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craig		#4561	[-]
Posts: 14668 (12/30/08 12:23 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	because she only likes you if you 100% agree with her ... fuck, Charlie is afraid to be nice to Sugar in front of her. That should tell you something. Perfect discription of some of the rabid Sugar or Fang fans on this board who can't stand it that Eliza is friendly with Kota and demand that she denounce their misdeeds. I think Corinne and Randy are pretty much okay postshow with everyone but Sugar. And Sugar does just as much to continue the catfighting in her interviews as they do, so how is she any better? Sugar captioned a MS pic "Cuntrinne" - how classy. So she's no better than Randy calling her a "mactress cunt" in Sucks.
XtremeInnovator420		#4562	[-]
Posts: 1349 (12/30/08 12:28 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I have to admit, if Randy called Sugar a "mactress cunt" then I'll have another reason to think Randy's awesome since, well, I may hate Corinne with a passion, but Sugar has time and time again proven herself to be just as bad. Mind you, this isn't to say that being friends with either of them would instantly make somebody a terrible person.
Katy Carney		#4563	[-]
Posts: 3102 (12/30/08 1:46 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Honestly, after reading Sugar's post boot interviews about how she was going for the sweetheart edit, I've come to see Corrine's jury question in a completely different light. Not that I endorse that she questioned Sugar's grief over her father, because I don't at all, but more that I understand why she felt Sugar was a performer fucking with the other people there.
MJSLawrence		#4564	[-]
Posts: 2085 (12/30/08 3:36 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Katy Carney wrote: Honestly, after reading Sugar's post boot interviews about how she was going for the sweetheart edit, I've come to see Corrine's jury question in a completely different light. Not that I endorse that she questioned Sugar's grief over her father, because I don't at all, but more that I understand why she felt Sugar was a performer fucking with the other people there. But regardless...Sugar outplayed them...you don't get to the top 3 with your eyes closed...no matter what her intentions were, she played it hard and wiped a lot of people out without them ever seeing it coming...it was highly entertaining...
Oowatanite		#4565	[-]
Posts: 6668 (12/30/08 1:45 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sugar didn't outplay anybody. She was NOT playing to win, only to screw up other players chances. And she was dragged to the end as a goat.
Kitty Pryde1		#4566	[-]
Posts: 7919 (12/30/08 1:47 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oowatanite wrote: Sugar didn't outplay anybody. She was NOT playing to win, only to screw up other players chances. And she was dragged to the end as a goat. Sugar CONTROLLED the game. She was NEVER dragged. Yes, she was a goat, but she controlled her own fate.
Mikester		#4567	[-]
Posts: 635 (12/30/08 2:45 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Katy Carney wrote: Honestly, after reading Sugar's post boot interviews about how she was going for the sweetheart edit, I've come to see Corrine's jury question in a completely different light. Not that I endorse that she questioned Sugar's grief over her father, because I don't at all, but more that I understand why she felt Sugar was a performer fucking with the other people there. I didn't at the time, but...eh. I feel bad for Sugar's loss and everything, but even in the beginning Sugar brought her father up so randomly I thought she was lying. At one of the beginning Tribal Councils she was all "I'm here for my father who died and that's why I think I can win because he's giving me strength" or something like that. Now that I'm reading about how she wanted this "sweetheart, pity me" edit I can't help but think she used her father's death to gain sympathy from viewers.
Kirblar		#4568	[-]
Posts: 7291 (12/30/08 2:48 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Oowatanite wrote: Sugar didn't outplay anybody. She was NOT playing to win, only to screw up other players chances. And she was dragged to the end as a goat. Sugar CONTROLLED the game. She was NEVER dragged. Yes, she was a goat, but she controlled her own fate. Still means she was a shit player.
solesurvivor01		#4569	[-]
Posts: 4457 (12/30/08 3:05 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The way I see Sugar is that she played everyone else, but she didn't play the game.
menelaus		#4570	[-]
Posts: 91 (12/30/08 3:37 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sugar wouldn't have been good at survivor if she tried. She had a completely shitty social game to the point that Bob wanted her out instead of Paloma, but Jacquie or Marcus overruled it (probably Jacquie, since she had an alliance with Ace and Sugar). Yes, she could have been good strategically if she tried, but she was really unlikable.
Oowatanite		#4571	[-]
Posts: 6671 (12/30/08 4:39 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kirblar wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Oowatanite wrote: Sugar didn't outplay anybody. She was NOT playing to win, only to screw up other players chances. And she was dragged to the end as a goat. Sugar CONTROLLED the game. She was NEVER dragged. Yes, she was a goat, but she controlled her own fate. Still means she was a shit player.
Kitty Pryde1		#4572	[-]
Posts: 7925 (12/30/08 5:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kirblar wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Oowatanite wrote: Sugar didn't outplay anybody. She was NOT playing to win, only to screw up other players chances. And she was dragged to the end as a goat. Sugar CONTROLLED the game. She was NEVER dragged. Yes, she was a goat, but she controlled her own fate. Still means she was a shit player. Still a better player than the sheep that won All-Stars with a strategy that would never work in any other season.
Kirblar		#4573	[-]
Posts: 7293 (12/30/08 6:11 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Kirblar wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Oowatanite wrote: Sugar didn't outplay anybody. She was NOT playing to win, only to screw up other players chances. And she was dragged to the end as a goat. Sugar CONTROLLED the game. She was NEVER dragged. Yes, she was a goat, but she controlled her own fate. Still means she was a shit player. Still a better player than the sheep that won All-Stars with a strategy that would never work in any other season. Playing badly trying to win > Being in "control" but not trying to win.
SwineForkbeard		#4574	[-]
Posts: 2035 (12/30/08 6:59 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kirblar wrote: Playing badly trying to win > Being in "control" but not trying to win. You can say that all you want, but it's really a moot point. Sugar fans need not get defensive about it. She wasn't interested in impressing a bunch of fangeeks on a messageboard or conforming to the general notion of what a "good player" is, and that's cool with me.
Oowatanite		#4575	[-]
Posts: 6676 (12/30/08 9:09 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Kirblar wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Oowatanite wrote: Sugar didn't outplay anybody. She was NOT playing to win, only to screw up other players chances. And she was dragged to the end as a goat. Sugar CONTROLLED the game. She was NEVER dragged. Yes, she was a goat, but she controlled her own fate. Still means she was a shit player. Still a better player than the sheep that won All-Stars with a strategy that would never work in any other season. God, your insane Amber hate is really delusional. What, did she steal a boyfriend from you in high school ? Did you not get your "Amber's Guide for Girls" in the mail yet ? Or do you hate all pretty girls in general, just on principle ? Here we're debating Sugar's gameplay and you bring up Amber. Give it up, dumbass, she won ASS with the same strategy as Tina. Get over it already.
YemaGrl1988		#4576	[-]
Posts: 3529 (12/30/08 9:11 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If "Sugar" was better than Amber then why didn't "Sugar" win? "Sugar" sucks.
solesurvivor01		#4577	[-]
Posts: 4470 (12/30/08 9:31 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I have no clue why Kitty brought up Amber, but she's right. Sugar was a good player, but she wasn't playing the game, so she became the goat. Amber was playing the game, but doing it horribly, and she lucked into a win for a multitude of reasons, which I don't have to get into.
menelaus		#4578	[-]
Posts: 100 (12/30/08 9:37 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sugar was a goat no matter what. Her constant crying and complaining made her unbearable. Her social game was wretched, which leads one to become a goat, no matter how great of a strategist you are.
solesurvivor01		#4579	[-]
Posts: 4471 (12/30/08 9:42 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But that's exactly what Sugar wanted. She wanted to be known as America's Sweetheart, so why not cry for America's sympathy, vote out all of the "bad guys," and take on the unlikable people (ie Cookiegate and flipping off Cuntrine)? She was a goat because she played to become a goat. Now I like Sugar, but whoever cast her was a retard because she never wanted to play the game, so I would even go as far to say that she was one of the worst casting decisions ever made.
ncassaro		#4580	[-]
Posts: 490 (12/30/08 9:49 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sugar controlled the game from late-pre-merge until the end.... Amber was talked into good moves by Rob (for example, she actually wanted to honor the F4 deal with Lex and Kathy!). Amber won and Sugar didn't, but I think Bob's win proves that it isn't always the best player who wins. But this has nothing to do with Eliza Orlins... who I fear we're scaring away :-(

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