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Well, if they did that, I can pretty much guarantee Amber doesn't win All-Stars (since Rob would win the IC like he did), and that Jon would still go third
in Pearl Islands, that's for sure, lol.
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DrewB |
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This is definitely a difficult decision, but I would have to say that when I first read the thread the episode that stuck out in my mind was "Shark
Attack," the third episode of All-Stars, mostly for the reasons that the original poster mentioned. I wasn't a huge fan of Jenna during her time on
Amazon -- I did like her and I was fine with her winning, but I just wasn't her biggest fan -- but the moment in All-Stars in which she decides to leave
the game is probably the most emotional moment of the series for me personally. The music is just 100% perfect and I think that is one of the times where I
have personally felt the most "connected" to one of the castaways. Plus the rest of the episode is entertaining as well, so yeah . . . that gets my
vote.
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WylDawg |
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8. Exile Island - Episode 13 (Courtney is Voted Off) Such an underrated episode to an underrated season. It had two of the funniest moments of all time. Shane: "I'm gonna go down to your shitty appartement and fucking kill you!" Courtney: "Why do you say I have a shitty appartement?" And of course Courtney singing to ease Bruce's pain. "Don't!" |
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Thailandsurvivor |
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dragoondaniel78 wrote: Pirate Master worked out so well. If you people are really complaining about the final IC winner holding too much power, then try to get rid of the challenge in general. |
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kenc333 |
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Some of my favourite episodes:
Marquesas - John boot Amazon - Roger boot Amazon - Finale Pearl Islands - Tijuana boot Exile Island - Courtney boot China - James boot China - Peih-Gee boot Micronesia - Ozzy boot Micronesia - Jason boot Micronesia - Alexis boot Micronesia - Erik boot Gabon - Marcus boot |
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astroline |
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It's already mentioned, but I'd have to say "Exile Island" in Palau too. Definitely the most unique episode, if not the best.
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Thailandsurvivor |
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kenc333 wrote:Worst episode of all time. I can somewhat understand people liking that TC, but the rest of the episode was an embarrassment to the franchise. James leaving in a less emotional MedEvac than Joe, the worst family visit ever, and Amanda digging for the idol for 20 minutes was not entertainment. |
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Merely |
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LISTING EPISODE NUMBERS IS USELESS WITHOUT DESCRIPTIONS
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beatles20147 |
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tullfan2 wrote:As thailandsurvivor said, this happened in Pirate Master and it had the exact opposite result--the equivalent of the jury voted out the clear-cut "best" player because of bitterness. As disappointing as it was to see Amber win All-Stars, can anyone really argue that Jenna Lewis played a better game that season and/or would have been a more satisfying winner? Too often a deserving player (Rob C., Kathy, Terry, Cirie) gets voted out. Viewers deserve to see two deserving players battle it out as often as possible. But that's part of the game. If the producers decide to pick and choose "deserving" players (a concept that never has and never will have any place in Survivor) to sit in the finals, they might as well just decide the winner without having a jury in the first place. Final three positioning is a key part of this game; the best players (Rich, Tina, Brian) place themselves in situations where they're either with two competitors who will take them to the end or virtually guaranteed to win the last challenge. There's a delicate balance between being being good and being "too good," as Kathy and Rob C could attest to. And again--who decides who's "deserving"? I'd certainly say Kathy is the best player in Marquesas, but Vee and Neleh played excellently as well. You can't detract that from them. I would rather see an interesting Tribal Council between two deserving players (eg. Yul vs. Ozzy) than a boring and predictable outcome where someone trounces a goat. In those situations, I'd rather they just eliminate the jury questioning and just have the jury vote for the winner. The jury questioning is the best part of someone trouncing a goat! And the Cook Islands final TC is easily the blandest of all time. I would much rather have 20 minutes of entertaining speeches and questions in a predictable Tom/Katie situation than a snooze-worthy Yul/Ozzy love-fest with 30 seconds of suspense as the votes are read. The producers changed from a Final 2 to a Final 3 because there were 4 consecutive seasons of lopsided victories. Is 5-2 really all that lopsided? All it takes is one person switching their vote to make it 4-3. I also think that anyone who quits or pro-offers a deal instead of finishing a challenge should be disqualified. The producers should have added that as a rule after Hatch did it. Anyone who voluntarily quits a challenge should not win. Choosing to do that that is such an obvious decision that I don't consider it to be great strategy. Why? That doesn't make any sense. It's a valid method of playing--and in fact was attempted by Cesternino who you singled out as a deserving player. Besides, anyone can easily throw a challenge, especially an endurance one, without making it look like it's on purpose. One of the biggest appeals of Survivor is that there is no clear-cut way of winning the game; it all depends on the variables of a given season. By regulating who and what is allowed to win, the show would not be nearly as appealing or interesting. As to the topic at hand...I (cheap plug) ranked the top 50 episodes pre-Micronesia, and the results begin here. The episodes since then that have really impressed me would probably be the Jason and Erik boots in Micronesia (maybe the finale too); the GC, Marcus, Randy, and Crystal boots in Gabon; and the Brendan boot this season. |
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tullfan2 |
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Thailandsurvivor wrote: Pirate Master is not a valid comparison. The winner was not determined by a jury but was determined by whoever found the last $500K treasure in the final expedition. Many people were pissed off that Jay lost but if the same cast had been on Survivor and Jay made the Final 2, Jay would still have lost because he played a poor social game and the Pirate Master cast overall did not want a weasel to win. One could argue that if Jay knew that the ghost tribe was going to vote someone out at Final 3 then he would have played differently. The point is that the reason that the ghost tribe voting someone out at Final 3 was deemed unfair was because it was a surprise twist that the cast didn't know about. Survivor is a different situation. The contestants know that the jury holds the power to determine the winner. It is not a surprise. If a Finalist plays in a manner which pisses off most of the jury then it doesn't matter whether or not the jury votes that person out at Final 3 or Final 2. That person will lose in either case. |
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tullfan2 |
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As thailandsurvivor said, this happened in Pirate Master and it had the exact opposite result--the equivalent of the jury voted out the clear-cut "best" player because of bitterness.If a contestant plays in a manner which pisses off the jury then that person is not the 'best' player (see Mariano). That so-called 'best' player will still lose whether he or she is voted out by the jury at Final 3 or Final 2. Sucks overall has a misconception about the game, its not just about strategy and making moves to vote people out. The jury ultimately determines the winner and getting the jury to vote for you is just as important or perhaps even more important than strategy. The jury questioning is the best part of someone trouncing a goat! And the Cook Islands final TC is easily the blandest of all time. I would much rather have 20 minutes of entertaining speeches and questions in a predictable Tom/Katie situation than a snooze-worthy Yul/Ozzy love-fest with 30 seconds of suspense as the votes are read.I guess it depends upon what one prefers to see. You have the entire season to see contestants ragging on each other. I'd rather forgo 20 minutes (I don't think that it is that long anymore) of seeing the jury trouncing a goat and having Probst reading the votes be anti-climactic in place of 2 worthy contestants (by 'worthy', I mean that both contestants have a chance to win) giving their best effort in persuading the jury to vote for him/her over the other contestant and have Probst read the final votes be suspenseful, I definitely would have preferred seeing a Tom/Ian Final 2 over a Tom/Katie Final 2 or a Yul/Ozzy Final 2 over a Yul/Becky Final 2. Is 5-2 really all that lopsided? All it takes is one person switching their vote to make it 4-3. Well, the producers considered it lopsided enough to change from a Final 2 to a Final 3. As disappointing as it was to see Amber win All-Stars, can anyone really argue that Jenna Lewis played a better game that season and/or would have been a more satisfying winner? If the jury votes for Jenna Lewis over Rob or Amber, then Jenna played better that season period. I thought that Amber played a better game than Rob and if I were on the jury, I would have voted for Amber over Rob. Again, Rob is too much of an egomanic to realize that with the final decision, the jury (and not Rob) holds all the power. Probst repeats this every season. The jury can vote for whomever they want and for whatever reason they want. In 17 seasons, I immediately thought that the jury made the right decision in 16 out of 17 seasons. The only exception was Amazon and after I thought about it a bit, I agreed with their decision to award Morasca the million dollars. What I was trying to say in my original post is that I would have preferred that the producers had left well enough alone and kept the Final 2 rather than go to a Final 3. But they became dissatisfied with it and made the change because the reading of the final votes had become anti-climactic. In my initial post, my original intention was suggesting that the producers could have retained the Final 2 and had the jury rather than the final 3 IC winner vote out the last juror and it would have eliminated their objections.
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Thailandsurvivor wrote:This. |
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bloom |
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WylDawg wrote:I can't get enough of this episode. I watch over and over again and it still makes me laugh. Courtney: "Bruce med'evaced, is the cherry on the top of the fudge of my Poopo day".... * pun alert* Aras, Cirie, Danielle (commenting on Bruce being stuck alone on the island with Shane and Courtney while they're on reward):" Poor Bruce." , cut directly to Bruce needing medical attention. (nicely edited) |
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survivorfanfromaustralia |
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blindsides are awesome, so pretty much any episode with a blindside, with the exception of ozzy's that kinda sucked (but still an awesome blindside), and
episode 7 of panama......useless la mina had all the chances in the world to get numerical advantage with a brittle casaya, a worried bruce AND terry's
hidden immunity idol....how they didnt pull ANYONE over was useless but good since i loved casaya....oh and jamies paranoia leading to his axing (blindside) in
guatemala
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JLK Name |
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WylDawg wrote: CRAZY! They need to put all the crazy survivors in one season (Courtney, Kathleen, Shane, Coach, Sandy and many more) |
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EPR2012 |
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JLK Name wrote: haha! ya i made a post a while back about an all "Crazy/Insane" tribe!! Would be sooo much fun |
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Quiddity |
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Well, the producers considered it lopsided enough to change from a Final 2 to a Final 3. They switched it to F3 because Terry came in third. It wouldn't have mattered whether Aras/Danielle was 7-0, 6-1, 5-2 or 4-3, they still would have changed it. Exile Island was not an obvious finish (well for those unspoiled anyway) because you didn't know how Sally and Austin were going to vote. Anyone who calls that ending predictable in hindsight either read spoilers or is lying. |
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JackSparrowBauer |
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What Quid said. I didn't think it was predictable at all. I was surprised to see Danielle in the Final 2, and I was even more surprised that Aras won,
because going into the Final 4, I didn't think there was any way that neither Cirie or Terry wouldn't win. Panama's actually a really good season,
imo, and I don't get all the hate.
Jeff says the Final 3 is to prevent someone from winning the F3IC and taking a goat to the finals with them and winning, but that's a really sucky argument, seeing as the winner of the challenge only won in Thailand (where Brian almost lost), Amazon, Vanuatu (but Chris was probably going to win either way), Palau (which doesn't count since Ian quit), and Guatemala (where Danni was going to win either way). I just wish the Final 3 never happened. |
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tullfan2 |
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Quiddity wrote: It was obvious (to me anyway) that Aras would beat Danielle. Danielle had some negative aspects to her edit that are not generally shown for someone who wins. Shane criticized her for being lazy and not working much around camp. Bobby called her an idiot. Aras was portrayed as a golden boy and Terry's main rival. I don't recall anyone having anything bad to say about Aras for the entire season. Aras had his conflicts with Terry but in most of their differences he was right. The only time that Aras screwed up was when he said that Terry was biased against women but he later apologized. I would have been shocked if Danielle had won over Aras.
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chapera rocks |
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Strategically, Danielle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aras.
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