ELECTION 08: PALINTOLOGY, SCIENCE OR SUPERSTITION?

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memyselfandi		#8861	[-]
Posts: 16057 (09/29/08 12:26 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AllMenAreIslands wrote: If you care so much, then get on board with abolishing the tax system. They could put more money aside for retirement in 6 months of unrestricted income, than they did in all their years of scrimping. Um no, they saved A LOT in their 40 years of working and just not paying taxes on that income for six months would not cover it. But even if that wasn't the case for them, I'm still not in favor of abolishing the tax system since I prefer living in a society with police and courts and paved roads and schools and a standing military and healthy drinking water and safe food and clean air and parks. Stupidly low taxes for the rich, no factories, no liquidity in the markets and no strong leadership and no competent, regulated and centralized banking system is a big reason why the Confederacy fell and it may be why the entire American empire will fall as well unless something major changes FAST.
unkle greggo		#8862	[-]
Posts: 3134 (09/29/08 12:29 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Reports are saying Pelosi got up and gave a partisan speech just before the vote and pissed of the republicans.
X Bilkis		#8863	[-]
Posts: 562 (09/29/08 12:29 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	laissez faire caused the first great depression and deregulation sped this one up, the free market blows, libertarians are retarded qtiyd
AllMenAreIslands		#8864	[-]
Posts: 24331 (09/29/08 12:30 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	X Bilkis wrote: AllMenAreIslands wrote: You're gonna be disappointed when the market figures out a relatively painless way to solve this, aren't you? hrm yes the free market can fix everything on its own economy collapses Get back on the gold standard, that's what Plan B needs to be about. Did you ever study Russian history? Do you know that communism does NOT work? Nationalizing the finance industry would artificially prop up bad lenders and save bad borrowers, all AT THE EXPENSE of those who didn't take on too much debt and were prudent in their lending & borrowing. *** The push by foreign countries to see America collapse is also behind the push for this bill to be put through.
B DeBrun		#8865	[-]
Posts: 18011 (09/29/08 12:31 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	unkle greggo wrote: Reports are saying Pelosi got up and gave a partisan speech just before the vote and pissed of the republicans. Only 60% of the Dems voted for it.
Gal Sal BBnSfan		#8866	[-]
Posts: 92 (09/29/08 12:32 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	memyselfandi wrote: Um no, they saved A LOT in their 40 years of working and just not paying taxes on that income for six months would not cover it. But even if that wasn't the case for them, I'm still not in favor of abolishing the tax system since I prefer living in a society with police and courts and paved roads and schools and a standing military and healthy drinking water and safe food and clean air and parks. Stupidly low taxes for the rich, no factories, no liquidity in the markets and no strong leadership and no competent, regulated and centralized banking system is a big reason why the Confederacy fell and it may be why the entire American empire will fall as well unless something major changes FAST. Thank You X
ohboy		#8867	[-]
Posts: 1762 (09/29/08 12:32 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	yeah, some just like to bitch about pelosi...it's just b.s....i'd love any representative to stand up and say he was mad at nancy so changed his vote.
Mister Yuck		#8868	[-]
Posts: 3573 (09/29/08 12:32 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	omg we're being held hostage to fanaticism
unkle greggo		#8869	[-]
Posts: 3135 (09/29/08 12:35 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	B DeBrun wrote: unkle greggo wrote: Reports are saying Pelosi got up and gave a partisan speech just before the vote and pissed of the republicans. Only 60% of the Dems voted for it. It's just what I read. Also said many reps had said that they were worried about their jobs and wanted it to pass, but they wanted someone else to vote for it.
lilnubber		#8870	[-]
Posts: 10046 (09/29/08 12:35 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	unkle greggo wrote: Reports are saying Pelosi got up and gave a partisan speech just before the vote and pissed of the republicans. I don't have a clue about this bailout. I don't know whether it's a good or bad thing. But I do know this: DON'T YOU DARE FUCKING BLAME THIS ON NANCY PELOSI.
unkle greggo		#8871	[-]
Posts: 3136 (09/29/08 12:38 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	An excerpt from the report I read. Opponents said part of the reason for the opposition from Republicans was what they termed a partisan speech by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, said one GOP source. "Pelosi's partisan speech has caused our members to go berserk and may cost us any remaining chance to pass the bill," the source said. "We're all worried about losing our jobs," Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., declared in an impassioned speech in support of the bill before the vote. "Most of us say, 'I want this thing to pass, but I want you to vote for it - not me.' " Last Edited By: unkle greggo 09/29/08 12:41 PM. Edited 1 times.
X Bilkis		#8872	[-]
Posts: 563 (09/29/08 12:38 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	tbqh this specific bailout isn't gonna be the best solution but some sort of a bailout is obvs. needed and the people voting against this bill aren't doing it because of nuance, they're doing it because of: "I fear that ultimately it may not work,'' said Representative Jeb Hensarling, a Texas Republican, a leader of the opposition. The plan may put the U.S. on the "slippery slope to socialism,'' he said. which is sooooo dumb
ohboy		#8873	[-]
Posts: 1763 (09/29/08 12:39 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	these house gop guys are such fucking whiners. good god. "we're going to crash the market because we don't like what nancy said." spectacular.
Bonestripper		#8874	[-]
Posts: 790 (09/29/08 12:39 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's gonna hurt a bit but I am glad it failed. Let the market and capitalism fix the problem. Government can't even collect and redistribute money without fucking it up. Cut Spending, Cut taxes, drill holes all over Americas shore, send oil money to America instead of overseas. Wake up America, its time to be together and work together. Cinch up our belts, and help each other.
Sigvold		#8875	[-]
Posts: 8775 (09/29/08 12:40 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I can't believe the Republican Whips said they were off by about 17 votes --- it's their job to know how their members are gonna vote. Blaming it on Pelosi's hurting their feelings is not credible. They set this all up beforehand to take a political swipe at the Dems and Pelosi at the expense of sending the global financial crisis into a downward spiral!! Dumb fuckers Boo hoo Nancy made you feel bad
Mister Yuck		#8876	[-]
Posts: 3574 (09/29/08 12:41 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Bonestripper wrote: It's gonna hurt a bit but I am glad it failed. Let the market and capitalism fix the problem. Government can't even collect and redistribute money without fucking it up. Cut Spending, Cut taxes, drill holes all over Americas shore, send oil money to America instead of overseas. Wake up America, its time to be together and work together. Cinch up our belts, and help each other. please send me the drugs you're on, they must be awesome
soft shelled crab		#8877	[-]
Posts: 156 (09/29/08 12:41 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Nancy P is the TC of congress.
lilnubber		#8878	[-]
Posts: 10047 (09/29/08 12:42 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Bonestripper wrote: It's gonna hurt a bit but I am glad it failed. Let the market and capitalism fix the problem. Government can't even collect and redistribute money without fucking it up. Cut Spending, Cut taxes, drill holes all over Americas shore, send oil money to America instead of overseas. Wake up America, its time to be together and work together. Cinch up our belts, and help each other. Bonestripper, are you advocating for withdrawal from Iraq NOW?
unkle greggo		#8879	[-]
Posts: 3137 (09/29/08 12:42 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I agree that it's a stupid reason not to vote for it, but she may have hurt any bipartisan spirit that was formed over the weekend.
memyselfandi		#8880	[-]
Posts: 16058 (09/29/08 12:42 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Bonestripper wrote: It's gonna hurt a bit but I am glad it failed. Let the market and capitalism fix the problem. Government can't even collect and redistribute money without fucking it up. Cut Spending, Cut taxes, drill holes all over Americas shore, send oil money to America instead of overseas. Wake up America, its time to be together and work together. Cinch up our belts, and help each other. WTF? Cinch up our belts, and help each other? Oh but don't dare ask rich people to pay more in taxes. We can't ask them for help in paying down the deficit or the debt even as we cut unreasonable spending. That's unAmerican.

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ELECTION 08: PALINTOLOGY, SCIENCE OR SUPERSTITION?