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chidelta wrote:

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Weve seen characters besides these two try to exert free will, and are stopped by the Island/force of fate. But mostly, weve seen the losties doing exactly what they were supposed to do, and what theyve always done.

Im sure that will change going into the final season though, but for now...as characters try to enact free will to change their fate. But for right now, this is the conceit of the show, and the force of fate/destiny is apparent.

Oh, I get it now. So the all-knowing island, conduit of fate, giver and taker of lives, is only putting the kibosh on free will for Season 5.

Hmm...no, the kibosh on "free will" has been going on season 1-5..and well before that and well after that!

The all-knowing island knows what happened, what is, and what is supposed to be...and for all this time since its existence has been maneuvering people to do what they were supposed to to make everything the way it is.

All im saying, is that since this has been set up as a fact on the show, in this season and the final season, we'll see the writers play with that conflict of free will over the fate of the island. Weve already seen Desmond dabble in it in Season 4, and him and Faraday are already pushing it in Season 5. You have to show the audience the rules of whats been going on before you show them characters trying to break them, ya know?

Everyone else (at least the losties) have been doing what they always did/supposed to. Locke didnt tell Richard to give him that watch, and decide to give it back to Richard, and tell him to see his birth as a whim...he said it cause its always what he said/did. Who knows why it happened that way the first time, but we do know that the Island is doing what it can to keep things happening the way it did.

chidelta wrote:

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Keep up the good work, phantom, but for me, these last few sentences (including the final hedging) help demonstrate why for many of us your theory is too convenient, and only partially right. Let's have an example of a character who has been stopped by the island/force of fate because they tried to exert free will. Shouldn't your argument apply across the board, to all who have removed from the equation? If not, why not? For example, were Shannon or Libby or Nikki really killed because it was their destiny, or because they were trying to alter their true path? No, these were accidents, which had nothing to do with either construct (though of course everything on the show can be explained by calling it destiny). .

lol everything that has happened on the show IS being explained by this thing called destiny! Locke said it in Season 1, Faraday is explaining it in season 5.

Shannon, Libby, Nikki...all died cause they were supposed to. Charlie ended up dying cause he was supposed to. Weve seen the Island do things to keep people from doing things they arents supposed to (like Locke trying to reach that plane, twice) the Island doesnt have to kill someone to stop them. So for now, im going to assume they were supposed to die anyways. They were always supposed to be on the island. We know that, cause they always have been! Time on this show is a complete ball. past/present/future already happened..and its trying to keep it that way.

The conflict of the show is that we are seeing people trying to help the Island, or go against it. Ta da. Who will win? Thats the idea.

chidelta wrote:

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Perhaps we need an exception to the rule that says any minor character who gets a DUI or a spot on another TV pilot is given a get-off-the-island-wheel-of-fate free pass.

Funny, but...real life circumnstances doesnt matter in terms of the story.

Yes, Eko was killed off by the smoke monster cause he didnt want to be on the show any more, true. But, that doesnt mean his death cant be explained on the show as something that was always meant to be anyways (like Bens mother dying after his birth..im sure that actress would have loved to be on the show more! :P)

chidelta wrote:

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And I still didn't see an answer to my question of why the island let them go in the first place if it was their destiny to stay on the island. Couldn't a lot of money and jet fuel have been saved by keeping them there? Even the island must know we are in the midst of an economic crisis. .

In case you havent noticed, the island did try its hardest to keep them there lol...did so for 4 seasons in fact! Desmond was a wild card though, and im sure there are more. Im sure other people are working against the force of the Island to change fate (Widmore/Ben perhaps?)

In any case, the island didnt let them go. I think the island was facing greater dangers (widmore?) and had to "move" immediately...it had alot of things to worry about, that it wasnt able to keep the 06 from barely escaping on that helicopter (obviously it couldnt kill them to stop them, it needed them alive)