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The Virgin Murray		#5221	[-]
Posts: 1301 (07/29/08 12:23 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I wonder how many conservatives Obama will be appointing to all those cushy jobs the president gets to fill.
TobaccoRhoda		#5222	[-]
Posts: 26638 (07/29/08 12:26 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	What the hell has that zany Ted Stevens done now?
unkle greggo		#5223	[-]
Posts: 2417 (07/29/08 1:15 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Virgin Murray wrote: I wonder how many conservatives Obama will be appointing to all those cushy jobs the president gets to fill. Exactly, when job require presidential appointment, they're always going to lean one way.
Gregoire		#5224	[-]
Posts: 28160 (07/29/08 1:58 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This isn't about political appointments. These are 'career attorney' posts. "To understand Monica Goodling's errors and the issue of intent, you should first know that the Justice Department hires both 'political' and 'career' attorneys. And on page 12 of its report, it says: It is not improper to consider political affiliations when hiring for political positions. However, both Department policy and federal law prohibit discrimination in hiring for Department career positions on the basis of political affiliations Cyclical political appointees are different from everyday governmental legal posts. If bias played a part in hiring the latter, you would have a never ending cycle of re-appointments with every political shift in Washington and veers straight into basic discrimination laws. It would essentially be Boss Tweed-era politics. Last Edited By: Gregoire 07/29/08 2:02 PM. Edited 2 times.
lilnubber		#5225	[-]
Posts: 9522 (07/29/08 2:24 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Virgin Murray wrote: I wonder how many conservatives Obama will be appointing to all those cushy jobs the president gets to fill. Um, Federal laws were broken in the politicization of the DOJ by the Bush Administration. This wasn't the usual partisan stuff. U.S. Attorneys aren't typically political appointments -- they are legal appointments.
unkle greggo		#5226	[-]
Posts: 2418 (07/29/08 2:27 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I know what you're saying Gregoire, I just don't think it's that big of a deal. Granted, I would rather see a justice system with no political leaning, including the Supreme Court, but this one just isn't high on my list of shit to be outraged about.
glazerboy		#5227	[-]
Posts: 2636 (07/29/08 2:41 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You should consider it a big deal because some of those positions were counterterrorism posts in which highly qualified individuals were turned down for employment because they weren't conservative enough for Goodling, et al, and the jobs then went to much less qualified people. So yes, if you are concerned that the United States puts the best people we have on the terrorism problem, rather than the people who pass some lackey's litmus test, then this should be a big deal.
ObservingEgo		#5228	[-]
Posts: 6321 (07/29/08 2:43 PM) Hi, you two!!! : ) : ) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Tim Kaine???
rugslug		#5229	[-]
Posts: 6851 (07/29/08 2:44 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	lilnubber wrote: The Virgin Murray wrote: I wonder how many conservatives Obama will be appointing to all those cushy jobs the president gets to fill. Um, Federal laws were broken in the politicization of the DOJ by the Bush Administration. This wasn't the usual partisan stuff. U.S. Attorneys aren't typically political appointments -- they are legal appointments. what Federal laws were broken when Clinton fired US attorneys investigating Whitewater? Remember he replaced them with one of his former law students who promptly dropped the investigation? Any laws broken there? Would that be considered politicization of the DOJ?
glazerboy		#5230	[-]
Posts: 2637 (07/29/08 2:46 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh ruggy, you are so 90s. Get with the program.
Gregoire		#5231	[-]
Posts: 28162 (07/29/08 2:57 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BUT CLINTON!
unkle greggo		#5232	[-]
Posts: 2419 (07/29/08 3:15 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	glazerboy wrote: You should consider it a big deal because some of those positions were counterterrorism posts in which highly qualified individuals were turned down for employment because they weren't conservative enough for Goodling, et al, and the jobs then went to much less qualified people. So yes, if you are concerned that the United States puts the best people we have on the terrorism problem, rather than the people who pass some lackey's litmus test, then this should be a big deal. I'm sure you oppose affirmative action because of the same reasons.
lilnubber		#5233	[-]
Posts: 9523 (07/29/08 3:18 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Greggo, you got all bent out of shape when Obama wasn't "patriotic" because he didn't wear a FUCKING LAPEL PIN, but the Bush Administration hires people based not on their merit but on how good their reasons for wanting to "serve George Bush" are, and all you can do is yawn.
rugslug		#5234	[-]
Posts: 6852 (07/29/08 3:19 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	glazerboy wrote: Oh ruggy, you are so 90s. Get with the program. I agree. It's time to start looking forward to 2008 election. These Bush Derangement types keep bogging us down in meaningless distractions.
StatelyWayneManor		#5235	[-]
Posts: 7420 (07/29/08 3:21 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I could be wrong but Tim Kaine may have even less experience than Obama. He just really, really wants to win Virginia.
unkle greggo		#5236	[-]
Posts: 2420 (07/29/08 3:25 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	lilnubber wrote: Greggo, you got all bent out of shape when Obama wasn't "patriotic" because he didn't wear a FUCKING LAPEL PIN, but the Bush Administration hires people based not on their merit but on how good their reasons for wanting to "serve George Bush" are, and all you can do is yawn. Um, I don't think I ever said anything about his FUCKING LAPEL PIN, I also defended his comments about the surge, accusations about his religion, and various other rumors, so blow me.
B DeBrun		#5237	[-]
Posts: 17220 (07/29/08 3:31 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Gregoire wrote: This isn't about political appointments. These are 'career attorney' posts. "To understand Monica Goodling's errors and the issue of intent, you should first know that the Justice Department hires both 'political' and 'career' attorneys. And on page 12 of its report, it says: It is not improper to consider political affiliations when hiring for political positions. However, both Department policy and federal law prohibit discrimination in hiring for Department career positions on the basis of political affiliations Cyclical political appointees are different from everyday governmental legal posts. If bias played a part in hiring the latter, you would have a never ending cycle of re-appointments with every political shift in Washington and veers straight into basic discrimination laws. It would essentially be Boss Tweed-era politics. I'm relieved, relieved I tell you that 100% of the replacements for the entire DOJ DA staff fired by Clinton didn't lean one way or another....
merkyl		#5238	[-]
Posts: 56478 (07/29/08 3:31 PM) Registered loser More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So people weren't hired on merit but some other factor? When did we start talking about affirmative action?
lilnubber		#5239	[-]
Posts: 9524 (07/29/08 3:55 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	so blow me. You wish, Greggo.
rugslug		#5240	[-]
Posts: 6853 (07/29/08 3:56 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	merkyl wrote: So people weren't hired on merit but some other factor? When did we start talking about affirmative action? wait! Obama is FOR affirmative action? I thought he was the post racial candidate?

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