cindidindi76 wrote:
What sort of infection would one get from a chipped tooth?
major cavity?
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cindidindi76 wrote: major cavity? |
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The visibilities this episode seem completely skewed by Taj's ridiculous visibility which dragged up the average and gave everyone weird visibilities.
Therefore, I have weird ratings like OTTN1 and MOR1, but visibility is supposed to be separate from rating and tone, correct?
Brendan: MOR3 Taj's counterpart on the relatively quiet Timbira. However, while we got more from Taj with her family visit and her thoughts on her tribe, we didn't from Brendan. Brendan will need to show self awareness of his position within his tribe if he is to stay in hte game. Coach: OTTN1 His one scene this episode was once again making him look like a know-it-all who is wrong, and is subsequently made fun of by Erinn. A continuation of his one-note egotistical character all season. Debra: UTR1 No explanation needed. Erinn: UTR1 Her sole role was just to characterize Coach. Sierra: MOR2 Another nice cooldown holding episode where Sierra feels nicely cemented in her alliance. But we're going to need an introspective view next episode about her winning this game, not the alliance, if she is to stay above Stephen's winner chances. Tyson: MOR1 I'm slightly unsure of what to give Tyson as he was barely shown this episode, but the moment that his confessional and three sentences are pivotal to the game. Overall though, he was simply a narrator this episode, so I ended up going with MOR1, even though it looks weird. --- JT: MOR(M)3 We know that he's voting based on challenge performance and is there for the competition. Not one-note, but not particularly complex either. He's just there because he's the leader of the tribe. I didn't see why JT was getting a P last week, and this week I felt a minor negative for his attitude toward Stephen but also a minor P from the reward challenge so I could see both dynamic and static neutral. Joe: MOR3 I was surprised to see Joe have that high visibility. He was no the level of JT, not Spencer. Once again, even when he's there saying stuff, he's just bland and unmemorable. Spencer: CP4 We got a very introspective look into what being gay means for him and its relation to Survivor. A very decent boot episode. Stephen: CP3 So far, he is the only one out of the Exile Alliance that has extended beyond the Exile Alliance, and this is exactly what we needed from him after two holding episodes where we needed his thoughts on things. This was great for his winner chances, and definitely established Stephen to everyone. Sydney: UTR2 No explanation needed. Taj: CP(M)5 Taj, Taj, Taj. We got Taj's vision of the game, Taj's frustrations, Taj's alliancebuddies, etc. I definitely do not feel that she was one-note, considering we were given her thoughts and perspective on this entire episode. Her mixed tone is from her positiveness as an underdog, but her blowup after the challenge was unwarranted from what we have seen and negative. However, I could also understand a static neutral tone as both of these tones were weak. Winner chances: 1. Sierra 2. Stephen Sierra just barely edges out Stephen this time because Stephen got exactly what he needed this episode after the two previous holding episodes. However, Sierra is in a cooldown holding stage of her own, and if she looks beyond the alliance in terms of her winner chances next episode then she will be back to unchallenged top dog. |
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10marker01 wrote:Or you can just give them visibilities based on what you saw instead of following Warrior's chart. |
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Oowatanite wrote: Are the "enemies" those who have Edgically eliminated Erinn? At first I thought, damn, I'm not a member of the club, maybe I should change my picks. And then I remembered Groucho Marx's line. You know: I wouldn't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member. |
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Ok before I leave for a few days to go to Phoenix (the place that is lol), I had to get my ratings in.
I eased up a little. I don't usually give in, I guess I'm being a wimp this weak-oh well. My final ratings: TIMBIRA: Coach: MOR2 (really didn't do anything wrong this episode) Tyson: CP2 (his intuition and desire to change things up is certainly a CP) Deb: UTR1 (nada, again) Erinn: UTRN2 (if we gave Tyson N's in the past, then we really should give Erinn an N this week) Sierra: CP2 (I should have given her an N but took it away at the last minute) Brenden: CPN4 (mainly for his cockiness about exile island) JALAPAO: Spencer: OTTP5: If Jerry got an OTTP on his way out, so did Spencer. And Spencer was all over the episode so a 5 is right. JT: OTTM4, yeah the N was a little unfair probably, but he did have a temper (no, I wasn't drunk or high on Thursday lol) Stephen: CP3, definitely thinking about the game, but no tone, not yet at least Taj: OTTM5, a little bit on the cusp of CP-geez I am going back and forth about her N but I like her so much I don't want her to get one Joe: UTR2, nada but more than Deb and Sydney Sydney: UTR1, more nada than Joe Winners: 1. Sierra: I am conceding to putting her back at #1 but her confidence is really bothering me-hope she gets humbled soon; strange that she got two episodes in a row where she seemed like a goner and had two episodes in a row where she feels like she's on top-why two in a row of each? 2. Stephen: needs to be the #2 person, but really needs more depth; with all the big episodes people like Sierra, Taj, and Brenden have gotten, it bothers me that Stephen has not had a bigger episode. 3. Erinn: I surrender to giving her the #3 nod, although past Sierra and Stephen, I don't see anyone else winning. 4. Brenden: too much, but he is a distraction. He's Marcus from Gabon with the added icing of exile island visits on top. 5. Deb: only kidding-seeing if you were paying attention Eliminated: Joe Sydney Deb (this time I'm serious) |
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Jedi we can't give Erinn a N. She's the precious pretty girl of the season and anything she says is just GOLDEN. And Coach is the total villain of the
season so anyone bashing him =funny, unless it's Tyson then he's NEGATIVE.
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Awww yeah I'm an Erinn enemy!
I'm going to eat so much crow when this is all over I bet. I haven't been this passionate about swaying people into my camp since I mobilized the Gary Hawk-a-boom bandwagon 7 seasons ago. ETA: Erinnemy?
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RobVanStratus wrote:Tyson wasn't negative for bashing Coach, dipshit. Hewas negative for talking about crushing Erinn's dreams when she really wanted to play the game. |
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Negative SPV, when supported by footage, is not negative for the person who gives it.
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chaperone wrote:Gary had more of a chance to win than Erinn. She's nothing but an UTR loser that is going to fizzle out once Coach is gone. Tyson will probably crush her dreams like he wants to, but only after Coach is knocked out and he steps out of assistant coach into head coach. |
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Episode 5 ...One stands out...
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Jalapao... ![]() ![]()
JT MOR3 ![]() ![]()
Relentlessly MOR. JT is the leader of Jalapao and there's a lot more going on in the tribe than the edit is showing. (And I give Sierra credit for working hard enough to break the guy's tooth.) Joe MOR3 ![]()
Welcome to MOR, Joe! You are hereby the officially manipulated enemy of Taj. Spencer CPP4 ![]() ![]()
The eds let him tell his story. Stephen CP3 ![]() ![]()
His story continues to follow the season's theme of First Impressions. As we predicted, Stephen immediately gave a confessional that he was looking after himself before he did anything else. This episode also had him say the same thing about Brendan. Both confessionals established Stephen as approaching the Exile Alliance with more caution and apprehension than the other three.
If this was the merge ep and I had to choose a winner, it would be Stephen. Sydney UTR2 ![]()
I got nothin'... Taj CP5+ ![]()
Like Brendan and Sierra, she's all about the wonderful Secret Alliance and how she's "not so nervous", even though by going to Exile, "...you just separate yourself from the tribe..." ![]() ![]()
After the IC, she is shown telling the boys that now is the time for them to use their heads and not do things emotionally. She immediately goes emotionally ballistic.
After Stephen tells us that he's still looking out for himself , Taj tells us that Stephen, "[will] let me know if I really need to pull it out or not..." We are reminded by these two confessionals, that it's Stephen who holds the power, not Taj. At TC, Taj tells JP, "...Anything you do can cost you in this game, so an outburst is just (ph-h-ht!) another form of anything that can happen that gets you out of this game..."
Stephen is a silent observer at TC.
This episode, Taj talks and talks and talks. She seems oblivious of the danger of giving the idol away to Stephen and her mouth and behavior is getting a little loose and wild. We watch her starting to lose control of herself, becoming at the same time, overly confident and paranoid. ![]()
The post IC river scene showed that she feels a bit on the outs and nervous about her place in the tribe. Her eggs are all in the Secret Alliance basket, but she's already given away the idol. Timbira ![]() ![]()
Coach (aka, You know...) UTRN1 ![]() ![]()
Once again we have a scene where Coach is wrong in his analysis and predictions. It was a scene in which, once again, only Erinn seems to have any opinion. ![]()
But, it was interesting that the only other person featured in it was Sierra, who got two reaction shots. ![]()
Brendan MOR3
I really like how Brendan's being edited. On the surface, his edit seems to show someone in a powerful position, who as the brains, brawn, motivation, and luck to win it all. But, he's continually coming up short in his speeches (except for his "I'm not doing it for the money" speech). He's also part of the alliance group that talks of having the game sewn up. He tells us: "Every single kinda stage we've set has worked. And every time we've layered more people in the plan, you know, we've gotten more and more powerful." ![]() ![]()
At Exile, he narrates the stories of how he and then Stephen and Taj found the idols and where the alliance is at this point. Again, he says, "...It's gonna put us in a powerful spot!" There's a camera shot of Stephen looking down at Brendan, while Brendan builds a fire. It's an interestingly dominant position that the shot frames him in. ![]()
Stephen tells us, "Brendan. My first impression of him is positive, but wary. He's obviously an extremely strong player. /break/ and he's, you know, mentally strong and he's clearly strategically strong. /break/ but, /break/ it's hard to trust someone who /break/ you know, I've known him for five minutes. I can't place my entire faith in the game on him. /break/ So, I might keep this 2-tribe alliance in the back of my head as something that might be there, but I can't place my entire faith on this 4-person alliance." (cut to commercial) Debbie UTR1 ![]()
Wow, Deb gets some game talk. The Timbira split continues to show itself. Erinn UTR1 ![]()
More wry commentary on the Viking Samurai brave. Her edit continues to be tightly restricted to Tyson and Coach and no further. Sierra UTR2 ![]() ![]()
Sierra was placed in with the part of the alliance that is confident that they are unstoppable. This knocks her below Stephen on the winners podium this episode.
Sierra (off-camera), "That 4-way alliance is insane! We're going down to the end of the wire no matter what." Sierra to Brendan, "We rule! It's over!" (laughs) Sierra (off- camera), "Hallelujah, praise the Lord, (laughs), Amen, Jesus!" Sierra (on and off-camera), "After three days of being a loser /break/ when I first got here /break/ I'm proud of myself. I formed an amazing alliance /break/ It's really quite brilliant /break/ We're gonna take over the whole world. /break/ That's right! /break/ (laughter) This was clearly a very bad confessional for Sierra. Look at how constructed it is to make her look smug and overly impressed with the alliance:
Maybe she'll get to recover from this, but it was a hell of a scene. Tyson UTR1 ![]() ![]()
Tyse gets to show that he's no fool and his head's in the game. Winner Short List Stephen:
Fulfilling his theme of not being someone who can be lead around. Quite the opposite. We get in his head and know where he stands on all things critical to his game. He is out- thinking his alliance members. He's the only one being cautious analytical about the alliance's chances and dynamics. This episode separated Stephen from the pack. He's way out front. Sierra:
I've been concerned about her "If it's my time to go, it's my time to go." statements. I wasn't happy with her first "awesome alliance" speech at Exile. I still don't know how to read her "cute, but angry" SPV from Jalapao last ep. But her confessional scene this ep was very bad for her chances. Being lumped in with Brendan and Taj, as uncritically confident in the alliance, while Stephen gets just the opposite position, is bad bad bad. Still, she is above the rest of the pack. Can't Rule Out Brendan: He did heve his speech after finding the HII. He's got an idol. He's got an alliance. meh Erinn: Her edit has been relentlessly Tyson and Coach. JT: If JT can come out of the MOR stupor the edit has him, he could shoot up the winner list. So far, it doesn't seem likely. I'd be Shocked! (again...) Joe, Nuff said. Sydney, "Yeah Jeff, people stereotype me as another beautiful blond model with nothing to say, but... ...uh, I can't think of anything to say.." Taj, She's wound pretty tight and there's steam starting to come outta her ears. Get back! She's gonna blow!!! Coach, Ya know, if the edit could make him at all appealing in some goofy way, I'd say he could be our first N, jackass winner. But, it ain't gonna happen. Deb, Momma Deb. Tyson, Adds up to one of the big threats, but not a winner.
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RVS, you always get so carried away in your anti-fandom of the pretty girls (except Sugar, I guess she wasn't really pretty lol). How far into Micronesia,
if ever, did it take for you to realize that Parvati would probably win?
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Actually reading Edgic a little right now. I'm not going to have time to rewatch or take notes to do ratings, but I've laid my money on Stephen.
It's episode 5. This is the time to pick a winner.
I will say, the Erinn fandom.non-fandom stuff, whatever. Who cares if she's in a "top 3"? She's only #2 on my list since everyone else is so weak. Stephen's the only logical choice for me by a large margin. It's scary how much Erinn is physically resembling Jenna Morasca. Probst is clearly talking about JT as the fan favorite. Stong as Rupert. Real person. Tough, single handily keeping his tribe in challenges. Provider. It's all there. And perfect cover. You know I have never believed in the complex tribe stuff. I started Edgic in Vanuatu. of course. But consider that the complex tribe could be the ExIlliance. Like it matters. Can anyone explain the decision of the sudden shift in Taj, from snappy player to pissed off out of the blue? I know she was a boot target, but the post IC break was sich a sudden shift it felt odd. Michael |
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Wow-when I re-read the stuff that Sierra said about the exile alliance and let it soak in, it almost seems like she should be eliminated!
Nobody (except maybe Hatch) could EVER say that their alliance is unstoppable and keep repeating that they are sitting at the top over and over again and be considered a possible winner. The only thing I can think of is that the producers were trying to make it seem to obvious to be true, thus lending itself to doubt by reverse psychology? (instead of clear doubt, use a complete lack of doubt). But do we really think the editors are that creative or motivated? |
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My lack of tone
Based on my take on the Super- Secret, Cross-Tribal, Exile- Island Alliance, I probably should have given Taj, Brendan, and Sierra Ns. The tone to me was ambiguous, or at least hidden by the editors. I usually give a tone when it's been made obvious and clear. Okay, I'm tone stingy. Visibility And if people want to hand out 2s and 3s to players that they "feel" should be credited with more, be my guest. But, if it's a Close Call, I'm going with the objective Vis count (aka, Warrior's). What matters is that they rated UTRs. Yes, Taj's 5+ visibility made their Visibility numbers very low. That's what's called flying Under the Radar! Honestly, some posters seem to want to hand out Visibility scores like merit badges. (Sorry. Having a Taj moment...) |
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Jedijake wrote: There are the obvious parallels to Kenny in what Taj/Brendan/Sierra said. And pride cometh before a fall. That being said, in contrast to when Kenny got too big for his britches, we are only at Ep 5 - there is plenty of time for someone (Sierra ?) to have a good helping of humble pie, and bounce back. If/when the EA gets broken up, the reaction of the remaining members to its demise will be critical. Edited for typo
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I have so much discussion to catch up on. Without Internet from last Friday until today has been awful. Brendan - MOR3 "Coach" - UTR2 Merhag - UTR1 Erinn - UTR2 Sierra - UTR2 Tyson - MOR2 Joe - MOR3 JT - OTT3(4?) Spencer - CPP4 Stephen - CP3 Sydney - UTR1 Taj - CPM5 ELIMINATED: Brendan (awful premiere followed by a CP5 = distraction; the consistent face of the Exile Alliance, front-and-center, complete and utter distraction) "Coach" (consistently reinforced negativity, overbearing presence without proper cooldown) Merhag (INV) Joe (consistently UTR and without depth or personality) Sydney (INV) Taj (off-the-charts visibility; with Brendan, she is the edited face of the Exile Alliance and functions as the two-part shield covering Stephen and Sierra) Tyson (too OTT and caricaturized; has presence, personality and comments, but it's all completely unrelated to the game and only essential to the degree that it's entertaining) THE NON-ELIMINATED Erinn (despite UTR strings and a storyline focused almost solely on Tyson and "Coach," she hasn't done anything that I can eliminate her for) JT (he has a rather positive one-note presence as the provider and leader, but has not been edited as OTTP as he easily could be; he has plenty of time to reignite his premiere CP and procure a winning edit, so keep him as a last-ditch backup) THE WINNERS Sierra has all the right stuff: beginning CP, early understated tone, by-the-books cool down episodes that retain dangling ends and meaty elements, a direct connection with the seasonal theme and storyline, a ring of distractions, being part of the complex tribe... what are the drawbacks??? The editors' hands are all over Sierra, and she's being molded into a perfect winner. Yes, she was cocky last episode, but it's not going to destroy her. She has plenty of time to earn her doubt and experience setbacks. Her story is developing at exactly the right pace and I'm looking forward to its conclusion. Stephen has nearly perfect ratings, earning unnecessary MOR's, balancing a nice positive tone that's not in-your-face, being connected to uber distraction Taj and possible distraction JT, relevant dangling game comments, a portrayal as a true gamer with a heart of gold... what concerns me is that I'm not sure what his editorial function is. He seems to act as a narrator sometimes, and he's been used to build up episodic storylines and the edit of others (think of his premiere episode as a leg of JT's edit, or his personal comments in the past episode that were used only to build suspense over whether Taj would go home or not). He has the meat, the distractions, and the backburner aspect of a winner, but I'm concerned that he's been used to further the edit of others or to build episodic suspense when he should have been receiving his own edit. |
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craig wrote:I didn't expect the F2 and I pegged the F3 being Amanda/Parvati/Cirie. But I figured Cirie would beat out the other 2 for being useless. I expected Parvati to possibly win after the merger when she still had that horseshoe up her ass covered in leprechaun shit. But she was never my top pick. I had pegged Cirie first, then Erik was my #2 choice because he had that great story of learning from Ozzy and rising from his ashes to victory. I don't get carried away with anti-fandom of pretty girls. I didn't hate Paloma or Jacquie or Kelly last season. Just found them boring for the most part, but Kelly definitely spiced it up at the end of her time. Plus Sugar was hot and she dominated, not to mention some of my favorites have been Colleen, Liz, Jerri, Kelly G., Neleh, Eliza, Stephenie, Candice, Michelle Y., Peih-Gee, Natalie, Sugar, Sierra, all pretty young girls. So to argue I hate all pretty girls is bullshit. I hate the boring ones and I know people will bitch about Michelle Y. being boring but she was spunky. And Sierra I actually hated pre-season and now I like her. If anyone gets carried away it's people like you, OO, and ILT that pick out a pretty girl pre-season and then peg her as the winner. You claim her edit shows her as this plucky underdog sweetheart that is going to be backstabbed and then rise up from being an outcast. Fact is thus far Erinn hasn't been backstabbed, she fucked up by befriending the one everyone was booting and tried to cover it up with crocodile %!%#% after smirking about someone getting sick enough to keep her around another few days. And then she bashes people, even though Coach is a smug asshole he didn't come off negative in the last episode. Just because Coach incorrectly predicted the weather doesn't mean that he is just negative again. There is a difference between stupid and negative. Coach was stupid and Erinn was just flat out rude and negative. Erinn deserves a N for her comment. I get that Tyson's negativaty came from more than just his mocking of Coach, but his negativaty of Coach is part of why people gave him a N. Erinn was one note in the last episode, coming out from UTR to call Coach a jackass because he incorrectly predicted the weather. Um hello, weathermen get it wrong all the time so I wouldn't expect Coach to get it right either. |
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Maybe I'm crazy, but the confidence of the EA doesn't seem to remind me of previous overconfidence. They're alliance IS working, it IS brilliant.
They have control of all the idols... they are in a perfect position. The fact that they are being "discovered" now gives doubt, but it doesn't
mean them being really proud of what they accomplished is negative. Ken's confidence verses Sierra's is completely different. Listen to the background
music!
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I really believe it's down to Stephen or Sierra now. Stephen moved ahead of Sierra for me after the last episode both because of a very strong episode for
Stephen and a relatively weak episode for Sierra. The problem with Sierra, as many have noted, is that she has had essentially the same over-confident
confessional for the past 2 weeks in a row. This is in stark contrast to Stephen, who analyzed his different options and chose not to entrust his entire game
on any one path or alliance. I think it would be wise, however, to wait for a Timbira TC (or the merge if Timbira does not go to a TC before then) to get a
more definitive handle on how Sierra is being edited.
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