Kristy Lee Cook dropped by Arista

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roadblocker		#41	[-]
Posts: 16534 (01/05/09 9:36 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Carmen Rasmutebutton and Josh Disgracin were the pioneers of country music on idol though
8trackmind		#42	[-]
Posts: 829 (01/05/09 10:01 PM) I demand attention! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I agree. And Josh did fine with his first CD. But Simon (and Nigel) didn't fully realize how Idol could get a country singer launched until Carrie's huge success. Simon still doesn't understand country at all (it has no English equivalant) but he now knows it sells. So he's gotten a basic education in it and goes with the trend, like a good A&R person should.
Wuming Shi		#43	[-]
Posts: 2293 (01/06/09 8:57 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Poor KKKrusty.
So Very Sassy		#44	[-]
Posts: 503 (01/07/09 10:06 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Carrie didn't win in a landslide. The votes were very close. The win could have easily went to Bo Bice. The votes were way closer than Ruben & Clay's votes in season 2. In the end it worked out best because Bo was very sick and in the hospital so he wouldn't have been able to do all that is required of the winner.
fannypackwearer		#45	[-]
Posts: 780 (01/07/09 11:05 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Please.....Carrie won by more than 10 million votes ..Nigel said it wasn't even close and she was leading the entire season...I'll find the link for you. ETA: Bo didn't even get sick until AFTER the tour anyways so your reasoning makes no sense. Here it is: NYTIMES Nigel Lythgoe, an executive producer of the show, said earlier this year that revealing all the vote totals would, in some years, rob the series of its suspense. In the fourth season, he explained, Carrie Underwood so dominated the voting, winning every week by a large margin, that disclosing the totals would have diminished viewership. Last Edited By: fannypackwearer 01/07/09 11:25 AM. Edited 2 times.
ILovegreeneyes		#46	[-]
Posts: 6102 (01/07/09 12:23 PM) I need a life Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	lemonhead1 wrote: Oh brother, you are so damn transparent Green. I'm not even a Carrie fan(not a h8er, but not a big fan either) but if Kelly ever had the "figure" that Carrie had during or even right after her run on the show you would balk if anyone referred to that as fat. I honestly don't know how can you gripe about the Clay fans when you turn around and do the same thing. BTW, Carrie won her season of Idol(probably by a landside) and I'm sure it was pretty evident how popular she was to the producers and I'm sure they had a general idea how successful she would be. KLC was a bottom 3 dweller who was lucky to even make it to 7th place. Big difference there. are you actually saying Carrie looked that good on Idol? really? Carrie on Idol Carrie post Idol and for reference since you brought her up Kelly on Idol she looks pretty fit to me shrug I'm stating an opinion about she changed her image and how that helped her; Kelly has nothing to do with it.... Kelly and Carrie were similarly built during their idol runs btw....neither were stick skinny and certainly weren't the thinnest girls their season...Carrie dieted herself down to almost nothing at one point... as for Carrie winning by a landslide? I doubt that. Bo was pretty popular if I'm not mistaken. and I said that Kristy didn't deserve the same amount of promo as Carrie BUT did deserve SOME promo. I couldn't stand Kristy on Idol and thought they were stupid to sign her in the first place but they did sign her and i just think it's kind of pointless to sign someone and then not put in at least a little effort to promote them. Kristy sounds like a whiner though blaming Carrie for her lack of success.....
So Very Sassy		#47	[-]
Posts: 504 (01/07/09 1:53 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	fannypackwearer wrote: Please.....Carrie won by more than 10 million votes ..Nigel said it wasn't even close and she was leading the entire season...I'll find the link for you. ETA: Bo didn't even get sick until AFTER the tour anyways so your reasoning makes no sense. Here it is: NYTIMES Nigel Lythgoe, an executive producer of the show, said earlier this year that revealing all the vote totals would, in some years, rob the series of its suspense. In the fourth season, he explained, Carrie Underwood so dominated the voting, winning every week by a large margin, that disclosing the totals would have diminished viewership. Carrie did NOT win by 10 million votes. It was NOT a landslide victory.
fannypackwearer		#48	[-]
Posts: 781 (01/07/09 2:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	And you know this how??? It was a land slide.... I'm pretty sure that article I posted is correct since it's right out of Nigel's mouth.
ILovegreeneyes		#49	[-]
Posts: 6109 (01/07/09 3:39 PM) I need a life Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	fannypackwearer wrote: And you know this how??? It was a land slide.... I'm pretty sure that article I posted is correct since it's right out of Nigel's mouth. and you trust Nigel? that's your first mistake....
Will		#50	[-]
Posts: 32902 (01/07/09 5:12 PM) Not a Registered User anymore Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	RoseBea wrote: This last paragraph alone makes no sense at all. Why would anyone deliberately keep a hit off an album? Money, or more specifically keeping it away from KLC. If she did have a hit song and it was blocked, then having to use her other songs and having a cd flop is a good reason to kick her whereas if she had a big hit it would be more difficult to justify it. Also, Nigel Lythgoe, an executive producer of the show, said earlier this year that revealing all the vote totals would, in some years, rob the series of its suspense. In the fourth season, he explained, Carrie Underwood so dominated the voting, winning every week by a large margin, that disclosing the totals would have diminished viewership. And yet... the season is over and they STILL don't release the results? What's their excuse now?
lemonhead1		#51	[-]
Posts: 361 (01/07/09 8:44 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ILovegreeneyes wrote: lemonhead1 wrote: Oh brother, you are so damn transparent Green. I'm not even a Carrie fan(not a h8er, but not a big fan either) but if Kelly ever had the "figure" that Carrie had during or even right after her run on the show you would balk if anyone referred to that as fat. I honestly don't know how can you gripe about the Clay fans when you turn around and do the same thing. BTW, Carrie won her season of Idol(probably by a landside) and I'm sure it was pretty evident how popular she was to the producers and I'm sure they had a general idea how successful she would be. KLC was a bottom 3 dweller who was lucky to even make it to 7th place. Big difference there. are you actually saying Carrie looked that good on Idol? really? Carrie on Idol Carrie post Idol and for reference since you brought her up Kelly on Idol she looks pretty fit to me shrug I'm stating an opinion about she changed her image and how that helped her; Kelly has nothing to do with it.... Kelly and Carrie were similarly built during their idol runs btw....neither were stick skinny and certainly weren't the thinnest girls their season...Carrie dieted herself down to almost nothing at one point... as for Carrie winning by a landslide? I doubt that. Bo was pretty popular if I'm not mistaken. and I said that Kristy didn't deserve the same amount of promo as Carrie BUT did deserve SOME promo. I couldn't stand Kristy on Idol and thought they were stupid to sign her in the first place but they did sign her and i just think it's kind of pointless to sign someone and then not put in at least a little effort to promote them. Kristy sounds like a whiner though blaming Carrie for her lack of success..... I don't think those pics you posted of Carrie are so bad. Not the most flattering, but not terrible either. I did watch her season and thought she was a lot prettier(in a generic sort of way) than those pics imply. I actually did not care for her at all and was pulling for Bo, and wanted Bo to win. Now that time has passed and I have moved on, I can also reflect back and see that yeah, Simon was absolutely right when he told her she would win and sell more albums than the other Idols. I rolled my eyes at the time, but he was right. I underestimated her popularity and never thought in a million years she would have a 6x platinum first album. I also believe she won in a landside over Bo. Look at her sales compared to his. Not even close(and again I was a diehard Bo fan back in the day).
8trackmind		#52	[-]
Posts: 833 (01/07/09 10:13 PM) I demand attention! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	A couple of comments on all that has come up: 1) the Reuben/Clay vote was about as close as the current Minnesota senate race, though the EXACT margin Reuben won by keeps changing each time it gets written up. I had heard that Carrie dominated the voting on Idol each week thoughout the top 12, but that the actual vote in the finale that year was pretty close (the number I saw was 52%, about the same margin as Mantasia's). I don't know where this landslide and 10 million vote margin stuff originated. I've never heard any figures for either, but I imagine that Taylor's victory margin, and Jordin's, were bigger then any of the other 5 five seasons, maybe in the 60% range. 3) What does the winner's margin have to do with CDs sold? Not much. Kelly beat Justin by a 4-3 margin; her CD sold 15 times what his did. Carrie didn't beat Bo by much but sold 12 times as many CDs anyway. They were initially much closer--Carrie's CD was not a huge sucess at first, but it just keep on selling and stayed in the top 40 for 75 weeks. Cook got 56% of the vote and may ultimately sell CDs in EXACTLY the same ratio to Archie's as his show victory. It's a crapshoot, dependent on airplay, PR, the quality of the CD (!) and even the cover pic (Justin's horrible "passing a kidney stone" cover shot probably cost him hundred of thousands of sales). 2) IMHO Carrie was somewhere between exactly the right weight and 5 pounds overweight when she was on the show. She then lost 20 pounds afterwards. Ewwww. Kelly's weight goes up and down weirdly--the extra usually goes into her arms and thighs, but not her belly or [nearly nonexistant] breasts.
IIQQII		#53	[-]
Posts: 607 (01/07/09 10:43 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	8trackmind wrote: Kristy Lee's blaming Carrie Underwood (who has no new CD out to promote, BTW) for the lack of promotion of her own CD is another example of her nasty personality. Kristy is not necessarily nasty. She's just an airhead or a stereotypical dumb blonde. If she was smart, she would marry a rich guy and be a trophy wife. But's she's not smart.
lemonhead1		#54	[-]
Posts: 362 (01/08/09 8:23 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	3) What does the winner's margin have to do with CDs sold? Not much. Kelly beat Justin by a 4-3 margin; You are right. That's why people can't use the fact that Carrie won her season/promotion etc as an excuse as to why her sales were so insane and much, much bigger than Bo's. Simon was right about her popularity. As for winning by a landslide, Uncle Nigel stated so, but you can choose or not choose to believe him. I am more inclined to believe him because of her post Idol success.
ILovegreeneyes		#55	[-]
Posts: 6123 (01/08/09 10:04 AM) I need a life Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	lemon wrote: I don't think those pics you posted of Carrie are so bad. Not the most flattering, but not terrible either. I did watch her season and thought she was a lot prettier(in a generic sort of way) than those pics imply. I actually did not care for her at all and was pulling for Bo, and wanted Bo to win. Now that time has passed and I have moved on, I can also reflect back and see that yeah, Simon was absolutely right when he told her she would win and sell more albums than the other Idols. I rolled my eyes at the time, but he was right. I underestimated her popularity and never thought in a million years she would have a 6x platinum first album. I also believe she won in a landside over Bo. Look at her sales compared to his. Not even close(and again I was a diehard Bo fan back in the day). I didn't say she was unattractive or even ugly. She was a cute girl. But her style was horrible to say the least. She made it a point to hire a very good stylist post idol and I say good for her...I often times wish Kelly cared that much about her image but alas she doesn't which is why she goes out without make-up and in ugly ass clothes I don't think anyone believed Simon's prediction that she would outsell the other idols but she has (in the U.S. at least) and she continues to dominate in the awards too. So clearly she was the right winner. Her popularity has more than transended Idol's reach IMO. She's become a cultural phenomenon in country music. She's got a fantastic voice (but on idol that also was lacking IMO) and her personality is a little stiff but I've heard people say she's just very shy which can come off as bitchy. Personally I was rooting for Vonzell on Season 4..... But Bo was good too. I don't think you can compare them saleswise for the simple reason that Bo never really promoted his album as he was in and out of the hospital that entire time with surgeries and stomach problems. He still sold a good deal given the circumstances. The stars aligned perfectly for Carrie though. Country was looking for a new "IT" girl and she came along at just the right time. I think Kristy thought she could step onto the same path Carrie traveled and have great success. She forgot that you actually have to be able to sing and/or write great songs....neither of which it seems she's capable of. Last Edited By: ILovegreeneyes 01/08/09 10:06 AM. Edited 1 times.
8trackmind		#56	[-]
Posts: 834 (01/08/09 10:39 AM) I demand attention! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Nobody should be dissing Bo because of Carrie's success. He sold at least 200,000 more CDs than 4 of the 6 other 2nd place finishers, so he's done okay. If he hadn't had heart trouble (possibly brought on by his previous drug use, admittedly) and been unable to promote it he would have done even better, and might have gone platinum. His 19evil CD was also hurt by Clive's trying to make it pop instead of southern rock (I haven't heard the second one, though I may pick it up at some point). Bo is a good person, a good singer, a good guitarist, and occasionally a good songwriter too. Probably Carrie deserved to win, but it was a pretty strong season with so many previously overage people trying out and Bo is better than some of the other winners (notably the one from the season before his).
ILovegreeneyes		#57	[-]
Posts: 6126 (01/08/09 11:00 AM) I need a life Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	8trackmind wrote: Nobody should be dissing Bo because of Carrie's success. He sold at least 200,000 more CDs than 4 of the 6 other 2nd place finishers, so he's done okay. If he hadn't had heart trouble (possibly brought on by his previous drug use, admittedly) and been unable to promote it he would have done even better, and might have gone platinum. His 19evil CD was also hurt by Clive's trying to make it pop instead of southern rock (I haven't heard the second one, though I may pick it up at some point). Bo is a good person, a good singer, a good guitarist, and occasionally a good songwriter too. Probably Carrie deserved to win, but it was a pretty strong season with so many previously overage people trying out and Bo is better than some of the other winners (notably the one from the season before his). he didn't have heart problems, he had stomach/intestine problems and I believe I read it was brought on by food poisoning, which he is rumored to have been suffering from during the finale. I've only heard bits of his second CD but what I've heard is really good, but then I liked his debut "the real thing" too but do agree that once again Clive fucked over an Idol contestant by trying to turn them into something they weren't. Clive has a long storied history of fucking up the Idol albums/careers. Good thing for Carrie Clive had no hand in her albums/career other than a figure head at SONG/BMG which is the parent company of Arista Nashville.
SonOfAbraxas		#58	[-]
Posts: 7994 (01/08/09 2:41 PM) BB Forum Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't think anyone believed Simon's prediction that she would outsell the other idols I had no doubt that he would be correct. I'm definitely not a fan of country music or whatevs, but Carrie always had something about her. She's not drop-dead gorgeous, yet very pretty. People could relate to her, in some way -- we all know a nice pretty blonde girl. She might not have been as exciting on the show as some people like, but the show isn't about who would give the greatest pop diva crazy dance pyro concert --- She could sing ... and with her (which is not always typical of them), the American public actually noticed and voted correctly.
Will		#59	[-]
Posts: 32926 (01/08/09 6:54 PM) Not a Registered User anymore Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SonOfAbraxas wrote: I don't think anyone believed Simon's prediction that she would outsell the other idols I had no doubt that he would be correct. I'm definitely not a fan of country music or whatevs, but Carrie always had something about her. She's not drop-dead gorgeous, yet very pretty. People could relate to her, in some way -- we all know a nice pretty blonde girl. She might not have been as exciting on the show as some people like, but the show isn't about who would give the greatest pop diva crazy dance pyro concert --- It should be about solely vocal talent but it will never be. Ever. 8trackmind wrote: I don't know where this landslide and 10 million vote margin stuff originated. We do know that David beat David by 12 million votes, apparently but I don't know about the rest. Either way I want the actual vote counts for all seasons.
charcas		#60	[-]
Posts: 1037 (01/08/09 7:10 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If Kristy Lee should blame anyone, it should be Kellie Pickler. Kristy Lee might have been positioned as a second string Carrie, but Kellie came along two years earlier. Besides, even if Pickler hadn't done Idol, I doubt Kristy Lee would have had Pickler's level of success as Pickler has 100x's more personality than Kristy Lee.

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