stephen/JT's paranoia and her planing a seed got her third where as many have said she had Stephen taking her to F2 and made a great argument for JT to take her, but unfortunately for her, through it all, JT was fartoo loyal to Stephen and she was knocked out. If you don't mind me asking. exactly how could she have flip flopped to better her position and when?
GrenadeJumper85		#62	[-]
Posts: 10420 (05/22/09 10:17 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The reason girls keep sucking is because the girls they keep casting are dumb bimbo's just there for eye candy who have no clue how to play the game. Less Sugar's, Sydney's, Mary's, Kelly's, more Tina, Cirie, Teresa, Tracy, Ami, Eliza etc., type female players.
paques		#63	[-]
Posts: 233 (05/22/09 2:08 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	From my perspective, Parvati was the only aggressive / in total control female winner in the history of Survivor, and she needed a second season to accomplished that. Being aggresive and taking control is the only way that a female can be respected as a good schemer, but she also needs to face another woman at the end.
WylDawg		#64	[-]
Posts: 18241 (05/22/09 2:22 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Purple Parrot wrote: I don't care what anybody says, Erinn did NOT play hard enough. Her strategy was "well, I'll get to the final 4 and then take it from there." That essentially put her in fourth place and she got lucky that JT and Stephen were more afraid of Taj winning than Erinn and gave her third. She could have done more to switch back and forth between alliances but she didn't. Thanks, I finally got through to someone here. And for everyone saying that she was at the bottom of the totem pole and couldn't do anything about it........how about not getting yourself there in the first place? Danni's situational was just as hopeless, perhaps even more and she pulled it out. I'm sure if Erinn was a guy, people would call "him" a strategic retard and we wouldn't even be having this conversation. I don't recall people here coming at the defense of Matty, Boo and other guys who got far but drew the short straw in the end. They have penises, so why bother making a case for them?
LKMOSCAR		#65	[-]
Posts: 6549 (05/22/09 2:52 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Those people sucked and Erinn is <3. There's a difference.
Katy Carney		#66	[-]
Posts: 6159 (05/22/09 2:52 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	WylDawg wrote: Danni's situational was just as hopeless, perhaps even more and she pulled it out. What a horrible comparison for your case. Danni only got the finals by winning the F3 challenge, otherwise she would have been third against an unbreakable pair just like Erinn.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#67	[-]
Posts: 8037 (05/22/09 3:09 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	paques wrote: From my perspective, Parvati was the only aggressive / in total control female winner in the history of Survivor, and she needed a second season to accomplished that. Being aggresive and taking control is the only way that a female can be respected as a good schemer, but she also needs to face another woman at the end. What about Tina?
craig		#68	[-]
Posts: 15711 (05/22/09 3:19 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Her strategy was "well, I'll get to the final 4 and then take it from there." That essentially put her in fourth place and she got lucky that JT and Stephen were more afraid of Taj winning No, she was planting seeds that Taj was a popularity threat since early postmerge, and had a F2 deal with Stephen that he intended to keep (unlike his deals with JT and Taj). Erinn badly outplayed all the other women in the game (not to mention the Timbira guys). Debbie - the passive Stepford wife of Tyson and Coach until it was too late. Sierra - the passive Exile Alliance member who ended up outcast by all Taj - the passive Jal who admits in interviews that she stopped playing postmerge and was content with 3rd. Erinn still didn't have the social or athletic skills to control the game or win (just a hairdresser getting over a painful break-up), but she's a plucky underdog who maximized what she had. Much like Susie or Cassie or Lillian. Probably the first young female to (a) get that badly outcast premerge but (b) still have the strategic moxy to get herself that far in the endgame. Last Edited By: craig 05/22/09 3:24 PM. Edited 1 times.
chapera rocks		#69	[-]
Posts: 11173 (05/22/09 4:22 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't care what anybody says, Erinn did NOT play hard enough. Her strategy was "well, I'll get to the final 4 and then take it from there." That essentially put her in fourth place and she got lucky that JT and Stephen were more afraid of Taj winning than Erinn and gave her third. She could have done more to switch back and forth between alliances but she didn't. Waiting for the final 4 and taking it from there ... ??? Which is why she had been plotting with Stephen behind JT and Taj's back since day TWO of the merge. And JT was afraid of Taj winning. Stephen has said in interviews that Taj winning was NOT the reason he voted her out at four, only what he used as an excuse. And for everyone saying that she was at the bottom of the totem pole and couldn't do anything about it........how about not getting yourself there in the first place? Yeah, so because she got herself in a bad position, she should just roll over and die? She's admitted that she floundered the first few days, but from then on she did what she should have. Can't change the past, you can only work forward. Dur.
JLK Name		#70	[-]
Posts: 1659 (05/23/09 11:49 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	what are you guys talking about? Stephen is a female and JT is clearly a butch.
OrsNaz		#71	[-]
Posts: 151 (05/23/09 11:53 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Quiddity wrote: OrsNaz wrote: ~~Sierra or~~ Erinn didn't have much to work with this season. Everyone was too unpredictable and illogical on the Timbira tribe. What they did worked best for them. Fixed. Sierra definately could have made things better for herself by realizing at F7 that 4 > 3. Instead she ruined any change of the Timbira's teaming up and finished 7th. Erinn to her credit worked very hard, and got third, in a scenario where the vast majority of the time she'd be in F2 as well. The reason the mutiny was a bad move on Candace's part because she had 2 alliances willing to take her to the end. Remember before the mutiny she had a final 3 alliance with Yul/Becky. If Candace had waited until the merge she could have picked and chosen which alliance to go with depending on how the game was going. By mutinying she made herself enemy number one. It isn't a smart move to limit the number of alliances that you can place yourself in. X. Candace was in a terrific position, had Jonathan and Ozzy below her on Aitu, could very easily swap to Adam & Parvati at the merge, and threw it all away because she couldn't wait a few more days until the merge. LOL..Who is to say Erinn would have flipped back with out timbira members? Either way Erinn would have been looking at 4th, and at least she would have been with ppl she liked which was the jalapao three. Plus, they promised her final 3.
The Very Insane Shark		#72	[-]
Posts: 4157 (05/24/09 7:44 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Katy Carney wrote: WylDawg wrote: Danni's situational was just as hopeless, perhaps even more and she pulled it out. What a horrible comparison for your case. Danni only got the finals by winning the F3 challenge, otherwise she would have been third against an unbreakable pair just like Erinn. Aye. Danni benefited greatly from winning that final immunity and Stephenie and Rafe being retarded by voting Lydia out over her in the F4.
The Purple Parrot		#73	[-]
Posts: 10309 (05/24/09 8:53 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I didn't know that "plotting" was considered a real strategy. If that's the case, Merhag plotted just as much and was seen as a waaaaaaaay stronger player than Erinn by the others. I liked Erinn, I liked her a lot, but the fact is she was not playing to win. In fact, Tocantins has to be the absolute worst season ever for strategy.
Mikester		#74	[-]
Posts: 2475 (05/24/09 9:00 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Purple Parrot wrote: I didn't know that "plotting" was considered a real strategy. If that's the case, Merhag plotted just as much and was seen as a waaaaaaaay stronger player than Erinn by the others. I liked Erinn, I liked her a lot, but the fact is she was not playing to win. In fact, Tocantins has to be the absolute worst season ever for strategy. Of course she was playing to win. Erinn was one of the few players who was playing for herself and not for JT. What could Erinn have done differently? I don't get it. She flipped on Timbira to Jalapao at the merge to get herself from 6th to 4th and then was even able to turn the boys against Taj at the f4, for whatever reason. JT winning immunity was seriously the only sceanrio where Erinn doesn't make the f2, and even then she worked it to try and get him to keep her. I seriously have no idea what else Erinn should have done to prove that she was playing the game. little screen-time =/= little strategy. As proved by Coach.

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