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Which way would you like to me to do you?
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Posts: 6979 (03/08/09 6:19 PM) Registered User |
That's PM material. If I told ya here, people might think I'm a nasty girl and stuff. |
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Posts: 4483 (03/08/09 8:01 PM) |
Well we certainly can't have that!
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tigeranne |
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Posts: 6404 (03/11/09 6:55 PM) Registered User |
pussycow wrote: damn. I should have been wearing Depends before I read this.... |
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Posts: 16098 (03/25/09 9:28 PM) Registered user |
That's going to leave a mark.
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Posts: 7127 (03/25/09 10:00 PM) Registered User |
Is it bad that I felt sorry for lil Ben? Who cares. I did.
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Posts: 1034 (03/25/09 10:24 PM) Registered User |
FeliciaM7 wrote:And to think two weeks ago, you're were super pissed at him . Around the merry-go-round we go. Ben does something villainous, then
gains sympathy. It was odd at how concerned Sayid was when Roger started smacking Ben around. Half a show later, he's putting one in his chest.
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Posts: 7131 (03/25/09 10:51 PM) Registered User |
Oh yeah. Ben was a mothafucker for strangling poor Locke.
And now I'm feeling all maternal over the little shit. Good point that Sayid seemed ready to beat the shit out of Roger for being abusive, but then turned around and shot the kid. Maybe he didn't decide to do him in until after he witnessed that scene. He realized the abuse was the reason Ben turned into a cold ass and there was no help for him. I'm not sure I agree with spec that Sayid is the reason Ben turned out the way he did. His father is the reason... |
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Posts: 1037 (03/25/09 11:28 PM) Registered User |
FeliciaM7 wrote:Probably a combination of the two. Cold hearted because his father treated him like dirt and no one gave a shit enough to help, except Richard or the Island. The fact that he lit a bus on fire and sent it in the middle of town speaks to that. I do think though, that Sayid solidified Ben's view of people. He has to make sure he never puts himself in a position to be taken advantage of, and thus always has a plan that puts his interest first. He tried to help Sayid out of loyalty and it got him shot. All bets were off after that. I wonder if we'll get to see Richard and Young Ben again, maybe we'll get a glimpse. |
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Posts: 6423 (03/25/09 11:34 PM) Registered User |
I saw the 'Sayid killing Ben' scenario coming as soon as Sayid told Sawyer that he'd found his purpose in returning. I didn't expect it
to happen so soon though!
I guess it says something about me that I felt satisfaction upon seeing Ben getting shot. I know- he's just a kid. However, when I look at kid Ben, I see adult Ben shooting Locke, purging Dharma, telling Sayid whom to kill, telling Keamy to go ahead and shoot Alex(breaking her heart), killing Keamy and not caring about those on the freigher dying, and strangling Locke. It's hard to feel much sympathy for a future mother fucker.... however, having read the posts here.. I never thought of this as being the reason for Ben becoming such an asshole. Could Sayid be to blame? |
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Posts: 16476 (03/26/09 12:39 PM) Registered User |
I would definitely say it's a combo of Sayid and his father, but I think Sayid maybe kind of fucked him up in a different kind of way. Little Ben knows
his dad is a motherfucker who blames him for shit that's not his fault, but he thought that the Hostiles were his people and risking his ass to help one
out and then getting shot for it was probably a lot for his poor little 14 year old brain to handle. IMO, he was already gonna be fucked up, but Sayid may have
pushed him over the edge.
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Posts: 1562 (03/26/09 8:19 PM) Lost soul |
I agree that Sayid shooting little Ben is what pushes him to go from mealy mouth pansy Ben to the heartless mass murder. Roger Workman was certainly a bastard
of a father, and I'm going to guess that Roger's reaction to Ben's shooting will not be a fatherly one. I think once we see Ben's miraculous
recovery (we KNOW he can be dead) that we will see a very sadistic little Ben. He'll probably kill a chicken first.
I need to go back to season 2 and watch the scene when Benry first meets Sayid in the hatch and Sayid tortures him. I remember his look being odd, but assumed it was part of his act as Henry Gale. I wonder if the writers put in something for us to catch now that we know what Sayid did. I seem to vaguely remember Benry saying something about never forgetting a face, but I have no idea when or in what context he said it. |
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Posts: 1044 (03/27/09 7:24 AM) Registered User |
IFY0USEEKATE wrote: Ben gives Sayid a strange look without context... Luckily for the TPTB. |
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Posts: 2465 (03/27/09 9:55 AM) Registered user |
I don't know who did this but...
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Posts: 41 (03/27/09 10:48 AM) Registered User |
IFY0USEEKATE wrote:Do we know for sure that "Whatever happened, happened" or is it just speculation right now? Is it still possible that Sayid shooting Ben changed the future? I wouldn't want it that way; I like the idea of all the Losties in 1977 shaped the status of the island after the crash. But I also like not knowing for sure. |
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Posts: 4684 (03/27/09 11:01 AM) |
@ that chop!
pumpkinpie24 wrote: I think most people think that since Faraday has been repeating "Whatever happened, happened" so much that that is how it is. Faraday is the writer's mouthpiece for Lost's rules of time travel. Personally, I think it is possible that Faraday is wrong and he is the writer's mouthpiece for pulling the rug out from under us. I don't think that is likely though. I believe the next episode is titled "Whatever Happened, Happened" so we might get our answer then.
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Posts: 1045 (03/27/09 11:11 AM) Registered User |
If Ben is dead, the paradoxes that would ensue would cripple the show. I can't imagine any scenario where seasons 1-4 would be wiped out in favor of a new
future or time line. This is why they have written into rule "whatever happened, happened." I think the show is striving to change 2007 and beyond
and we'll see the characters try to break the rules then, aka season 6. Just my guess.
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Posts: 16500 (03/27/09 3:20 PM) Registered User |
Ben is a 45 year old man. Therefore, he did not die when he was 14.
I fucking hate this time travel bullshit. |
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Posts: 24116 (03/27/09 3:45 PM) Registered user |
I wonder if Locke had a birthday after he died.
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Posts: 626 (03/27/09 5:30 PM) Registered user |
Hostile6 wrote: This is exactly why the writers chose this ruleset for time travel in Lost. They have made a specific point, in interviews, to tell us that whetever we have seen in the last 5 seasons...happened. You wont see someone go back in time and change that. Ever. (ok, maybe the last episode there might be a change, but still...) The writers/creators are too smart to allow something to happen that completely invalidates season 1-4..making it inconsequential. I think the point is, whats more interesting, is to see how the actions of these future characters in the past actually shaped EVERYTHING we have seen in seasons 1-4. Thats whats fun. Now, thats not to say Faraday's rules CANt be broken...weve seen them bend through Desmond. But if there is any major change in "fate" by a characters free will, it will be something in the future we havent seen yet, or it will be something thats implied in the last episode of the series. If something is "different" than it was supposed to be, has been, they will IMMEDIATELY show us what change that had in the future. They did that in "The Constant", and they did that in the first episode this season. If the next episode doesnt show us a major change in the future, then what happened (Sayid shooting Ben) had always happened, was supposed to. |
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