Vee was in the minority, but she did end up voting for Rob at the merge.That's why the first part of the rule says, "If your original tribe/alliance has the majority at the merge." Vecepia was not in the majority at the merge either way.
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Iron Laws of Survivor Gameplay - Get into Majority Alliance
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Posts: 8981 (02/18/09 12:10 PM) Registered User |
yeah, seriously. Slow night last night, craig?
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Captain Bellamy |
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Posts: 1053 (02/18/09 12:15 PM) |
I think the only iron laws of Survivor are that there are no iron laws.
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Posts: 4820 (02/18/09 3:20 PM) Registered User |
Find yourself a Exile Island/Cook Islands style HII and tell everyone you have it. That seemed to work pretty well for a couple of people.
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craig |
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Posts: 15004 (02/18/09 5:38 PM) Registered User |
Read carefully, there is an OR.
" You must get into the majority alliance before the switch OR the merge to win Survivor." Vee got in the majority before the switch, as did every winner in a season with a switch. In non-switch seasons, every winner got into the majority alliance before the merge. This rule would deserve a "duh" reaction is it only held 80% of the time. What's interesting is how many exceptions have made the endgame yet lost (Ozzy, Matt, Sugar, etc). While conversely, 6/17 winners have fallen into the minority for several TCs post-merge and still won. Having the majority pre-merge is actually more important than keeping it post-merge.
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Posts: 7614 (02/18/09 5:42 PM) Registered user |
I think there's definitely a correlation thing at work- the good players can both get into a majority alliance AND survive in the minority till an
opportunity arises.
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Posts: 15005 (02/18/09 5:53 PM) Registered User |
IMO, correlation =/= causation when it comes to alliance majorities early on. Very rarely do those early alliances have enormous bearing on the endgame because of twists and turns. ... Prime example is Chris... he was in the majority, but how does that affect anything once all his allies were gone? Therefore, its hard to say that it was essential to his win. Same with Danni.I agree with CR and Kirblar on the correlation thing, it was implicit in my discussion of Danni vs Cindy\Judd. Getting into the majority is a sign of a competent player. One thing I'd add is that Chris and Danni at least got to have some of their best allies on the jury. Other winners like Jenna eliminated most of their enemies pre-jury, Yul had a big advantage because all his original allies made jury and all Ozzy's original allies were wiped out. |
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Posts: 4828 (02/18/09 9:31 PM) Registered User |
Having the majority pre-merge is actually more important than keeping it post-merge. Definately true; a big part of that is pre-merge you don't have the ability to save yourself on an individual basis. Your tribe loses immunity, and you're in the minority, you're in big, big trouble. At least post merge you have the chance to win individual immunity, which people like Danni and Chris who were in the minority pulled off at very important times. BTW, I'd say its more accurate to say that Heidi eliminated Jenna's enemies pre-jury. ;) |
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Quiddity wrote: Agreed. I know she gets a bad rap here but I think Heidi was an amazing player. I wish they would do another battle of the sexes because it always forces at least one woman to come out as an alpha dog (Ami, Heidi, Deena), where as in mixed tribes, the women are content to let a man come out and be the leader. |
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solesurvivor01 wrote:Except if you're Bob and you have Sugar wanting to take all the good/popular people to the end. |
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Posts: 175 (02/20/09 7:32 AM) |
I dunno if my memory serves me right but Vecepia did make the majority of Maraamu pre-switch with Rob, Sean and Sarah. Post-switch she seemed "in"
with the Rotu 4 taking 5th place. When the mutiny happened, she again is "in" with the new majority alliance with Sean, Kathy, Neleh, Paschal. Wow, I
didn't really realize how Vee made this all possible.
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Posts: 2 (02/20/09 11:22 AM) |
Rule whatever: Apparently Caucasians can't win in the final tribal council against minorities.
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Kirblar |
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Posts: 7635 (02/20/09 12:00 PM) Registered user |
themefromshaft wrote:Uh, Bob just won the previous season. 
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Quiddity |
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Posts: 4845 (02/20/09 5:16 PM) Registered User |
And whats the sample size he's basing that on, two seasons? (Pearl Islands and Marquesas)
watch the show! :P
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Posts: 15098 (03/04/09 10:38 PM) Registered User |
This season is weird, in that after 3 episodes we really don't know who is in the majority.
On the Red tribe, it has been hidden. I suspect that tomorrow will see a TC vote that will split the tribe in two. Previews seem to suggest they'll be getting story that leads to TC. Black has two competing majority factions. There is Coach alliance which includes all the guys plus Debbie. And there is Brandon's exile alliance with includes Sierra and possibly Erinn. That tribe reminds me of Ogakor with Coach in the role of Jerri - the leader who forges a majority alliance at the start, but is a bad social player. Brandon would then be Colby, Jerry would be Mitchell getting sick, and Sierra\Erinn would be Tina\Keith seeking to get the strong guy on their side. Brandon already is working Taj to be his Elisabeth\Rodger. |
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chapera rocks |
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Posts: 10502 (03/05/09 12:38 AM) Registered User |
His name is fucking BRENDAN.
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Posts: 7885 (03/05/09 11:28 AM) Registered User |
chapera rocks wrote: But he doesn't have a pair of tits, so craig doesn't give a shit. |
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Posts: 15100 (03/05/09 2:49 PM) Registered User |
As opposed yo you RVS, who are just as delusional in not giving credit to a male mastermind like Fairplay as a female one like Parvati.
Okay he's BrendaN, not the city in Manitoba where my brother-in-law used to live.
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Captain Bellamy wrote: The first rule of Survivor, is you don't talk about Survivor (lest yee receive surprise buttsex from EPMB) 
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Posts: 7888 (03/05/09 8:54 PM) Registered User |
craig wrote:Neither Fairplay or Parvati are strategic masterminds. Fairplay was nothing more than a goat that got dragged along because Burton saw him as his only chance to win. Also like Parvati he lucked out in the game that Rupert was more betrayed by Trish so they targetted her instead of Jon and the fact that Drake feared a Burton/Shawn reunion that Shawn left. No Outcasts and his ass doesn't even make it to the endgame, he'd be booted early-mid jury. And Parvati is nothing more than an overrated skank that lucked into her majority and lucked into surviving. Fairplay doesn't quit, she's gone first. Jonathan doesn't get evacuated, that changes Kathy quitting, and that also adds another IC or two to the game. If NuAirai loses one of those ICs, Parvati is done from the Jonathan/Eliza/Kathy/Alexis/Natalie/Jason majority. And then you have James' evacuation where he could have easily fucked the favorites and allied with the fans to get rid of Parvati. Both lucky, overrated trash. Neither the great strategic minds that they are claimed to be. |
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