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Miss Alley Shack |
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Where did the whole Kris = Jason Mraz comparison come from? They are nothing alike!
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Ann Margret Thatcher |
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He's nothing like John Mayer either (although that's necessarily a bad thing). But both Mayer and Mraz write their own material, and unless Kris
happens to be a decent songwriter, he doesn't really have anything to offer that dozens of other aspiring singer/songwriter coffee house type performers
don't already have.
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cginspace |
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SO agree with you AMT. Kris has little to offer that makes him really stand out. I think one of the huge problems with Idol is that they take people who
require a slow build and try to push them hard and fast. Sadly, MOST of the contestants are that type. DAughtry did so well because he had huge charisma and
a very different style for Idol. Underpants did well because she knew her market, and it is a loyal one (Hell, even Josh Gracin did ok with it).
What provides longevity is that "what will they do next" thing. It is also about knowing how to promote oneself, and that includes picking material. Marketabilility, as Madonna has shown time and again, is a lot more about business smarts, staying slightly ahead of the curve and confidence in one's own abilities (no matter how limited) than it is about spectacular voice. So in the past, we had... Kelly, who figured out what she did best and rocked it... then forgot and lost it, then got back on track and found it again Ruben, who clearly did not know how to sell HIMSELF outside of his area code, and certainly provided nothing particularly interesting or timely Clay, who had the third aspect in spades... and it helped him as far as it could Underpants... already discussed Fantasia, who had a great voice IMO but whose business smarts were minimal (TV movie? get a good script and a good actress to play you, woman), and whose material was very current... the year before she dropped her CDs Hicks... Had the third quality, but undeservedly so... and was way too RETRO in terms of song choice to have any chance at all Jordin... Remains to be seen how smart or current she REALLY is. Allison... knows herself, does not always choose songs that showcase her talents best... but she is young and business sense can be borrowed from an adult for now... so we'll see Kris... great voice, nicely undersung, and interesting business smarts (he picks really smart choices, for the most part, which alomst gives him an air of being "hip" where he is actually fairly current without being ahead of the curve. Adam... smart choices, knows how to put out an image, has a unique sound (which may be TOO far ahead of the curve in some ways, with its mix of drama, falsetto and heavy metal shrieks), knows himself... but turns off almost as many as he turns on. My money is still on Adam, with Allison being the only other with any prayer of longevity.
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Licorice |
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cginspace wrote:AHEAD of the curve? |
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frautardz wrote:Before Lady Gaga- there was Mika! Mika: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tcn49zHLt0
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McWolcott |
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tmaxx, couldn't agree more. MIKA is a good comparison. <3 MIKA.
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Licorice |
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Mika He's so gross! But I do agree, Adam is kind of like him.
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McWolcott |
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Wow, shocker that you would think he's "gross".
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North09 |
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1. Kris Allen: He's the most marketable in my eyes. Most of the bands and artists I listen to are on independent record lables, which
is where I can see him starting out. The accoustic guitar combined with his voice are what these lable are looking for these days. In a genre being dominated
by these fake dance artists, he'd be a welcome change. Everyone keeps comparing him to Jason Mraz and John Mayer, but listen to Ace Enders. He's a huge
influence on my music and a huge hit with indi fans. Thats the style I believe Kris should go with.
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seaguy |
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Are people thinking marketable as in will sell millions of CDs, or just marketable in getting a record contract? The "indie" talk about Kris makes
sense. But do indie artists sell millions of records? Not really, except in rare cases. As far as Adam goes, he won't have Carrie/Kelly/Daughtry success
either.
So by definition of "marketable" as in multi-million selling artists, none of them are "marketable" I don't think. If we're talking pop radio success, I don't think any of them are headed in that direction either, except maybe Allison depending on the direction they push her. If we're talking marketable as in getting a record contract and having modest success I do think Adam, Kris and Allison are in that group. Gokey. No. And not even because I'm not a fan. I just don't see any real area for him other than Christian music. He could probably do ok with that, but what's considered hugely successful in Christian music? 50K CDs sold? Matt is a lost cause. |
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cginspace |
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The best way to gauge what is marketable, really, is to see how the producers manipulate things. They want to have a successful artist on their hands, and one
they can market. The ones they pimp, basically, are the ones they think have a capacity to be well-marketed and have a built-in audience. This is a business
as much as it is a show.
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Drew B |
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cginspace wrote: The money they stand to make off of any of these people as artists is a drop in the bucket in comparison to the money they are already making hand-over-fist based on the show. Any decision they make is designed to maximize the number of viewers who tune in to watch the show. If that also means higher album sales, that's great. However, they would sell the "most marketable" person down the river in a half a heartbeat if keeping less marketable people around would yield higher ratings... |
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cginspace |
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I agree and disagree. The show is, yes, what is on their mind first and foremost. However, I believe you know business and industry people well enough to
realize that it is NEVER strictly about one aspect. I will bet you hard money that the conversation comes up every day: "How do we get another
Daughtry/Underwood/Clarkson?"
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roachc420 |
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If we're going by who won't have to go get a "real" job to supplement their music career, I'm going with Scott, Kris, Allison, Adam, Matt
(since he's already a musician) and maybe Danny. That may be because I've already forgotten most of the rest of the contestants this season.
Daughtry/Underwood/Clarkson levels, mmmm...not this time.
Jon Peter Lewis is still kicking it on the indie circuit. He doesn't sell a lot of albums, but as of last time I checked, he hasn't had to go back to a "real" job yet. It all depends on what you call success in the business. |
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Drew B |
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cginspace wrote: Probably, but that person doesn't have to WIN for them to sign them. If you take any of those artists, how much money do you think this production company has made off of them? Maybe a few million dollars off of each of them? I'm guessing they make that much on just one or two episodes of the show (although I admit I don't know the specific financials)... The business model is to worry about the show and to also sign anybody who they think they can profit from (whether they finish first or 12th). Now, granted, the ones they think are most worth keeping around for ratings are probably also the ones with the best earning potential. Not always, though. I bet that in Season 5, they couldn't care less that Taylor won over Daughtry. If Taylor hadn't made it to the finals, they would have lost viewers. I don't think they lost that many viewers when Daughtry left (and in fact may have retained some specifically because of the DRAMA). Many of Daughtry's album sales, I'm guessing, were to people who were not Idol viewers. That's awesome. Taylor probably sold NO albums to people who didn't already support him from the show. That sucks. However, the way things worked out, Idol got to profit from the ratings of a successful season. They got to profit from Daughtry's sales. They also probably got to profit from Taylor's 700,000 + albums sold. If Daughtry had won, Taylor probably never would have even been signed to make and release an album... |
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Drew B wrote:DAre I admit this? I stopped watching after Daughtry left. |
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roachc420 wrote:It's interesting you went with JPL, Jasmine Trias as a marketable female, she's pretty much taken over Hawaii and she's become a legit Asian star. I think she's actually made more money then everyone else from that season including Jennifer Hudson. |
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roachc420 |
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I didn't know Jasmine was so big in Asia. That's pretty cool for her. I just went with the one that seemed the least likely. |
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frautardz |
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1. Seaguy, I agree 100% with your analysis of their marketability. Although Simon seems to think Adam could be an internatiional star.
2. They make tons more $ from the show than they do from the albums. 3. It probably costs alot of $ in promo and payola to get shitty Idol music played on the radio. I wonder if even selling 1 million CDs brings in much profit for them. |
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cginspace |
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It is also worth noting that radio haa long had an attitude towards winners of Idol. Anybody who is really going to make it needs to be interesting and
eye-catching. DJs are notorious for believing most winners and stars of Idol are just glorified Karaoke singers.
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