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Not done with the questions and man, it really shouldn't be this complicated. So anyone who thinks Locke is dead (the O6) as well as Sawyer and Co. (who probably assume he died in the hole) and Ben.. any of them who talk about Locke count as mentioning someone who died/appeared dead. Right? Now, what if Ben runs into Locke and says Locke's name AFTER seeing he somehow is alive? Locke did die technically.. so even if Ben sees Locke alive, is he still mentioning someone who died or appeared dead?It gets better. The time skipping can cause some issues. We saw Jin in a Dharma outfit. If we see any character with Dharma folks and they mention any name of a Dharma dude or dudette, technically they are saying the name of someone who was gassed to death and in present time is DEAD. Some we could recognize like (pulling this outta my ass) like Ben's dad, little Ben, Annie, Horace, etc.. all but Ben we know those people are most likely DEAD, just not in the timeline the Losties shifted to. So 4 people could call Roger Linus by name and that would count as 4 because we saw him gassed to death. Two people could say the name of any Dharma guy and that would add two more because we know/or assume all those people are dead. (except Ben) Kinda like if this question was during the week of Jin seeing young Danielle.. had he said her name or referred to her, he would count as a character mentioning a dead person. Because she is dead. Now.

Wow, good but complicated question Felicia. What in the world was I thinking writing that question? I think I'm getting Minkowski's Disease just thinking about it! :p I guess I just didn't think about all that but let me try to sort it out as best I can by the way I ended up wording the question:

Since I didn't specify, anyone who we have seen die or appear dead would count, even if they came back to life or even if it's back in time before they died, or even if the person talking about them doesn't know of their (possibly in the future) death. So a person could be speaking directly to someone who has died on the program and it will count.

However, we have to know specifically that that person has died that they're mentioning. It can't be a random Dharma person we assumed died in the gassing or anything like that, but it can be Roger Linus or someone we specifically know died during course of the show (obviously everyone will eventually die at some point in time so it has to be someone who's died/appeared dead in an episode).

And by the way, to go ahead and clarify, "appearing to be dead" means they looked for all purposes to be dead like Locke or Christian, not that we thought they were dead like Jin, or to further the point even Locke's ex-girlfriend Helen wouldn't count.

The "what" question - It seemed simple until I read what came after it. Just saying "what?" is simple. Hey Sawyer! Sawyer says: What?? Locke's not dead! Jack says: WHAT?? I didn't get the addition to the question that nothing else can be said after "what" unless someone else speaks first. What is what. Right?

cindi's got it right. I was trying to clarify so someone wouldn't argue that anytime someone said "What" it counted. It either has to be the beginning of the scene or someone else has to say something, then the person has to say "What?", then it has to be the end of the scene or someone else saying something. So the person saying "What?" can't say anything else before or after in the scene unless someone else has spoken.

#15. So, dad and my sister would count. What if someone mentions Claire and Jack says "we should search for her". Technically Claire would be the answer if she's the last person on the list mentioned, BUT even if it's 100% the "her" is Claire, it doesn't count because he didn't say Claire? Is that correct?

Yes, that is correct since I said "by name". "Her" and other pronouns won't count. He must say their actual name except for his relations, since for instance he probably wouldn't refer to his father as "Christian", so "Dad" or "my father" would count.

And before anyone asks, the non-people answers to #15, as long as he mentions them by name in some close enough form it counts - "time travels" "traveling in time" are both good, "her death" "he's dead" are both good (something like "they're dying" wouldn't count because it's not a death yet), and I guess for "island" he really needs to say just that because there are no other close enough forms of it I can think of.

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#6 will probably have to go to the spoiler judges. I think it was revealed during the promo of the last show.

You know what.. I don't mean to be offensive or sound like an ass but I'm really tired of the spoiler crap. It's up to each of us as to whether we read spoilers or not. If you don't and someone gets an answer based on something he/she reads, ok so there's an advantage. But here's the thing - We've been doing this quiz for years and it has never been such a bitch to be a spoiler type person until this year! It's been mentioned in passing before, yeah, but the spoiler issue is just out of hand in my opinion. It's crazy that the questions have to be "spoiler-proofed" before posted - that adds extra stress to Beautiful Patsy when making up questions. It's part of the reason (I think) Scamp left. If people didn't whine about posters possibly knowing an answer or two (or watching the Nova Scotia feed), then this quiz would have been drama-free this year. Debate free? No. But all this stuff about spoiling is just too much drama.
If we made it through all these seasons without this being such a huge issue, why can't it be that way now? It's not like the person in the number one spot the end of the season wins a trip to the caribbean or anything.
It's just a fun quiz..

Oh, missed my first point: promos are not considered spoilers, not even by the moderator of this forum.

I'm going to leave most of that alone since I know you're voicing your opinion and you have a point, so I'm only going to respond to some of the things I think I need to as the quiz-writer.

I came up with the idea of spoiler-proofing specifically to hopefully stop non-spoilers from worrying that spoiler-people have an advantage, no matter how slight. Then it's better for all - spoiler people don't have to think that others think they're ahead only because they read spoilers, and non-spoilers can rest easy knowing spoiler people don't have an advantage. Everyone feels they're on the same footing. Yeah it's extra work for me (and the people who help me - thanks you guys!) but I really don't mind it. I mean, I've only been doing this two weeks so far, but I think I'll be fine with the spoiler-proofing. I hope that it could become such a regular part of this quiz that eventually no one will think twice about it or ever think about anybody ever having an advantage over someone else.

And I can't be positive until he responds, but I'm thinking Mr. Hooper could've been just trying to point out a question might've already been answered. I don't think he meant spoiler people in particular would have an advantage, I think maybe just meant anyone who happened to see that promo would get it right and just happened to say "spoiler judges" for the new judges panel thing I set up. If that's the case, I'm glad he brought it up, but has anyone else seen the answer to #6 (about someone crying) in a promo? If it was in the promo directly after the last episode aired then I totally missed it! But if it actually has been shown somewhere then I'm going to either throw it out or just give everyone points for it. Shit happens sometimes, no biggie.

Thanks Mister Hooper. :)

Felicia, do you not like the spoiler-proofing? I'm not sure if that might be what you're meaning. If it is, I didn't mean to make a big deal about it or anything and it had nothing to do with that big spoiler issue. I had just noticed that ever since I've done the quiz, here or there someone might grumble about the little advantages spoiler-people might have, so when I started writing the quiz I thought I'd thought of an easy way to stop that once and for all.

ETA - But if you're just talking about the big spoiler issue that happened before I started doing the quiz, I got you. Hopefully that's behind us now but yeah maybe the thread's still in a little bit of recovery mode.

aslans, the crying one was yes/no so if someone else can confirm they saw that in some promo, it's not gonna count. I think that's the way it's always been, right? If a question ended up being answered in a promo or something we just wouldn't count it.

But your point's taken. That one question we do know some info on because of a sneak peak, I get what you're saying. I'm a bit of a planner, and OK I think I may have over-planned how to handle the quiz. I never said there wouldn't be some growing pains when I started doing the quiz! :p

Utopian, I'm not sure I'm getting what you're asking, but what QB said. Whatever answer you think is right, there should be a choice for it.