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Pahrump Mania |
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If the economy gets worse the Dems will be out in 4 years, completely. And there's no chance that the economy will get better with our massive debt and the
coming inflation. Obama's policies have already assured that, and if cap and trade is ever passed we're beyond fucked. But, of course, you liberals can
come up with a great example of a thriving socialist economy and prove me wrong.
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UrbanSprawl |
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B DeBrun wrote: Yayyy!!! Finally a valid criticism of Obama's administration. And it only took 100 days to get there. lol |
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UrbanSprawl |
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Pahrump Mania wrote: You're intelligence has seemingly reached stasis. Read my posts! Learn and grow! When the economy is bad, you lower taxes and increase spending immediately to kick-start the economic recovery. We've done this before in history and it's been a huge success. In fact, much of our middle-class affluence today can be directly attributed to the New Deals and Great Societies. When the economy is strong and sound, you raise taxes and cut spending. Thus, the government's policy must always be in synch and respond to our economic situation. If you're for never spending ever, you're going to turn your recessions into depressions and make them last interminably. And if you're against economic regulation, you have the values of stocks and companies fall off cliffs as long-term securities are exchanged for individuals' windfall profits. And the economic fallout would effect every American- even those with no money on the stock market. There's a lot of positive signs that our economy will rebound and is rebounding. If Obama's economic policy was flawed in anyway, it was only that not enough money was put into the economy. But, then again, this is only the first 100 days. (As far as taxing people who pollute our land/air/water, I have one thing to say: about friggin time! lol Of course every company is going to externalize their costs on the environment, but WE're paying for it. Modernize your company or pay Americans if you want to pollute.) |
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meatball77 |
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So Far, Obama Remains Popular With PublicPoll Finds Reservations About Policies on Terrorism and Deficit, but Tentative Backing for Health-Care and Energy OverhaulsWASHINGTON -- A hundred days into his presidency, Barack Obama's standing with the public remains high, increasing the odds he can enact his ambitious agenda. Most Americans like their new president, even amid some reservations about his policy goals, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds. The poll paints the image of a popular president, but also offers cautionary notes for the White House, including growing worry over the rising federal deficit, a solid majority opposing his release of Bush-era memos on interrogation techniques and slipping support for his signature economic-stimulus bill. Mr. Obama faces both a rising number of people who view him as a liberal rather than a moderate, and a populist concern that he's not tough enough on Wall Street. There is early, tentative support for some of Mr. Obama's most complex policy goals, including health-care and energy overhauls, and support for most of the major moves he's already made. But the poll also finds that the president himself is more popular than his policies, a divide that may catch up with him as Congress begins debate over the big issues in earnest. The poll finds yet another jump in the portion of the public that sees the nation headed in the right direction, despite the continued hard times, to the point where survey participants are now evenly divided between those who see things going in the right direction, and those who believe things are on the wrong track. That's the most optimistic finding in more than five years, and it suggests that the president himself is injecting this optimism into people, and that his own job approval numbers are likely to stay strong, pollsters say. For the Republican opposition, the poll had scant good news. By a wide margin, the public is more likely to blame congressional Republicans for any gridlock. Overall, more than half of those surveyed say the president is off to a great or good start, and nearly six in 10 say he's accomplished a great deal or a fair amount. And 61% of people approve of the job Mr. Obama is doing as president, better ratings than George W. Bush or Bill Clinton had at the 100-day mark. Even more -- 64% -- see him in a positive light, though on this measure of popularity, he's lost some ground with both independents and Republicans. The survey of 1,005 adults was conducted April 23-26 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points for the full sample. "This poll shows presidential leadership," says Bill McInturff, a Republican pollster who conducts the survey with Democrat Peter D. Hart. "After 100 days, he has the latitude to really govern with some potency to try and get this very aggressive agenda done." He adds that the intensity of the public support is particularly high. "We are watching a Reagan-like early presidency." The high ratings are driven largely by personality. Asked for their assessment of various qualities, the public gives Mr. Obama strong marks across the board. But it offers its highest grades on personal matters like honesty and values, versus leadership or professional questions such as being firm and decisive, or appointing qualified people. More than eight in 10 people surveyed say they like him personally. "There is this kind of grumbling that this is all style, this is all fluff -- the spouse and the dog -- that it's somehow illegitimate," says Mr. McInturff. "All those things are important, because they provide a very strong personal attachment to him." That, he says, can give Mr. Obama months of bonus time to enact an aggressive agenda. This sort of support is apparent in voters like Dora Ramirez, 73 years old, an independent who voted for Sen. John McCain last fall and worries about the growing national debt and, like half of all survey participants, opposes Mr. Obama's decision to close the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. But she approves of the job he's done in this first 100 days, and his personal style appeals to her. "I like the way he tries to be more positive about all the problems that are facing us," Mrs. Ramirez, of La Miraza, Calif., said in an interview. "I like the way he handles himself personally. I like his family. I like that he's a family man." But personality may only take the president so far. Only a slim majority -- 52% -- say they are extremely or quite confident that Mr. Obama has the right set of goals and policies as president. That shows how hard it will be to pass his aggressive agenda. "If the road for the first 100 days seems bumpy and full of potholes, the next stretch of road is hardly going to be much smoother," says Mr. Hart, the Democratic pollster. That's partly because of the complexity of the issues Mr. Obama hopes to pursue. On energy, 53% of survey participants said they approved of a proposal that would require companies to reduce greenhouse gases that cause global warming, even if it would also mean higher utility bills for consumers. That's a majority, but not such a large majority as to compel Congress to fall in line, Mr. Hart says. On health care, the numbers favor the Obama plan but also aren't overwhelming. Without being given a description, 33% said that Mr. Obama's plan is a good idea, versus 26% who said it's a bad idea. When given a description, 56% said they favored the plan, versus just 33% who opposed it. The combined weight of the issues may also affect the agenda. Already, 52% of people said Mr. Obama is trying to take on too many issues besides the economy. One area where Mr. Obama has run against public opinion involves the debate over past use of torture in interrogations. A majority, 53%, disapproved of the president's decision to release memos detailing these methods. Further, a clear majority, 61%, opposes a criminal investigation into whether torture was committed during the Bush administration. The White House has sent mixed messages on this matter. On the economy, there was some sign that the public may be turning a corner. About 18% of those surveyed said they were very or somewhat satisfied, a small fraction of the public, but up from 7% in February. And the portion very dissatisfied with the economy dropped to 52% from 70%. "We may have reached the bottom," in terms of public attitude, says Mr. McInturff. But the poll also shows continued concern over job security, and Mr. Hart speculated that if unemployment numbers rise, the public mood will fall again. -Timothy J. Alberta contributed to this article.Write to Laura Meckler at laura.meckler@wsj.com |
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UrbanSprawl |
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If Obama continues on this path, he'll be the best president since FDR.
His biggest policy flaw is definitely concerning the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars. He's still heavily invested in our military industry's plan to turn various countries into colonial fauxmocracies, placing hundreds of military bases in foreign countries, stocking them with tens of thousands of American soldiers and keeping them there until the end of time. That sort of policy will help the military complex and create tons of wars, but it's horrible policy for the average american who doesn't support this radical right-wing foreign relationship which puts them at far greater risk of being attacked. |
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Pahrump Mania |
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UrbanSprawl wrote:You didn't remotely answer my question. |
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Well, I didn't read any question in your post. It was more of a statement. I guess the only question, implied that is, is how our education system failed
you?
And I have no reason to guess, but I'll do it anyway: intravenous drug use. But that was pretty off the wall. I apologize if that wasn't the case. |
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CallMeMadam |
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Yeah, I'm done here. Republicans are so out of touch with mainstream America, and are so determined to purge their party of any moderating, reasonable
influences that might put them back into the mainstream, that there is no need to continue this joke of a political thread. This is like beating up special
needs kids. There's no fun in that. Bye.
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Charming Nemesis |
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After 2 years of Obama and a Pelosi/Reid House and filibuster Senate, I predict a Republican revolution in 2 years time. You heard it here first.
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B DeBrun |
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CallMeMadam wrote: Your history is a wee bit thin, SI. It was Barry Goldwater that kicked off this strategy in 1964. So, from one Arizona senator to the next, we've come full circle. |
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B DeBrun |
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And what do you know, I used my 20K on a bit of American Presidential history. Cousin Paddy would be a wee bit gobsmacked.
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Gregoire |
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After 2 years of Obama and a Pelosi/Reid House and filibuster Senate, I predict a Republican revolution in 2 years time. You heard it here first May I quote you? Although it's most likely numerically impossible for any more Democratic gains, I highly doubt people are going to massively forget the party of George Bush that quickly. |
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2ManyAndersons |
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And what do you know, I used my 20K on a bit of American Presidential history. Cousin Paddy would be a wee bit gobsmacked. Um...congrats? |
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Charming Nemesis |
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Please quote it. Post #7069. Book it.
If the economy turns around quickly, people will think "why are we spending trillions for nothing". If it doesn't turn around, they will think "these guys suck". There will be a revival of conservative principles in the party. 2 years is a long time and the Republicans will become a valid alternative. Also in the last election many conservatives wanted to punish the Republican party because they became too fat, complacent, and too far from their conservative principles. Many conservatives didn't vote all, voted libertarian, or voted for the Dem to make a point. |
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B DeBrun |
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I don't know if there will be a 1994 redux, but there will be a galvanized response. The economy will muddle along for a couple of more years (just like
the 70s and the 80s). Combine that with deep voter resentment over runaway spending and taxation on both sides, well you never know. Dems will def. lose seats
in 2010. Question is how many?
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lilnubber |
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Congrats on your 20k, DeBrun.
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Charming Nemesis |
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B DeBrun wrote:I agree. Most people aren't raging liberals. After 2 years of Pelosi/Reid, it will be a balance of power thing. Too many far left ideas will be muscled through, and it will give centrists/independents pause. |
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Gregoire |
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Now we'll have to wait and see if there will be anybody left in the GOP in 2010. At this rate it might just be Saxby Chamblis and a cardboard cutout off
Ronald Reagan in a cowboy hat.
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Pahrump Mania |
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Other the other side of the coin, the Democrats will never be as energized as they were in 2008.
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ZombieLinda |
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Democrats will almost surely lose at least some seats in the House, but it's not unreasonable to think they haven't peaked yet in the Senate. For
2010, Republicans have a couple vulnerable incumbents and have to defend four retirements in FL, OH, NH, and MO, which are never safe and have already
attracted some strong Democratic candidates.
The magic number of 60 is overhyped and probably doesn't scare voters as much as some would like to believe. There have been larger majorities before, and today's events have made it a reality already. Even the chairman of the NRSC says it'll be an uphill battle. Not a good sign.
2012 and 2014 is when Democrats will start having to defend their recent gains, but of course they may be the only party by then. |
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