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tullfan2		#21	[-]
Posts: 3193 (03/09/09 06:42 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts	Remove this ad JDD wrote: Joe would make a bit more sense, because Sydney did admitt that she flirted more with him over the others, which could then make him even a bigger threat to those like JT, and if Taj ever wants to take Sydney in, she would have to get rid of her biggest ally, also Spencer hasn't been shown much, so I dont feel like his episode that he will be relevant in would be due to his strength or lack there of. I would think that Spencer or Stephen would more likely than Joe to be the non-performer in the challenge. However, Stephen may be geeky but he has gone all out in the challenges. Spencer, on the other hand, has been integral in both Jalapao IC loses. He, along with Sydney, blew the lead that Jalapao had by taking forever to complete the table maze in the episode 1 IC and he gave misdirection and caused the group to get confused doing the puzzle in the episode 4 IC. From what I've seen, Spencer has a tendency to either panic or freeze during challenges. I have yet to see Spencer do anything noteworthy in any of the challenges. He is my first choice to be the challenge non-performer (since the clue says that it is a male) If Joe goes out next, it will be because Taj or Stephen uses the HII and he is the victim. It is really unlikely that Sydney is going to turn on Joe when Sandy said in an interview that he argued for her to be kept last time.
birdlady		#22	[-]
Posts: 2318 (03/09/09 06:55 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts	From what we've seen, and from post-boot interviews, Spencer doesn't seem to have a tight alliance (although he doesn't seem to have enemies). Could they boot someone without a visibility spike? He's gotten a decent number of confessionals, we remember he exists, although an awful lot of them were about dearly departed Sandy.
Katy Carney		#23	[-]
Posts: 4819 (03/09/09 07:00 PM) More Recent Posts	I really think the guy who doesn't perform is from the RC losing tribe, not the IC losing tribe.
tullfan2		#24	[-]
Posts: 3197 (03/09/09 08:07 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts	birdlady wrote: From what we've seen, and from post-boot interviews, Spencer doesn't seem to have a tight alliance (although he doesn't seem to have enemies). Could they boot someone without a visibility spike? He's gotten a decent number of confessionals, we remember he exists, although an awful lot of them were about dearly departed Sandy. After, I posted here, I found an article at Reality TV World where Todd Herzog revealed that he and Spencer are dating. The timing of this revelation could mean that Spencer is out soon. Todd said that they met a month before his season started (I'm assuming that Todd meant start of broadcast rather than start of production). http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/survivor-china-champ-todd-herzog-dating-tocantin-spencer-duhm-8583.php This is the part of the article that is most incriminating. He's coming to stay with me all next week, and I with him next month. I'll be in New York for his finale in May and we are planning a huge trip this summer... Survivor Tocantins is pre-empted by March Madness next week. So, Spencer may be taking a break from being with Todd, to do the usual media tour after he is voted out in the episode after the next one or possibly the episode after that. Todd's revelation of their plans could mean that Spencer lasts at most a few more episodes. Also some further evidence that things look bad for Jalapao from big mouth Sandy. *Is being the oldest the kiss of death in Survivor?* It is most definitely an image battle. But age is just a number. As you saw, I held my own and did whatever I needed to do in challenges. The first one Sydney and Spencer didn't get through the maze. I had it figured out. It took her forever to get the puzzle piece. Sydney was the cause of us going to the two councils. I had a target on my back from the first two minutes of the game, but I made a reprieve. If the vote was done over, I think that Sydney would have been the one and I think in the next few episodes you'll see the regret. So, Sandy is telling us that Jalapao loses the next few Immunity Challenges and that Sydney is not the next one to go. http://tvwatch.people.com/2009/03/09/survivors-sandy-hef-shes-waiting-on-your-call/
Katy Carney		#25	[-]
Posts: 4820 (03/09/09 09:26 PM) More Recent Posts	I'm not sure about the losing streak as they could only lose two more immunities, but to me it sounds like maybe Sydney fucks some people over traitor-style, which was hinted at last episode. Regret <3
IntoTemptation		#26	[-]
Posts: 380 (03/09/09 11:21 PM) More Recent Posts	tullfan2 wrote: birdlady wrote: From what we've seen, and from post-boot interviews, Spencer doesn't seem to have a tight alliance (although he doesn't seem to have enemies). Could they boot someone without a visibility spike? He's gotten a decent number of confessionals, we remember he exists, although an awful lot of them were about dearly departed Sandy. After, I posted here, I found an article at Reality TV World where Todd Herzog revealed that he and Spencer are dating. The timing of this revelation could mean that Spencer is out soon. Todd said that they met a month before his season started (I'm assuming that Todd meant start of broadcast rather than start of production). http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/survivor-china-champ-todd-herzog-dating-tocantin-spencer-duhm-8583.php This is the part of the article that is most incriminating. He's coming to stay with me all next week, and I with him next month. I'll be in New York for his finale in May and we are planning a huge trip this summer... Survivor Tocantins is pre-empted by March Madness next week. So, Spencer may be taking a break from being with Todd, to do the usual media tour after he is voted out in the episode after the next one or possibly the episode after that. Todd's revelation of their plans could mean that Spencer lasts at most a few more episodes. Also some further evidence that things look bad for Jalapao from big mouth Sandy. *Is being the oldest the kiss of death in Survivor?* It is most definitely an image battle. But age is just a number. As you saw, I held my own and did whatever I needed to do in challenges. The first one Sydney and Spencer didn't get through the maze. I had it figured out. It took her forever to get the puzzle piece. Sydney was the cause of us going to the two councils. I had a target on my back from the first two minutes of the game, but I made a reprieve. If the vote was done over, I think that Sydney would have been the one and I think in the next few episodes you'll see the regret. So, Sandy is telling us that Jalapao loses the next few Immunity Challenges and that Sydney is not the next one to go. http://tvwatch.people.com/2009/03/09/survivors-sandy-hef-shes-waiting-on-your-call/ OMFG!!! PLZPLZPLZLETTHISBETRUE!!!!!<33333
tullfan2		#27	[-]
Posts: 3198 (03/10/09 08:11 AM) Registered User More Recent Posts	There is a new extended promo (vidcaps at Survivor Fever) which indicates that we will see Spencer come out to his tribemates in this weeks episode. Announcer: Plus, will one castaway's secret life hurt him? Spencer <in confessional>: They are maybe inclined to get rid of somebody like me This reminds me of Episode 6 of Panama/Exile Island when we saw Dan the Astronaut reveal his secret to his tribe (that scene actually occurred much earlier in the season) and then get booted in the same episode (but not because he was an astronaut) The promo clip together with the timing of Todd going public with their relationship makes me think that Spencer is this week's boot. Sandy already spilled the beans that Sydney does not go this week. I only see Joe being booted if Taj uses the HII and votes for him and everyone else votes for her. But with Taj's surprise vote for him at the last TC, I don't see Joe and the rest of the tribe risking that she would play the HII. That leaves Spencer as the most likely boot choice as JT and Stephen are not going anywhere.
birdlady		#28	[-]
Posts: 2320 (03/10/09 08:54 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts	Does the happy tribe all of a sudden become the homophobic tribe? Even if that is not at all part of why Spencer is booted, would the editors allow us the slightest opportunity to have that impression? Shouldn't they have been showing him underperforming or whatever all along, at least a little?
crzypunk2004		#29	[-]
Posts: 4175 (03/10/09 09:00 AM) Registered User More Recent Posts	I don't see Taj, Sydney, Stephen having a problem with it. I don't see JT and Joe having a problem with it either, I think it's just misdirection.
tullfan2		#30	[-]
Posts: 3199 (03/10/09 10:23 AM) Registered User More Recent Posts	Remove this ad birdlady wrote: Does the happy tribe all of a sudden become the homophobic tribe? Even if that is not at all part of why Spencer is booted, would the editors allow us the slightest opportunity to have that impression? Shouldn't they have been showing him underperforming or whatever all along, at least a little? There is a clue in the press release which says that a man is in hot water for underperforming in the Immunity Challenge. If you look at the vidcaps, in the part where Spencer is featured, you can see JT/Joe confronting Spencer about something. There, Joe has his head down, JT looks really pissed and Spencer looks embarrassed with his hand over his face. It's possible that they are confronting him about causing them to lose the IC. Spencer might not even reveal his lifestyle to his tribe and he may just talk about it in a confessional. The promo may just be hype. Given all the evidence, Spencer is the most likely boot for whatever reason. Sandy spoiled that Sydney is safe and it would take something outlandish (like Taj using the HII) for Joe to get booted next episode. I think that Spencer, Sydney and Joe (honorary Nick Stanbury boot at the merge in episode 7) are the next 3 out in that order. If it is a Final 2, Joe would go to Loser Lodge rather than be the first juror.
birdlady		#31	[-]
Posts: 2321 (03/10/09 11:20 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts	Right, I'm just wondering if MB and them want a story arc where in the same episode they reveal that Spencer underperforms and that he is gay. If he comes out to the tribe, for whatever reason, they'd want to show that, cause it's like reality. But if they want the story to be that he is booted for underperforming, they should have mentioned that sooner, cause otherwise, it looks like he is booted for being gay and underperforming, which isn't consistent with likeable cast. (As opposed to say, Sydney, who is underperforming and, as far as we know, straight.) Unless he comes out and then pleads to be sent home so that he can meet Todd. You could make it work with some story that Sydney has all the straight men wrapped around her finger and runs a vendetta against strapping young Spencer because he is immune to her charms, but that is still a sudden negative plunge for Jalapao. And if that really were her strategy, she should take out strapping old Taj first, anyways. Does Taj reveal the idol and tell Sydney to go ahead and wreak havoc on the tribe, confident that Joe and JT will be post-merge targets? There's a lot of ways Stephen is a reasonable next boot, except for the coming out part.
Mikester		#32	[-]
Posts: 1516 (03/10/09 12:18 PM) More Recent Posts	Spencer being the one that under-performs in the challenge would hold consistent with Sandy saying that her tribe will regret getting rid of her. The scene where Spencer, Joe, and JT are in the lake talking could be anything. Though I agree with birdlady that revealing the "Spencer's gay" storyline in the episode he gets voted off will most likely leave us with a negative impression of Jalapao, which I don't think the editors want.
Katy Carney		#33	[-]
Posts: 4823 (03/10/09 12:29 PM) More Recent Posts	Spencer, Debbie and Joe are the only people left in the cast without a storyline (although Joe's storyline could be that he's under Sydney's spell), but to me the Spencer stuff is too obvious. Plus he certainly hasn't lived up to his "great character" status on Jeff Probst's list, so I think he's safe for a bit. I still think the boot will be Joe, Taj, Brendan or Tyson.
JediJeffro		#34	[-]
Posts: 498 (03/11/09 02:39 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts	I can picture a Spencer boot episode being very similar to Robb Zbacnik's. He knows he's on the outs of the tribe for whatever reason (bad performance?) and is probably meat when they go to Tribal, so we get a scene with a weepy and deep conversation about Spencer finding himself and coming out and whatnot, like Sook Jai's discussion about Robb. Everyone comes to grips with it, he gets booted anyway, and we still get to feel good. Would be a memorable episode, too. Probably enough even to qualify him as a "character," as it were.
tullfan2		#35	[-]
Posts: 3204 (03/11/09 06:32 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts	Probst's preview for Episode 5 is up at Survivor Phoenix. It's mainly about an emerging power struggle between Coach and Brendan. His tribemates have figured out that Brendan is selectively choosing people from the other tribe to go to Exile and is forming relationships with them. Coach says that once they reach the merger, Brendan will be in control and he will be a bystander. This is a suprisingly astute observation from Coach who has been clueless for the first part of the season. I still think that Jalapao loses this week. Does Timbira throw the 6th IC and boot Brendan? Or if Jalapao loses the 6th IC, do Coach, Tyson and Debbie form a 2nd cross-tribal alliance with the two remaining Jalapao tribe members that are not in Brendan's alliance to counter what Brendan is doing? It figures that just as this season is starting to heat up, we get stuck with a 2 week break because of that March Madness crap. http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/postnuke/html/index.php I also just saw that the preview was posted by kenc in the Solving Riddles thread. Last Edited By: tullfan2 03/11/09 06:36 PM. Edited 1 times.
crocophile		#36	[-]
Posts: 10495 (03/12/09 09:43 AM) MESS Moderator More Recent Posts	If Taj and her Idol come into play I think it's simple...she goes for her biggest rival - Sydney. If it's a straight vote out I'd say Joe or Sydney. Sandy could just mean she felt they needed her in challenges. She could feel she's a stronger competitor than a man or men, as well as Sydney. Sydney pops into that because last week it was her or Sandy atTC.
Trixiego		#37	[-]
Posts: 16338 (03/12/09 10:14 AM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish More Recent Posts	I find it interesting that they played up in the promos Sierra/Taj and the woman thing and will it backfire. They are on different tribes so it is interesting there is hype on this particular alliance (without any mention of Brendan/Stephen, it was all geared toward the women) I wonder why that was done for THIS particular episode; it isn't as if much could really be done with this alliance since they are on different tribes right now so why the hype of these two and the "women" alliance and questioning if it would work (with a nice throw in by Joe); it would be different if they are on the same tribe. Except for the Brendan stuff and Spencer's confessional, there wasn't much else. But I am curious why the big deal now over Taj/Sierra - it is still fairly early to pimp this - I could understand this more if we knew the merger was around the corner or a switch was happening - I haven't followed along this week on who the boot de jour is, I would hope these promos aren't signaling Taj leaving (I say Taj over Sierra since it seems most people think Jalo may go to TC) Regardless, anyone have thoughts on this (IMO) premature hype of this alliance? Coach's stuff is explainable if he is observing the deal with Brendan and he discusses HIS future because of it but the show itself is hyping the "females" - seems a bit off to me unless of course this is a fairly low key episode without a lot of pomp and circumstance so they are hyping something that isn't a factor for the hell of it.
rower	Episode 5 - Story Arcs	#38	[-]
Posts: 1917 (03/12/09 03:16 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts	Trixigo - I'm thinking that the "woman's alliance" doesn't have so much to do with Sierra and Taj as it does with Taj and Sydney. (I think one of the promo pictures has Sydney and Taj sitting in chairs together have a convo) I think that Taj approaches Sydney and puts forth a scenerio where the women will control. but at the same time does not let Sydney in on the cross-tribe alliance. Sydney, whose whole story line thus far has been her strategy of using the Parvati strategy of "flirt till it hurts" this week will show the "sneaky" side that she professed loving last week. Sydney will go to the guys (among them, Stephen) and rat out Taj's plan. Stephen will tell Taj who will let him know that it was a "ploy" to try and find out "how trustworthy" Sydney is. Having failed the "trustworty" test, Taj, Stephen, JT and Spencer (who will be feeling vulnerable due to his lack of IC performance) will come together to blindside Sydney. Joe will be mad. We will be convinced (as viewers) that either Taj or Spencer are going to be voted out but will be in "shock and awe" that yet another blindside occurred helping to fulfill JP's prophecy of a record number of blindsides this season.
mahdoo		#39	[-]
Posts: 106 (03/12/09 03:38 PM) More Recent Posts	Trixiego wrote: I find it interesting that they played up in the promos Sierra/Taj and the woman thing and will it backfire. They are on different tribes so it is interesting there is hype on this particular alliance (without any mention of Brendan/Stephen, it was all geared toward the women) I wonder why that was done for THIS particular episode; it isn't as if much could really be done with this alliance since they are on different tribes right now so why the hype of these two and the "women" alliance and questioning if it would work (with a nice throw in by Joe); it would be different if they are on the same tribe. Except for the Brendan stuff and Spencer's confessional, there wasn't much else. But I am curious why the big deal now over Taj/Sierra - it is still fairly early to pimp this - I could understand this more if we knew the merger was around the corner or a switch was happening -..snip... I have wondered about the "full promo" and its contents in contrast to the "sports promo" and its contents. I'm pondering maybe the "wimmin try to take control" thing in the sports promo was possibly just to hook sports viewer's interest? Yet, in that sports promo, they flash to three Timbiria women (Sierra, Debbie, Erinn) right next is...Jalapao Taj. Different women in the full promo. Then it the "full promo" as you said.....we're shown "flash backs" to exisled Taj/Sierra...Here it gets "symbolic" and we have flashes, light eggs, and dual pictures of SEVERAL players. I have yet to complete my analysis, but I recall a side by side fire-filled portrait of Sierra/Taj, that morphed into Sydney/Taj, and then dang to confuserate me...one of Taj/and a diving JT. (Or other male). There is definitely foreshadowing, but I don't think it foreshadows Taj's demise. They went "deep" with that promo and I don't yet grasp its meaning. And I do think there will be a merge before we see it play out. Not ready to spill my "hinkies" just yet.
cindidindi76		#40	[-]
Posts: 16099 (03/12/09 05:39 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts	Remove this ad He's coming to stay with me all next week, and I with him next month. I'll be in New York for his finale in May and we are planning a huge trip this summer... Survivor Tocantins is pre-empted by March Madness next week. So, Spencer may be taking a break from being with Todd, to do the usual media tour after he is voted out in the episode after the next one or possibly the episode after that. Do they even really do a "media tour" anymore? Isn't a lot of the stuff over the phone these days? Plus, that doesn't really mean there's any sort of break, just that they try to take a week a month together and take turns traveling.

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