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gwendolay		#2041	[-]
Posts: 725 (09/12/08 7:54 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The scary thing about BB is that Dan was probably cast to be extreme and off-putting right wing political guy. It was completely by accident that they ended up with the strategic player and decent human being they ended up with.
craig		#2042	[-]
Posts: 13948 (09/12/08 7:57 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Barber, I agree totally with you totally about Evel Dick and Crazy James. But I think you have a thing for the more reserved, unemotional, introverted good looking guys. I remember you were a big Matt fan back in the day. I think it's a mistake to assume such people are morally better than people who get emotional and vent in the heat of battle. I'd still rather have a personality like Michelle on my team than a coldhearted guy like Memphis. Dan will win, I think, partly because he is more charming and can relate better to women like Renny, Keesha, and Michelle.
SovereignSex		#2043	[-]
Posts: 675 (09/12/08 7:58 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite
craig		#2044	[-]
Posts: 13949 (09/12/08 8:01 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The scary thing about BB is that Dan was probably cast to be extreme and off-putting right wing political guy. Yes, just like Nakomis was cast for Project DNA, because Cowboy's Dad wouldn't do it. Maggie was brought on as Cappy's partner. Kaysar was brought on as Mike's partner and because it would be cool to have a Moslem. Jessica was cast so she could catfight with Carol. Many of the better players were casting afterthoughts.
Captain Bellamy		#2045	[-]
Posts: 2 (09/12/08 8:04 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dan <3
buried out back		#2046	[-]
Posts: 8113 (09/12/08 8:17 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	craig wrote: Riddle: How do you win BB without being a complete asshole? You hide and play possum and throw comps for the first half, then team with a bro and go on a comp run against the oldsters and pathetic players that remain. The women and old were doing well in eliminating the threats, until Keesha and Renny decided to team with the wolves, on condition that they were the last sheep to be eaten. Not a fan and not a hater or either Dan or Memphis but I just have to say that I don't really get what you're saying. It doesn't matter HOW you get to the end. The person/people who played the best game are the ones who actually win it. D/M made it to the end. They outlasted and outplayed everyone. Especially since the week that Jessie left. Someone had to team with the old and the weak. And really how much of a hindrance could it have been to be old and weak? They all made it to the top 5, so there's that. You seem to think that Keesha and Renny could have gone further if they teamed with someone else. If that's true, it's not Dan and Memphis who were the bad players it was Renny and Keesha for choosing the wrong allies and not winning the competitions when it was key. They always had an out to stay in the game, win an HOH or a POV. They did neither. Dan/Memphis won every one that they needed to keep them in the game. As for "the women who handed them the game" being pathetic players, how pathetic could they have been? They outlasted all the "strong players." Keesha and Renny were instumental in getting the "real competition" of Angie and Michelle out. Angie was no competition at all. She sat on a couch and smoked all day instead of trying to play a better social game. Michelle was strong physically but she played herself out of the game by choosing to side with Ollie and Jerry instead of with Memphis and Dan, who both tried to offer her a spot in their alliance. Keesha's spot, in fact. She chose not to side with them. And she was batshit crazy. As for Dan and Memphis, I guess this year on BB, the best strategy was to throw comps and side with the weaker/older players. It got them to the end game. That's the point of BB isn't it? You win by getting yourself to the end of the game?
wisemiller		#2047	[-]
Posts: 127 (09/12/08 8:29 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dan didn't have to play real hard to win. He just jogged across the finish line. The idiots just gave him everything he wanted. He is no different than Dr.Will in Chill Town first season.
moviegirl11		#2048	[-]
Posts: 2545 (09/12/08 8:29 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	buried out back wrote: As for Dan and Memphis, I guess this year on BB, the best strategy was to throw comps and side with the weaker/older players. It got them to the end game. That's the point of BB isn't it? You win by getting yourself to the end of the game? This is not the first time I've seen someone try to break down Dan and Memphis' strategy to something like "throw comps and side with weaker/older players." You're entitled to your opinion of course but I really think both Dan and Memphis deserve a lot more credit than that. You dont have to like them as people but your brief description of their strategy omits a lot. Examples: Dan laying low earlier in the season when the target on his back was huge after Brian left. Memphis moving around a bit and creating allies with various people early on. Dan becoming the swing vote for a couple of weeks, giving the houseguests incentive to keep him around (thinking he could be manipulated). Dan maneuvering through the game even though half the house was convinced he was America's Player and not to be trusted. Then of course the infamous deal with Ollie, which resulted in Michelle's eviction. The decision to ally with Keesha and Renny (which was more a numbers thing rather either of them being weaker or older). The major payoff for that alliance: Keesha won the fast forward HoH and got Ollie eliminated. Had they not allied with Keesha, one of them might've been gone that week. Memphis convincing Jerry not to put him and Dan up on the block together then winning the Veto to save Dan. Then of course, cutting Renny and Keesha loose before either one of them got the upper hand and cut one of them loose first. All the while Dan and Memphis kept people guessing about their alliance. Right to the very end the houseguests were left to wonder how close the two really were. If Dan comes out ahead of Memphis it will be due to how nice he's been to people even when they were jerks to him. They played a good game. As I said, you dont have to like them as people or even as houseguests but I dont think its fair to minimize their efforts.
The SovereignOne		#2049	[-]
Posts: 977 (09/12/08 8:30 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	buried out back wrote: craig wrote: Riddle: How do you win BB without being a complete asshole? You hide and play possum and throw comps for the first half, then team with a bro and go on a comp run against the oldsters and pathetic players that remain. The women and old were doing well in eliminating the threats, until Keesha and Renny decided to team with the wolves, on condition that they were the last sheep to be eaten. Not a fan and not a hater or either Dan or Memphis but I just have to say that I don't really get what you're saying. It doesn't matter HOW you get to the end. The person/people who played the best game are the ones who actually win it. D/M made it to the end. They outlasted and outplayed everyone. Especially since the week that Jessie left. Someone had to team with the old and the weak. And really how much of a hindrance could it have been to be old and weak? They all made it to the top 5, so there's that. You seem to think that Keesha and Renny could have gone further if they teamed with someone else. If that's true, it's not Dan and Memphis who were the bad players it was Renny and Keesha for choosing the wrong allies and not winning the competitions when it was key. They always had an out to stay in the game, win an HOH or a POV. They did neither. Dan/Memphis won every one that they needed to keep them in the game. As for "the women who handed them the game" being pathetic players, how pathetic could they have been? They outlasted all the "strong players." Keesha and Renny were instumental in getting the "real competition" of Angie and Michelle out. Angie was no competition at all. She sat on a couch and smoked all day instead of trying to play a better social game. Michelle was strong physically but she played herself out of the game by choosing to side with Ollie and Jerry instead of with Memphis and Dan, who both tried to offer her a spot in their alliance. Keesha's spot, in fact. She chose not to side with them. And she was batshit crazy. As for Dan and Memphis, I guess this year on BB, the best strategy was to throw comps and side with the weaker/older players. It got them to the end game. That's the point of BB isn't it? You win by getting yourself to the end of the game? Exactly, couldn't have said it better myself. A good example is Janey on All-Stars. You had all these people saying she made terrible choices and that she was playing a poorly thought out game, however every decision she made ultimatley put her within one compeition of making F2 and winning the game. Memphis and Dan aligned themselves with the right people to get themselves further in the game, I don't see how that can be questioned. If the "women that handed them the game" did all their dirty work (which they didn't) while Dan was able to sit back and throw compeitions for the first half of the season, where is the negative in that? Padre positioned himself perfectly and adapted to situations smoothly week after week. He won must-win comps and wasn't afraid to roll the dice when the situation called for it. I think that is how you win BB without being a complete asshole... I think.
buried out back		#2050	[-]
Posts: 8114 (09/12/08 8:31 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	moviegirl11 wrote: buried out back wrote: As for Dan and Memphis, I guess this year on BB, the best strategy was to throw comps and side with the weaker/older players. It got them to the end game. That's the point of BB isn't it? You win by getting yourself to the end of the game? This is not the first time I've seen someone try to break down Dan and Memphis' strategy to something like "throw comps and side with weaker/older players." You're entitled to your opinion of course but I really think both Dan and Memphis deserve a lot more credit than that. You dont have to like them as people but your brief description of their strategy omits a lot. Examples: Dan laying low earlier in the season when the target on his back was huge after Brian left. Memphis moving around a bit and creating allies with various people early on. Dan becoming the swing vote for a couple of weeks, giving the houseguests incentive to keep him around (thinking he could be manipulated). Dan maneuvering through the game even though half the house was convinced he was America's Player and not to be trusted. Then of course the infamous deal with Ollie, which resulted in Michelle's eviction. The decision to ally with Keesha and Renny (which was more a numbers thing rather either of them being weaker or older). The major payoff for that alliance: Keesha won the fast forward HoH and got Ollie eliminated. Had they not allied with Keesha, one of them might've been gone that week. Memphis convincing Jerry not to put him and Dan up on the block together then winning the Veto to save Dan. Then of course, cutting Renny and Keesha loose before either one of them got the upper hand and cut one of them loose first. All the while Dan and Memphis kept people guessing about their alliance. Right to the very end the houseguests were left to wonder how close the two really were. If Dan comes out ahead of Memphis it will be due to how nice he's been to people even when they were jerks to him. They played a good game. As I said, you dont have to like them as people or even as houseguests but I dont think its fair to minimize their efforts. Umm...I was being sarcastic because the poster I quoted listed that as the answer to their riddle.
moviegirl11		#2051	[-]
Posts: 2546 (09/12/08 8:32 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	LOL sorry BoB. I must have missed that. Ah well, it gave me an excuse to think of some of the best plays the Renegades made this season.
factoryhurl		#2052	[-]
Posts: 3625 (09/12/08 8:33 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	to add to Bob's comments...i am not on the danwagon per se, either. renny and keesha screwed themselves when they decided to get shitfaced drunk the night of the m.orph comp. it was their choice and it affected their performance. can't blame that on the renegades. keesha sucked ass on the last couple of comps...so how does r/k's poor comp gameplay make dan/mem evil bastards? btw, i felt bad for keesha when she was dumped but she should have won veto. bottom line is that memphis and dan outplayed the others and they are the last 2 sitting there so i guess they deserve it.
gwendolay		#2053	[-]
Posts: 728 (09/12/08 8:38 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dan and Memphis worked their asses off to get to the final two. They didn't just rely on winning comps against weaker players. Instead, they took out insurance policies week after week to make sure they had some kind of deal in place with those other players on the off chance that those players won. They didn't leave it to chance or a brute force game. The perfect example is how they played Jerry during his last HOH week. I actually think that Memphis' working of Jerry and saving Dan with the veto is his best selling point when the jurors inevitably ask him what "big moves" he personally made in the house. Another example is of course, Dan's constant working of Keesha by protecting her with Ollie and not nominating her directly last week. They didn't take it for granted that they'd win comps against Keesha, Renny, and Jerry. They knew there was an element of luck, so they covered their bases. When Dan saw that Memphis was potentially too close with Michelle, he cut her while saving Memphis at the same time (otherwise, I think he would have cut Ollie that week as a more direct personal threat). There are just so many moves to look back on that most players wouldn't have bothered with because they would have been cocky about their ability to win competitions.
Gregoire		#2054	[-]
Posts: 29254 (09/12/08 8:48 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dan played this game like a fiddle. However, I will admit he was surrounded by some real idiots, making his tasks that much easier.
gwendolay		#2055	[-]
Posts: 729 (09/12/08 8:54 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	There's an article about Dan in The Detroit News, notable only for the fact that his head coach dashes the dreams of Dan haters in and out of the jury in not taking issue with Dan's lies in the game. He likens it to poker.
The SovereignOne		#2056	[-]
Posts: 980 (09/12/08 8:59 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Gregoire wrote: Dan played this game like a fiddle. However, I will admit he was surrounded by some real idiots, making his tasks that much easier. I think every great player in any season will always here that claim though, that they were "surrounded by idiots". Main reason being is that there is almost always 3 or 4 just really dumb and non-sensical players in the house season after season no matter what. Casting seems determined to find them. Part of the reason why Will's run on All-Stars was so incredible to me was because of the fact that he wasn't surrounded by complete morons and we knew that for a fact. To give Padre some credit though, he immediatley recognized who the sensible/smart players were and gravitated towards them to gain their trust and subsequently their friendship. Brian, Angie, Steven, and Memphis were definitley the logical thinkers in there and that is part of the reason why all five of them (including Dan) were on the block and or evicted during the pre-sequester stage. Once Sequester hit though, Dan systematically gravitated towards the people he felt he could trust the most and played a part in getting out the bigger targets one week after another. Libra was the most game savy player in there (sans Padre) and her being the first juror was huge for Dan's game. After that, the kid proved he was a threat in compeitions and because of that fact was able to almost single handly put the final nail in April, Ollie, and Michelle's respective coffins. From there, he played a hybrid of the game he was playing the first half of the season and the second half and to be fair, also had some luck. However, luck is just as big a factor in the game as anything else and it was on Padre's side from Week 4 on. He was in there with a few ignoramouses but he also saw the potential threat in everyone, which even most great players almost always lose sight of.
buried out back		#2057	[-]
Posts: 8115 (09/12/08 9:03 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	gwendolay wrote: There's an article about Dan in The Detroit News, notable only for the fact that his head coach dashes the dreams of Dan haters in and out of the jury in not taking issue with Dan's lies in the game. He likens it to poker. Heh, you need to post that in his hate thread. The fact that he still has a job will make their heads explode.
Cassidy666		#2058	[-]
Posts: 8585 (09/12/08 9:19 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dan took the most risk in this game from the very start. If anything, he should be rewarded for it as well as sticking with the people in his alliance.
moviegirl11		#2059	[-]
Posts: 2552 (09/12/08 9:41 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Cassidy666 wrote: Dan took the most risk in this game from the very start. If anything, he should be rewarded for it as well as sticking with the people in his alliance. Cassidy on a slightly off-Dantopic, I love your avatar. It's when Keesha read the "hot" thing, right? She looked so cute at the end. I also love that it seems like she realizes Dan played a role in her eviction, she still respects his game play. I think if Memphis made one major mistake with Keesha's eviction it was not trying to spend time with her after she found out. I suspect he wanted to avoid getting yelled at anymore so instead of letting her scream at him and get it out of her system, he avoided her. He could've let her get mad and then assured her that it was nothing personal and all game. She would've still left mad but regained some perspective since she left. I think she was more hurt by how he handled that. Dan's willingness to ignore the awkwardness and spend time with her the night before her eviction was really sweet (and stratigically beneficial).
SovereignSex		#2060	[-]
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