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getting real |
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Sometimes, this thread starts to acquire the peculiar frustrations associated with Groundhog Day.
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cindidindi76 |
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wallduck |
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Sometimes, this thread starts to acquire the peculiar frustrations associated with Groundhog Day.Whaddya mean? You don't mean the discussion of spoilers? Or the discussion of whether there are any? Or the discussion of whether if there were any it would explain why certain people disagree with certain other people? Or the discussion of whether there ought to be a discussion? Or even a discussion of that discussion? If you object to discussing spoilers, it must be because you read spoilers! |
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getting real |
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scepticA |
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getting real, of course editors, writers, filmmakers etc all use some forms of foreshadowing. Sometimes it's jokingly clumsy: daughter of Goldbloom in
Jurassic Park 2 mentions several times she is a gymnast for no apparent reason in the beginning of the movie. Or the deep mineshaft at the beginning of
Dante's Peak. In both cases I believe the closed captioning mentioned "this is foreshadowing and will be important later on." And I have fun
nudgind hubby in kidney and say out loud, "That's foreshadowing." He hates it when I'm right.
Good foreshadowing is invisible. You only realize it at that a-ha moment (no relationship to Norwegian Boy Band) later in the movie when you suddenly realize that the incident earlier had greater meaning. Those are cool. Heck, some movies like The Sixth Sense are one big foreshadowed "a-ha" moment. What I'm observing here is that people seem to alter their ratings based on what they think MIGHT happen... "maybe the confessional is foreshadowing something important later, so I'm giving her an MOR..." They are using their own wishlist for what's gonna happen to ratoinalize their ratings now, and justify it all as "foreshadowing." |
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Jedijake |
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Hey JediJake, are you a spoiler reader? I think I remember that in past seasons you were...I am curious about your position this season.I've always read spoilers. I also read silly crap posted everywhere that is pretty much dumb humor. However, my ratings have never been influenced by spoilers. That's mostly because I am never sold on anything I read. That included seasons like All Stars, Pearl Islands, and Palau. I've made a mockery of myself when I pushed Coby as my winner in S10 up until the night he was booted. I also refuted Amanda AND Danni because neither ever made sense as a winner. I wavered back and forth between Stephanie and Rafe because there was nobody else during their season who made any edgic sense. I guess we can go way back to Pearl Islands (when Edgic started?) and I pushed for RyanO and Sandra as my picks despite people's endless support for Darrah (ha!). Most recently, I refused to give up my pick for Cirie. I never saw her first episode as being that horrible and thought they were priming us for the best possible winner in Survivor history. So yeah, I do have a split personality. I'm probably one of very few people (hate to say it) that can keep what I read in different places separate. (Oo being one of the others who can actually handle that duality.) I think it's worse to call out people who do see "spoilers" because then it gives newer posters unnecessary skepticism when they read ratings and views of the more "seasoned" edgic folks. |
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Oowatanite |
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I very much look forward to Abby's next post.
NOT. |
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getting real |
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Scep, I agree that episode ratings should never be based on interpretations of what is likely to occur down the road.
And you seem to agree with me that catching the script-writers (editors) at their fore-shadowing game is how we connect to the ultimate climax of the story (the Final Tribal Council). So, it's all good, then... But we have to be careful to avoid statements, such as Wallduck's that all foreshadowing is hindsight. Although we know what he means, such statements veer dangerously close towards non sequitur territory. |
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OnlyTheHunter |
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That's right re: foreshadowing.
Ocean's Eleven (the new one) has my favorite of all time, when Rusty says "the biggest Ella Fitgerald of all time" and later Danny tells them building the vault for practice is "something like that." When the end came, my brain screamed out, "ELLA FITZGERALD! How did I not see that?" I smile on every rewatch when that comes up. I agree about being careful. Bob won. And a quick skim back shows that Bob's position was defined, Bob was in peril at merge time as said by Marcus, and that his path was spelled out and doubt was provided. I looked past it, but for a "minor" character, unlike Susie, I knew right where Bob was. Goes to say, with Parvati and Todd and Earl and Yul and even frakking Aras (I'm watching Galactica, frakking awesome!) the journey was spelled out, in large or small ways. Some personalization. But Cirie or Courtney or Yau Man or Ozzie or Terry could also be said to have the same thing. Don't rate them "better" or worse, rate how you feel. Update, I have an offer on my house that might go through and prevent me from foreclosure, bankruptcy, no credit and hell for the foreseeable future. No guarantees but at least I have some hope. I am visiting my kids this coming weekend, but even without planning it I picked a non show week. Oh well. I assume next week is a recap. Hopefully after that things will be settled and I won't wonder if I'll be on the street and under permanent leins by then. Best to all. Michael |
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Mypoody2 |
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The forshaddowing of those 3 winners: Earl, Richard, Parvati and Todd was so blatantly obvious, they each had "winners quotes" also Sandra had a
"winners quote"
Richard: "I have the million dollar check written" Earl: "I am the king of fiji" (with mountain pan over) Todd: "I'm here to win a million dollars, that's a looooot of money" Parvati: "Im here to win this time" Not that I'm a believer in them because last season Crystal had one. |
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scepticA |
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Thanks, mypoody. So all we have to do is look for anyone who mentions money or winning. Damn - that's easy! |
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colleenlover |
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I very much look forward to Abby's next post. I do. |
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Oowatanite |
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Really ? Why ?
Is the out-of-control run-on paragraphs in great need of an editor ? Is it the repetitive and baseless accusations of spoilers just because some edgicers have not written off certain players like she has (armed with her whopping 36 posts of Edgic experience) ? Is it her misguided belief in the insane drivel that noted troll RVS keeps spewing in this thread ? Is her complete ignorance of the repeated attempts by Trix, Phoenix, etc. etc. to calmly point out to abbybrat that her repetitively petulant temper-tantrums about imaginary spoilers is driving edgicers INSANE ? |
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fat little fingers |
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OTH: I agree about being careful. Bob won. This season lacks Gabon's odd edit of 1) boringly obvious Marcus, or, 2) a completely trashed and discredited tribe. Gabon's edit gave us OTTP Bob in Ep1 and then hid him by leaving him completely out of the loop, except for Corinne's repeating that Bob was someone so docile that he was a non-factor. Bob was kept virginal and above the sordid going's on in the game. It sucked as an edit, but hey, SEG makes the shows, I only play Edgic, so boo-hoo. This season has the earmarks of a more traditional edit that Edgic can dive into with more confidence:
Bob was given a huge lift-off in Ep1 and then neglected until his end story. We have no such character this season. That's not to say we can't be flummoxed by, say, a negative doofuss winner (Coach), or that we get too caught up in looking at the (supposedly) hidden complex winner, with all the bells and whistles in place (Sierra, Stephen), and end up with a more blah, MOR type (Brendan, JT), or someone interesting, but with no comprehensive winner story (Erinn). Edgic isn't for sissies. |
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Oowatanite |
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getting real |
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Gabon's edit gave us OTTP Bob in Ep1 and then hid him by leaving him completely out of the loop, except for Corinne's repeating that Bob was someone so docile that he was a non-factor. Out of the strategy loop, perhaps, but not out of manipulation loop. Even his aversion to strategy should have rung warning bells, given the contemptuous treatment meted out by the editors to anyone attempting to, you know, strategize.
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fat little fingers |
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I repeat:
Bob was kept virginal and above the sordid going's on in the game. It sucked as an edit, but hey, SEG makes the shows, I only play Edgic, so boo-hoo. With emphasis on "it sucked as an edit". Lol. |
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9RedWing19 |
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flf: seeing your new avatar, does this mean that you've recanted your heresy and now have Sierra as your number one pick?
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fat little fingers |
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Nope. I was trying out a few ani gif captures and this one was my favorite. My next fave was a staggering Taj.
(I'm looking for an avatar that I would want to stick with for a while...) |
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