*cue spooky music*
Thx Felicia, I thought he looked pretty funny too.
ETA I'm going to call it now. Miles is Dr Candle's son and both he and Charlotte were born on the island. He knew her as a kid, that's how he knows Charlotte was born there.
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I wonder if he gets shot in the same spot on his leg where the bamboo shoot went in? Remember when he was out there last time with the plane and Boone had to
carry him after their contraption broke?
*cue spooky music* Thx Felicia, I thought he looked pretty funny too. ETA I'm going to call it now. Miles is Dr Candle's son and both he and Charlotte were born on the island. He knew her as a kid, that's how he knows Charlotte was born there.
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FeliciaM7 wrote:Charlotte only said she was still looking for where she was born. From that, we, the loyal viewers, assume she was born on the island ... which is more likely than not true. The prevailing theories are that Char is:
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FeliciaM7 wrote:Ok, i have a bunch of theories :P A) Locke might have always had a scar on his leg. Have we ever seen Locke without pants?? (i dont like this theory lol) B) Physical ailments/scars/deformities do not stay constant when you cross time pockets...Lost's theory of time travel is different. Unlike Heroes where we see future Peter have scars on his face because of something we witness in an altered present...the continuous line dictates the scars stay. In Lost, since the past/present/future affect each other at the same time, any alteration changes that across the board. Thus, passing into a different pocket in time when flight 815 crashed into it allowed Locke to walk again and Rose to not have cancer. Even though we know at some point in time they do. (this theory is very sketchy and would be hard to explain so i dont like it :P) But i DO like the idea that Locke getting shot in the leg in some sort of past coincides directly with him falling down to the ground in the "future" with Boone, being unable to walk again to stop Boone. It just happens to be the exact same place on the island in different points of time when his legs are damaged?? creepy! C) As Daniel said, the island might be skipping around in time, not the people. So, its the current version of Locke witnessing the past, not a past version of Locke. So, getting shot in the leg only affects Locke from this point on. He shouldnt have had a scar when the plane crashed cause that was a past version of Locke, not this present one. (i like this theory the best) I'll be interested to see if Locke still has a gunshot wound after the flash and hes alone at night again. Although we also know the island heals people real fast.... D) I also like the simplicity of Dialed-in's theory that the bamboo hit Locke in the exact same place as the past bullet! :P
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Oops, i forgot to add one more theory!
E) Like Desmond before, they are only skipping through time in consciousness...not as physical bodies. Desmond himself didnt travel back in time, his present mind just went back to his past body. But in this new case, the Losties are skipping into past consciousness of OTHER people. Thats why we see Daniel in a Dharma outfit in the beginning wayyy in the past. Cause he skipped into a Dharma person. I dont see how else you can explain Daniel being on that island wayy back then looking as he does now but NOT in his normal clothes? We as the viewer just SEE him as Daniel so we know its HIM witnessing that...So, Locke may have transported into the body of an other, or sharma fugitive, or Eko's brother! Could be another reason the dialogue tries to make a point that Ethan wouldnt recognize him as Locke. (i dont like this theory as much as C) above, but its possible.) |
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FeliciaM7 wrote:I'm not completely sure how to explain it quite yet, but I do like phantom's Theory "C" so far. |
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I'm going with "C" as well. But two Daniels doesn't make sense.
dialed - You called it but I've thought about Miles having some changing ties in his background before. :) Since he talks to dead people, maybe he ran into Charlotte's ghostmama somewhere in the jungle and she told him stuff. |
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I'd look good on Miles, dontcha think?
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"C" makes the most sense to me. Wow, now I'm confused and expecting to be more confused as this season goes on. Can you imagine us trying to
keep everyone and their timeline/whereabouts straight? Yikes.
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I'd look good on Miles, dontcha think?Mmmm hmmm. Better than Marvin. Can you imagine us trying to keep everyone and their timeline/whereabouts straight? Yikes.No I can'T. (Joker emphasis.. "you're crazy" "No, I'm NoT") I'll be relying on Wisc and phantom for keeping me straight. No pressure. |
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FeliciaM7 wrote:I dont like that theory for that reason. But, Ghost Whisperer is doing the same kind of thing with Jim, no? its a conceot been used before (Quantum leap anyone?? :P) All they would have to do is have a reflective surface to show that its REALLy someone else. It might not be THAT hard for viewers to grasp. But with that, or C), Lost has done a pretty darn good job so far being confusing BUT still relating to an audience enough so that they can follow whats going on and understand the time shifting stuff and rules thereof. |
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The other possible explanation would be alternate timelines. But that can be a real PITA for viewers to follow.
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I have a feeling it's probably a combination of several of the theories - Someone "in the Know" mentioned that of all of the theories they heard
- NONE were right so far - So who knows...?
Personally, I think Daniel is skipping around in time like Richard Alpert - thus looking the same age and not aging -- they're bouncing back and forth - trying to "fix" everything (That would explain why ben was told when he was younger that it wasnt "time" yet by Alpert in the woods - How else would he know WHEN the right time is unless he was there before.???) - I wonder what Richard Alpert's constant is?? I just hope that whatever they do - it's explained enough that there arent huge holes in the theory.. Also - As far as why they're skipping through time - that's what happens when the donkey wheel is turned - so it doesnt mean someone else is down there still moving it- Perhap this is what the "incident" was back then??? Hmmm |
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Hey - I just realized that Alpert doesnt NEED a constant if he's actually traveling or skipping through time - Only those who MENTALLY skip (like daniel or
desmond) need a constant so they know where / when they are..
BTW - I LOVE the banter between you guys - it's quite entertaining and has gotten me through quite a few weary mornings... |
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bunner6 wrote:Ben did say that moving the island "is both dangerous and unpredictable. It's a measure of last resort." |
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WiscBadger95 wrote:I like this idea. |
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So... that LostTimeloop theory's looking pretty good again?
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Wow. I just posted about the island's supposed healing powers in the episode thread before I read this one. Glad to know my brain is working
semi-correctly with this time changing stuff.
Here's something else very interesting. A couple of years ago I posted a comment to Terry O'Quinn over at The Fuselage about how he should ream the make up people for making his injury blood appear on a different place on his face between scenes. I thought it was an inconsistency. He wrote me back saying that it wasn't their fault, it was HIS. Looking back, I now believe he really meant it wasn't their fault & it was his fault since he was Locke. And Locke was perhaps supposed to have injuries in different places on his face! Especially since he's bouncing around the space/time continuum. Wierd. Yet cool. |
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But he wouldn't have known 2 years ago about all the loops and time skipping and all that, right? I doubt even the writers thought to make injuries
"move around" back then to make what's happening NOW make more sense. Remember they did admit Marvin's changing tie was a boo-boo.
KWIM? I'm sooo Jack. Always the skeptic and bursting bubbles.
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How many times have you watched a science fiction TV show and rolled your eyes at the time-travel plot? So frequently, the show starts with a writer's
clear, good intention - a moral quandary entangled in the still fairly new concepts of quantum physics and that favorite buzz phrase of "Star Trek: The
Next Generation": the time-space continuum. But just as frequently the teleplay devolves into hackneyed gimmickry, pretzel logic and hokey split-screen
scenes of characters meeting (or, as Shatner did, fighting) themselves.
"Lost" is precariously poised to stumble down that same path. Lucky for us, however, the series had several seasons to dose us with narrative Dramamine for the inevitable time travel. The baby steps were the flashbacks, a narrative device we're quite used to. Then we started dabbling in a few simple quantum concepts, a few hints of what's to come (surely we'll get back to the Black Rock soon). But as the fifth season opens this week, the time-travel training wheels are coming off - and the path thus far seems blissfully free of the usual stumbling blocks. Score one for all the viewers who called it at the end of last season: The island did, indeed, disappear in time, not space. And time travel is now the chief means of telling this strange and exciting story. That includes a little déjà vu. The opening of Wednesday night's fifth-season premiere looks eerily familiar to the second-season premiere. We're on the island, soft morning light illuminates the house, and someone puts a record on the turntable. (Gotta love that Dharma Initiative: they keeps their peeps stocked with platters.) By the end of the episode, though, there's no need for a flashback to revisit Desmond and his 108 minutes of fame in the hatch - just wait a few minutes for the blinding flash and … we're there. And then we're someplace (er, sometime) else. As one of the castaways asks, summing up this premiere and possibly the whole new season: "When are we now?" After Ben's turning of the big icy wheel, season five now alternates between the islanders and the off-islanders. Sawyer, Juliet and the freighter people are still on the island, trying to figure out why their camp and food just disappeared. Daniel, the secretive physicist, tells us the island has become "untethered" in time, and it's just hopscotching back and forth, back and forth. The camp's there, the camp's gone. The hatch is there, the hatch is a crater. This could become dizzying - or, it becomes apparent, possibly lethal for some characters. Meanwhile, three years in the future - calling it a "flash forward" now seems a little moot - Ben and Jack set out to gather up the other Oceanic Six and drag them back to the island, per the urgent request of the late John Locke/Jeremy Bentham. It's not going to be easy, particularly since heavily armed superagents are out to kill Sayid and his new fugitive pal, Hurley. What it begins to boil down to seems to be a kind of race against, well, time between two men on the island and two men off. On the island, it's Daniel vs. Richard, who both seem to know the score about the time travel and who may or may not be on the same side. Richard, at least, appears in the past to tell Locke that the only way to save the island is to get the Six back. Off the island, it's still Ben vs. Charles Widmore in an escalating battle to off each other in the name of the island - and Widmore now has the help of the widow Sun. Regardless of what is about to transpire, the butterfly effect won't be a problem. Daniel goes to great lengths to explain that in this time-travel scenario, even though the characters can move through time they can't change anything - even if they try. Whatever happens will happen, no matter what. And given that everyone on the island (and off) has pasts they'd prefer to polish or blot out altogether, that's clearly going to be the pivot point of tragedy. Source: Sun Times |
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