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Flav4		#2081	[-]
Posts: 15 (03/16/09 12:11 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You can put me on that list!
wallduck		#2082	[-]
Posts: 513 (03/16/09 12:27 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Foreshadowing is often an after-the-fact thing Often? Always! Great post, sceptic. Foreshadowing is right in there with theme analysis and winner quotes. Tell me what conclusion you want to come to and I will supply the foreshadowing to support it. (Ever see Stephen Colbert's DaColbert Code? It's like that.)
ncassaro		#2083	[-]
Posts: 835 (03/16/09 1:09 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	To me, it's only really that they're trying to foreshadow something when they absolutely beat us over the head with it. e.g. "Nobody can beat Amanda in the finals!" And then she fell apart, again. Useless is a throwaway quote... e.g. Marcus' "no two Adams" confessional, which was taken way out of context all season long and applied to multiple situations.
Small Town Boy		#2084	[-]
Posts: 81 (03/16/09 1:53 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Final ratings Jalapao Spencer CPP4 Sydney UTRP2 Joe MOR3 Taj OTTN5 J.T. OTT3 Stephen CP3 Timbira Debbie UTR1 Sierra UTR2 or CP2 Erinn UTR2 (I argue for a 2 because Debbie is a 1 with no confessional, Erinn had one confessional so her ratign should be ABOVE Debbie. Ben UTR2 Brendan CP3 or MOR3 Tyson MOR2
cindidindi76		#2085	[-]
Posts: 16187 (03/16/09 3:44 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Am I the only one can kind of see a Tyson win? I know some people have him eliminated for being too N and not "right" enough, but I still think there's an outside chance. Watch him get voted off next now that I've said that, lol. RVS, you're wasting your energy. It's obvious to us spoiler readers who here is reading spoilers (when there are spoilers), but as long as they say they don't read them and don't actually post in the spoiler forum, it's just A-Okay. Yes, it's annoying, especially when people are unnecessarily rude when you're just trying to participate (when you aren't just calling everyone who posts here idiots), but it's pointless to argue it because there really isn't anything anyone can do about. I know you have issue with Oo and ILT, but IMO the people who don't admit it are far more irritating than the ones that do. [/psa]
AbbyGirl		#2086	[-]
Posts: 36 (03/16/09 3:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I am getting a bad feeling that there are spoilers out there, credible or not, and that is why the Erinn support is escalating and many are saying Brendan is not winning and will be blindsided, etc. I really do not think anyone reading spoilers should be able to give their thoughts on who can win, much less vote. I do not want to see that and then have the season spoiled for me. Let spoiler readers post in spoilers, not in speculation threads. Why should I even watch Survivor if I go here and everyone is giving "opinions" on the winner and possible final 2/3, including spoiler readers? Suddenly certain people have all of these theories that Erinn is in the F2 with Sierra or Stephen, or they are the F3. Where is that coming from? I should have seen the warning signs but kept reading posts here. No wonder Brendan is out of it for some, they probably have inside information whether it's labeled credible or not. That truly does suck!
taks		#2087	[-]
Posts: 57 (03/16/09 3:58 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AbbyGirl wrote: No wonder Brendan is out of it for some, they probably have inside information whether it's labeled credible or not. That truly does suck! No, I don't think that's the case for many of us. Brendan is out of it for some because he had an episode one which didn't revolve around him at all. He made one comment which most people thought was directly linked to Coach's story. At least, that's why I nearly eliminated him after episode one and he's been at the tail end of my winners list ever since. He hasn't done anything to be truly eliminated besides a poor showing in episode one, but he has had a ridiculous amount of opportunities to be complex or show some insight in which he has been reduced to telling us the plot. I love the guy, but he is not being taken advantage of as a character.
AndreSurvivor		#2088	[-]
Posts: 405 (03/16/09 4:03 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AbbyGirl wrote: I am getting a bad feeling that there are spoilers out there, credible or not, and that is why the Erinn support is escalating and many are saying Brendan is not winning and will be blindsided, etc. I really do not think anyone reading spoilers should be able to give their thoughts on who can win, much less vote. I do not want to see that and then have the season spoiled for me. Let spoiler readers post in spoilers, not in speculation threads. Why should I even watch Survivor if I go here and everyone is giving "opinions" on the winner and possible final 2/3, including spoiler readers? Suddenly certain people have all of these theories that Erinn is in the F2 with Sierra or Stephen, or they are the F3. Where is that coming from? I should have seen the warning signs but kept reading posts here. No wonder Brendan is out of it for some, they probably have inside information whether it's labeled credible or not. That truly does suck! Thankfully, having a bad feeling doesn't mean you're right. It's been said again and again in this thread--and I don't have any reason to distrust the messenger--that there are no spoilers this season, and that those who are "spoiled" aren't giving winner predictions. I guess the Erinn supporters just see something others don't, which isn't new to edgic. See: Amanda both times.
Apollo Italiano		#2089	[-]
Posts: 285 (03/16/09 4:05 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I feel bad about not getting into this discussion at all; I've been busy. I'll do my best get involved sometime this week. Thanks for the extended deadline, Phoenix. I'll be sure to take advantage of it!
FallenTorch.fantasygamescen...		#2090	[-]
Posts: 65 (03/16/09 4:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Also, its not as if many people have Erinn number one on their winners list. For the majority, Stephen and Sierra are out front, but Erinn has had significant unneccesary character development, and has no reason to be discounted, making her a top choice behind Sierra and Stephen. She shouldn't be discounted, and her edit lacks the weak opening episode of Brendan, the narrator/hero/OTT edit that JT is closing upon, and the snarky villainous negativity of Tyson. Although I see reasons for all three of them, Erinn's edit, in my opinion, is better than theirs making her a viable winner option without the use of spoilers. (and yes she'll probably end up like Amanda, but that shouldn't make her support automatically accounted for by supposed spoilers)
augustus713		#2091	[-]
Posts: 32 (03/16/09 4:08 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AbbyGirl wrote: I am getting a bad feeling that there are spoilers out there, credible or not, and that is why the Erinn support is escalating and many are saying Brendan is not winning and will be blindsided, etc. I really do not think anyone reading spoilers should be able to give their thoughts on who can win, much less vote. I do not want to see that and then have the season spoiled for me. Let spoiler readers post in spoilers, not in speculation threads. Why should I even watch Survivor if I go here and everyone is giving "opinions" on the winner and possible final 2/3, including spoiler readers? Suddenly certain people have all of these theories that Erinn is in the F2 with Sierra or Stephen, or they are the F3. Where is that coming from? I should have seen the warning signs but kept reading posts here. No wonder Brendan is out of it for some, they probably have inside information whether it's labeled credible or not. That truly does suck! The Erinn support hasn't been "escalating." She was one of the top picks for many people starting from episode 1 because of her pre-credits confessional.
gretchensucks		#2092	[-]
Posts: 740 (03/16/09 4:12 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AbbyGirl wrote: I am getting a bad feeling that there are spoilers out there, credible or not, and that is why the Erinn support is escalating and many are saying Brendan is not winning and will be blindsided, etc. I really do not think anyone reading spoilers should be able to give their thoughts on who can win, much less vote. I do not want to see that and then have the season spoiled for me. Let spoiler readers post in spoilers, not in speculation threads. Why should I even watch Survivor if I go here and everyone is giving "opinions" on the winner and possible final 2/3, including spoiler readers? Suddenly certain people have all of these theories that Erinn is in the F2 with Sierra or Stephen, or they are the F3. Where is that coming from? I should have seen the warning signs but kept reading posts here. No wonder Brendan is out of it for some, they probably have inside information whether it's labeled credible or not. That truly does suck! Chill...that's why some of us post here. There are no spoilers (credible or not) about any of this. On a spoiled season I wouldn't say ANYTHING other than about the editing for someone who had already been voted off. I'll keep you updated...but rest assured there is nothing out there (and certainly nothing about what you posted). I'm trying to put all this paranoia to rest. All I can say is you're completely off base here. People are talking about a Brendan blindside because of what Tyson, Debbie and Coach cooked up in the last episode, nothing more. Erinn has a mix of fanboys, and others who simply cannot edgically eliminate her. It's all on the up and up. People need to calm down about edgic being spoiled this season. I've been a very vocal critic of edgic being spoiled in the past. I think I've established some credibility here in that I've never posted in a spoiled season, and I've spoken up when I've seen issues in the past during spoiled seasons (in a separate thread). I'm here to tell you that I've followed edgic closely this year and there's nothing fishy. I'm not posting my winner picks out of an abundance of caution...but frankly I don't see a problem (yet) with other people who read spoilers posting theirs (or even voting frankly). Because there is NOTHING out there to have an effect on edgic. Once again. Relax.
Katy Carney		#2093	[-]
Posts: 5015 (03/16/09 4:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Brendan was never on my list. Neither was Taj. Bad first episode + HUGE spike in visiblity = bad edit imo.
getting real		#2094	[-]
Posts: 1573 (03/16/09 5:12 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	wallduck wrote: Foreshadowing is often an after-the-fact thing Often? Always! Great post, sceptic. Foreshadowing is right in there with theme analysis and winner quotes. Tell me what conclusion you want to come to and I will supply the foreshadowing to support it. (Ever see Stephen Colbert's DaColbert Code? It's like that.) Head.... sand.... Or, put another way, foreshadowing is what editors do. Whether you try to catch them doing it by pure, unadulterated, pristine, unsullied statistical analysis, by a rational interpretation of the reasons behind their manipulation or by a sensible combination of the two, that is what you're trying to do: Trying to catch what the editors are foreshadowing.
ncassaro		#2095	[-]
Posts: 837 (03/16/09 5:31 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AbbyGirl wrote: I am getting a bad feeling that there are spoilers out there, credible or not, and that is why the Erinn support is escalating and many are saying Brendan is not winning and will be blindsided, etc. I really do not think anyone reading spoilers should be able to give their thoughts on who can win, much less vote. I do not want to see that and then have the season spoiled for me. Let spoiler readers post in spoilers, not in speculation threads. Why should I even watch Survivor if I go here and everyone is giving "opinions" on the winner and possible final 2/3, including spoiler readers? Suddenly certain people have all of these theories that Erinn is in the F2 with Sierra or Stephen, or they are the F3. Where is that coming from? I should have seen the warning signs but kept reading posts here. No wonder Brendan is out of it for some, they probably have inside information whether it's labeled credible or not. That truly does suck! I wouldn't say Erinn support is escalating, nor would I say Brendan support is waning. I had Brendan as a backup from episode 2--he was never seriously a contender for me. But I really wanted to predict by the merge, so I cut him and Taj after episode 4 and I think that's why a lot of people who cut Brendan cut Brendan.
Trixiego		#2096	[-]
Posts: 16377 (03/16/09 5:34 PM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	No definite spoilers. In addition any spoilers floating around are NOT concrete. NOTHING about the topic recently concerned about. FWIW, at least those who do read the spoilers are honest about it (regardless of their attitude) which is more than I can say for others. That being said, there isn't anything to be concerned about.
cindidindi76		#2097	[-]
Posts: 16194 (03/16/09 5:47 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's been said over and over again, some people just don't want to believe it. Abby, just because you don't see what some other people see doesn't meant they are spoiled, it just means you are getting different things from the edit.
augustus713		#2098	[-]
Posts: 34 (03/16/09 6:02 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Fact: Stephen and Sierra are 1 and 2, in whichever order, on almost everyone's list right now. Fact: Erinn has done nothing to be eliminated edgically. Therefore, Erinn is bunched up with the best of the rest (JT, Brendan, Tyson) in whatever order you want to put them in. I don't understand why anybody is getting their panties in a bunch over this, it's much ado about nothing.
Kitty Pryde1		#2099	[-]
Posts: 9110 (03/16/09 6:08 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	augustus713 wrote: Fact: Stephen and Sierra are 1 and 2, in whichever order, on almost everyone's list right now. Fact: Erinn has done nothing to be eliminated edgically. Therefore, Erinn is bunched up with the best of the rest (JT, Brendan, Tyson) in whatever order you want to put them in. I don't understand why anybody is getting their panties in a bunch over this, it's much ado about nothing. It's because of the fanboys that rank Erinn at number 1 over Stephen/Sierra for silly, minor reasons.
craig		#2100	[-]
Posts: 15205 (03/16/09 6:17 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'd like to point out that visiting some threads in the Spoiler forum - while risky when real spoilers are floating around - is not the same thing as being spoiled or seeking to know source spoilers. By custom, things like James Barber's Insider treanscripts, Probst's blogs, and some booted contestant interviews are posted there for discussion, and sometimes scaps of info can be deduced in the same way we gain it from editing. Through editing gives far more away than interviews. The Bad sort of Spoilers that are supposed to be excluded from Spec are Source Spoilers. From Anti's sticky: This forum is meant as an alternative to Spoilers, to discuss ideas, theories, and other things that cannot be proven. Many people like to spoil the "traditional" way, without relying on "source" spoilers. No source spoilers or references to source spoilers (direct or subtle) may be posted in this forum. All speculation you wish to make regarding a source spoiler should be done in the appropriate thread in the Spoiler forum. "Source" spoilers are defined as information which has no direct evidence beyond the claims made by the poster providing the information. Mersaydeez' or bianca's spoilers would be considered source spoilers, as would any "a friend of a friend who knows Rafe/an editor told me" claim. It would also include the boot picks of any poster or website who is known or suspected to rely on source information. Weight-loss spoilers are an exception to this rule; while they are technically source spoilers, they do not narrow down any spoiling information and indeed are not a practical way of deriving it Analysis of publicly available and CBS sanctioned material, such as interviews, is not source spoiling. BTW, folks in spoilers have failed to correctly pick the bootee 4/5 weeks this season.

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