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Kitty Pryde1		#5461	[-]
Posts: 5099 (07/24/08 5:42 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	To be fair, Amanda IS Eliza's inferior.
EOrlins		#5462	[-]
Posts: 991 (07/24/08 10:53 PM) Because it's just a stick!!! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	tullfan2 wrote: Frankly, I'm glad that they did away with Fallen Comrades because it was a bunch of crap and eventually became telegraphed enough that it strongly contributed to one person, Vecepia, winning because she prepared in advance for it and pretended to care about the people she was with when she didn't really care about many of them. As, Richard Hatch pointed out to Colleen in Borneo, the game of Survivor is being cognizant of the relationships and bonds that form between different contestants and not knowing the names of the contestants siblings. Admittedly, I don't think that Hatch was as bad as Parvati and Amanda but Parvati hit it off with Alexis well considering she didn't know any of her brothers names. Asking to name 3 candidates for President is about as relevant to the game of Survivor as Lisi asking Dreamz how many zeroes there are in one million or Dave asking Jenna/Matthew which leader that they most respect or Shane/Greg/Kelly asking the Final 2 to pick a number Face it Eliza, you were just bitter in Vanuatu and you were bitter in Micronesia because people who you felt were your inferiors (Twila, Parvati, Amanda) outplayed you. I know it seems like a bitter speech, but I really wasn't bitter at all, I just think that most jury questions are so mundane and boring that I wanted to spice things up. I wasn't even going to ask the President question, but Jeff egged me on! haha. I hate when people get up in front of the final two and say "congratulations, you both played a great game. tell me about your best move" or something like that. It's so lame. I just wanted to have fun with it.
fat little fingers		#5463	[-]
Posts: 5548 (07/25/08 5:13 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	tullfan: Face it Eliza, you were just bitter in Vanuatu and you were bitter in Micronesia because people who you felt were your inferiors (Twila, Parvati, Amanda) outplayed you. zing! Waiting a long time for the opportunity to use this one, eh? Doesn't quite go with the Fallen Comrades-Pres candidates comments, but you got it in. Lol. Someone here commented early in the season that Eliza knew what the eds wanted in confessionals and delivered. I'd say ditto for the jury questions. Eliza: I hate when people get up in front of the final two and say "congratulations, you both played a great game. tell me about your best move" or something like that. It's so lame. I just wanted to have fun with it. Agreed. Natalie certainly had fun with the confessionals and jury questions, too.
tullfan2		#5464	[-]
Posts: 2741 (07/25/08 5:28 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	zing! Waiting a long time for the opportunity to use this one, eh? Doesn't quite go with the Fallen Comrades-Pres candidates comments, but you got it in. Lol. Someone here commented early in the season that Eliza knew what the eds wanted in confessionals and delivered. I'd say ditto for the jury questions After sixteen seasons, I've grown tired of the forced histrionics of some of the jurors (eg. Judd, Shane, Alex A., Lisi, Natalie, Ozzy in Micro., Eliza in Micro.). It's not that I have anything against juries being angry but I prefer when they confront them about their actions during the game (eg. Gregg to Katie in Palau or Eliza to Twila/Chris in Vanuatu or Helen to Brian/Clay). What I object to is when I sense that the jurors specifically say things to either embarass or hurt the finalists that has nothing or little to do with the game. To this day, IMHO, John Carroll still gave the best jury question - "Why the hell should I give you my vote?". It was direct and to the point. I know it seems like a bitter speech, but I really wasn't bitter at all, I just think that most jury questions are so mundane and boring that I wanted to spice things up. I wasn't even going to ask the President question, but Jeff egged me on! haha. I hate when people get up in front of the final two and say "congratulations, you both played a great game. tell me about your best move" or something like that. It's so lame. I just wanted to have fun with it. Eliza, thanks for responding.
fat little fingers		#5465	[-]
Posts: 5549 (07/25/08 5:41 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	tf: What I object to is when I sense that the jurors specifically say things to either embarass or hurt the finalists that has nothing or little to do with the game. I still say this is something you'd have to take up with the editors. Everything the viewer has to make opinions about a character's statements and behavior is edited. Keep in mind that, "...nothing or little to do with the game", refers to the game you were shown.
tullfan2		#5466	[-]
Posts: 2743 (07/25/08 8:21 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	fat little fingers wrote: tf: What I object to is when I sense that the jurors specifically say things to either embarass or hurt the finalists that has nothing or little to do with the game. I still say this is something you'd have to take up with the editors. Everything the viewer has to make opinions about a character's statements and behavior is edited. Keep in mind that, "...nothing or little to do with the game", refers to the game you were shown. I do try to account for that flf but there are certain instances such as Lisi asking Dreamz how many zeroes there are in one million or Eliza saying that she wants to kill herself after hearing Amanda speak or Shane criticizing Aras for freeloading off his dad that show lack of class and are uncalled for. Those were all personal statements that had little to do with gameplay.
Kitty Pryde1		#5467	[-]
Posts: 5111 (07/26/08 2:42 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But when Amanda speaks, it makes everyone want to kill themselves, so I think that was still okay.
Warrior		#5468	[-]
Posts: 2616 (07/26/08 6:00 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	astroline wrote: I agree with everything you said, OTH. =) On an unrelated note which still has not been brought up (by anyone other than me), where is the final chart? The one on the main page only goes up to Episode 12, the final 2 episodes are still blank and the overall ratings for each player aren't up either. Warrior? I'm b a c k... I just returned from the Turks and Caicos Islands. I hope to get caught up soon.
fat little fingers		#5469	[-]
Posts: 5550 (07/26/08 6:04 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	or Shane criticizing Aras for freeloading off his dad that show lack of class and are uncalled for. ...or RobM telling us that that Big Tom's son is stupid. Yeah, I hear ya, tf. But when Amanda speaks, it makes everyone want to kill themselves, so I think that was still okay. Lol, Kitty! Yeah, that's the other side of it. We didn't have to live with these people. The game is designed for irritation and frustration. In Amanda's defence, I gotta concede that she did close the deal in the final challenge in two back-to-back seasons.
cantthinkofaname		#5470	[-]
Posts: 1185 (07/26/08 10:38 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Are we gonna finalize the Micronesia chart anytime soon?
chaperone		#5471	[-]
Posts: 2512 (07/27/08 12:32 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's hard to be too down on Amanda overall as a player, but undoubtedly can make the statement that she's just not good at facing the jury. Of course that makes the difference between winning and losing so does reflect on her overall player-ness, but you gotta give some props for making it that far twice in a row. Isn't the lesson learned that when you face the jury you flatter the jury not by saying "It's so hard to be here and make this decision I feel guilt awful oh how horrible woe is me" and rather say "I'm sorry if you're feelings are hurt, but I knew Cirie would win because she was the best player out here so I had to vote her off as my best shot at winning." How's everyone doing? I figured I'd stop in and say hello. My wife's at 37 weeks as of this coming Tuesday which means the baby is full term and could come whenever he chooses! Ultrasound estimates put him at 6lbs 14 ounces, which means if he makes it to his 40 week due date, he'll probably be just under 8 pounds. I can't believe Chaperone's about to be a dad! I'll post an update when little chaperone enters the breathing world.
Kitty Pryde1		#5472	[-]
Posts: 5112 (07/27/08 12:51 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't think Amanda getting to the end twice is that big of an accomplishment, given her demographic. She's a young, semi-attractive brunette that has physical strength for challenges and doesn't really upset people with her personality. She's guaranteed to make the endgame unless her initial tribe sucks.
tullfan2		#5473	[-]
Posts: 2744 (07/27/08 8:44 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think that we would like Amanda more if she had been on TAR instead of Survivor where she wouldn't have to vote people out and face a jury. She is able to retain her composure during the physical challenges and would probably do well on the physical tasks on TAR. She might be comparable to the Beauty Queen team of Dustin and Kandace who were popular enough with TAR viewers to be invited back to TAR All Stars. I'm not a big fan of hers but I think that Amanda gets more criticism than she deserves because she is the only contestant to play 2 complete games of Survivor. Her losing both times has more to do with her not having an overall game plan (unlike Todd and Parvati) which she can explain and defend to the jury. She plays too conservatively and won't own up to voting people out.
chapera rocks		#5474	[-]
Posts: 9494 (07/27/08 11:35 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Bingo. That's exactly what her problem was. Both Parvati and Cirie said she kind of just hung out with them and made very few decisions, probably because she was afraid to be seen as the mastermind. Or her conscience took over, because she even said post Micro that blindsiding James is a huge regret of hers because she felt so bad about it. Survivor's just not for her than. But I will give her props for making the finals on both seasons. Good demographic or not, it takes skill to do it twice.
Warrior		#5475	[-]
Posts: 2617 (07/27/08 2:46 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Do we have final overall ratings?
EOrlins		#5476	[-]
Posts: 994 (07/28/08 8:16 AM) Because it's just a stick!!! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: But when Amanda speaks, it makes everyone want to kill themselves, so I think that was still okay. hahahaha. Thanks. No, but seriously, I was explaining to them what I thought of them in the game (perhaps a little more harshly than necessary), but they were pretty horrible to me for the 24 days I spent out there, so it was my turn to express myself and I made it colorful. I'd been sitting at Ponderosa with LOTS of free time for longer than anyone else, so I wanted my jury question to be a zinger.
fat little fingers		#5477	[-]
Posts: 5551 (07/28/08 8:17 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hey, Warrior. Welcome back! Things are pretty quiet these days, here at the asylum. Someone has made a tally of the overall ratings. I haven't looked for them (yet), but if anyone knows or has it, please repost it.
tropical rain		#5478	[-]
Posts: 54 (07/28/08 8:26 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	EOrlins wrote: No, but seriously, I was explaining to them what I thought of them in the game (perhaps a little more harshly than necessary), but they were pretty horrible to me for the 24 days I spent out there, so it was my turn to express myself and I made it colorful. I'd been sitting at Ponderosa with LOTS of free time for longer than anyone else, so I wanted my jury question to be a zinger. I'm glad you did make it interesting... though you couldn't quite compete with Natalie. XD They should show the final tribal council jury questions unabridged on the official website... Sorry about the Amanda avatar!
fat little fingers		#5479	[-]
Posts: 5552 (07/28/08 8:29 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	...they were pretty horrible to me for the 24 days I spent out there,.. You seemed to be cut out of the social cliques pretty quick, Eliza. Ami too. Since watching the final jury scenes, I've been wondering if those at the Ponderosa were given the opportunity to watch episodes of Survivor China, since it was the one season not available to both fans and faves. Many of the slams on Amanda seemed related to her final jury performance in China. Last Edited By: fat little fingers 07/28/08 1:11 PM. Edited 1 times.
JaMalle		#5480	[-]
Posts: 4080 (07/29/08 8:06 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Eliza <3

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