S-17 Edgic (editing and logic) Gabon

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SwineForkbeard		#4221	[-]
Posts: 1965 (12/11/08 8:14 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So being blindsided improves Kenny's chances of winning. That's a new one.
Mypoody2		#4222	[-]
Posts: 8420 (12/11/08 8:14 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Just popping in because i promised to appologize if Crystal lost and I'm a man of my word. Sorry Edgic for saying that Crystal would win all those times and you were right. The winners quote didn't mean jack shit. Still doubt Ken will win though, but Matty's chances have gone up.
ncassaro		#4223	[-]
Posts: 407 (12/11/08 8:15 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BlakeB717 wrote: If Bob does pull a Danni, the INV rule will be absolutely definitely vindicated. Bob never got an INV. Which is why the INV rule would be vindicated.
The Marquesan Godfather		#4224	[-]
Posts: 11004 (12/11/08 8:16 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SwineForkbeard wrote: So being blindsided improves Kenny's chances of winning. That's a new one. Well, it does put another vote for him on the jury, assuming he can win a clutch immunity challenge.
tropical rain		#4225	[-]
Posts: 355 (12/11/08 8:16 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Wow, what a great episode. I think Susie is UTR for like the millionith time.
Jedijake		#4226	[-]
Posts: 5314 (12/11/08 8:17 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Logic says Kenny has absolutely no chance. Edgic says he has the best edit to be the winner by far. Strategically, he's been the strongest with a good balance of P and N. He fits both the strategic giant as well as the major underdog now. Kinda makes sense that he stays considering that both Matty and Bob are big popularity threats. If you are Susie and Sugar, you want to be with Kenny more than Bob or Matty. It's not saying much. Kenny would still beat Susie and Sugar hands down. So while Kenny seems screwed, he's the best choice to keep around from the guys.
craig		#4227	[-]
Posts: 14492 (12/11/08 8:18 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Is that a bad enough penultimate episode for you, Ken supporters. :) Negative Fang Edit theory ownage! That was the beginning of the pay-off for the early Crystal\Kenny alliance editing. Kenny was more far negative than Crystal, with all his BS moralizing about how Bob screwed him over when he betrayed Corinne. There is no comeback, no redemption from that. I think Sugar knows she ain't winning and has started her Lill\Kim J game at F6. She had her epiphany and will boot people on merit as she sees it. Ken doesn't have much time to change her mind, it's day 36. Last Edited By: craig 12/11/08 8:21 PM. Edited 1 times.
SFC		#4228	[-]
Posts: 528 (12/11/08 8:18 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	By the end of the episode it looked for sure that Sugar or Matty would win, there is no possible way Kenny can win. Kenny now has big doubt, and with Crystal another Jury connection
AllMenAreIslands		#4229	[-]
Posts: 25858 (12/11/08 8:19 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kenny is getting a lot of doubt tho. It's a valid question to ask: when is a lot of doubt too much? People's idea of what is good and what is evil are in play as well this season. Further to my other comment, what I mean is I'd much rather see someone who was thinking and making moves come away the winner than someone who wasn't, but of them all, right now I'm rooting for Bob the most, and Sugar second. I can see Ken/Sugar/Susie as a final 3 tho, I mean - as the best final 3 for Kenny's chances. I'd most like to see Bob win, but if he'd won, wouldn't we have seen more about his work around camp? They mentioned it in the recap ep, and we saw a bit about Bob in the opening episode, but is it something they're saving for the Reunion special, perhaps? To show us unseen footage that's interesting, rather than stuff we already saw during the show?
ncassaro		#4230	[-]
Posts: 408 (12/11/08 8:19 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jedijake wrote: Logic says Kenny has absolutely no chance. Edgic says he has the best edit to be the winner by far. Strategically, he's been the strongest with a good balance of P and N. He fits both the strategic giant as well as the major underdog now. Kinda makes sense that he stays considering that both Matty and Bob are big popularity threats. If you are Susie and Sugar, you want to be with Kenny more than Bob or Matty. It's not saying much. Kenny would still beat Susie and Sugar hands down. So while Kenny seems screwed, he's the best choice to keep around from the guys. I just disagree with this. Of course edgic wants to give us doubt, but Ken got schooled tonight. If he were still our winner I don't think we would have heard him say he was in control so often. I think that Matty would've been villified more and we would've been rooting for Ken after the blindside. I was left rooting only for Bob, as I found BOTH Matty and Ken to be N. I think Bob is our winner.
poop		#4231	[-]
Posts: 54 (12/11/08 8:21 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	something tells me that over these three days, there will be more debate than ever! This is so polarizing.
Casey333		#4232	[-]
Posts: 464 (12/11/08 8:22 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm more convinced than ever that Matty is the winner.
James Barber		#4233	[-]
Posts: 14750 (12/11/08 8:23 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jedijake wrote: Logic says Kenny has absolutely no chance. Edgic says he has the best edit to be the winner by far. Strategically, he's been the strongest with a good balance of P and N. He fits both the strategic giant as well as the major underdog now. Kinda makes sense that he stays considering that both Matty and Bob are big popularity threats. If you are Susie and Sugar, you want to be with Kenny more than Bob or Matty. It's not saying much. Kenny would still beat Susie and Sugar hands down. So while Kenny seems screwed, he's the best choice to keep around from the guys. I've never seen this strategic giant persona from Ken. I think they've painted Ken as playing in a bumbling and emotional manner, with all the best strategic moves of the game given to other players. They preferred to show arrogant moments, and while I guess that could have been him being humbled only because of Crystal, I think this will also end up applying to him. The Ace vote-off was laced with doubt and later remorse, which we saw the result of tonight when Sugar turned against him. They also chose to paint him as a self-pitying, weak player tonight. To me it's like saying Ami was the underdog after LeAnn got voted out. Sugar's playing an emotional game. The one reason she said she was keeping Ken was because she liked him and she didn't mind losing to him. Now that she no longer likes him, she probably won't want him in the F3. If we're going based on edit, then I think Matty has had more of a winner edit than Ken all along, as Matty was excluded from the editing hell of Fang. Bob may have the best chance after that, since we have seen a generally positive image of him and the negative (like him being too talkative) has been downplayer. Last Edited By: James Barber 12/11/08 8:25 PM. Edited 1 times.
BlakeB717		#4234	[-]
Posts: 1205 (12/11/08 8:23 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Which is why the INV rule would be vindicated. Sorry I meant to put a question mark. Just checked. You're right! No INV... hmmm!!!
Yesmar88		#4235	[-]
Posts: 93 (12/11/08 8:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This is all so confusing. On one hand, if the final theme is Good Vs. Evil, Kenny can't win, since he's been defined as evil in this episode. On the other hand, why wasn't he edited worse? For people who are supposed to be evil, him and Crystal didn't get edited too badly. But then the "on the finale" part ended with Matty saying "Good must prevail." With that tone, going into the finale how can the editors possibly justify a Kenny win? I'm not sure Bob can pull a Danni though. Who's his Stephanie? Probst said that we would "feel good" about the winner, and up until recently they haven't really edited Bob to make us feel anything about him at all. I really think that Matty or Sugar has to win at this point, although it doesn't seem clear how Sugar possibly can.
ncassaro		#4236	[-]
Posts: 409 (12/11/08 8:26 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BlakeB717 wrote: Which is why the INV rule would be vindicated. Sorry I meant to put a question mark. Just checked. You're right! No INV... hmmm!!! And really, being MOR the past two episodes, if he got a CP tonight (it's either that or OTT) those really aren't bad ratings for a winner. Plus early ep.1 confessional. Just like the players in the game, we all forgot he was there.
astroline		#4237	[-]
Posts: 1828 (12/11/08 8:26 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Bob is getting the Amanda edit. He's not winning. It might look like "How can he possibly lose?" now, just like it did with Amanda the past 2 seasons, but it'll happen, trust me. His edit was way too weak early on. Even Susie got a 4 in visibility before he did, and Susie is a nobody in this game. Kenny has TOO much doubt. Matty has NO strategy. Bob is Amanda. Susie doesn't exist. Sugar? ETA: Bob has 2 INV's on my chart.
Kitty Pryde1		#4238	[-]
Posts: 7163 (12/11/08 8:26 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Here's the way I see it. Bob has doubt in that he's too nice and they'd never let him to the end. Ken has doubt in that he's now the underdog. Matty has absolutely no doubt. If he gets to the end, he wins. He also has absolutely no jury connections aside from Randy and Crystal. If Matty wins, then they just didn't even care about making it look like he might not win.
unduli clone		#4239	[-]
Posts: 3472 (12/11/08 8:26 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kenny didn't receive any EDITED doubt that episode! Crystal was voted out, no way to edit that. Kenny was portrayed as a duped mastermind, a supposed strategist who thinks he has Bob in his back pocket but gets his ally voted out instead. If he had been nervous about Crystal going and mentioned how bad his game would've been, perhaps. But it wasn't set up that way, and there wasn't even a preview indicating that.
BlakeB717		#4240	[-]
Posts: 1206 (12/11/08 8:28 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	REMEMBER TODD... His N doubt started the Episode he blindsided John Roberts (F9)... it was about 6 episodes of straight doubt. REMEMBER PARVATI... Hers started when she screwed over Ozzy (F9)... again, about 6 episodes of straight doubt. Kenny's? Started when he took out Charlie (F8)... I'm seeing a trend? There is never too much doubt in the merger. The editors want you to have no idea going into the finale that the winner will win.

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