An idea to improve Survivor so that weaklings dont comprise the finals

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ArtieeLange		#821	[-]
Posts: 135 (07/22/08 3:07 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dictatorship wrote: Stop bumping your own thread, douche. I have many posts to reply to, stupid.
getting real		#822	[-]
Posts: 1260 (07/22/08 5:31 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I was in a Survivor ORG game once, I didn't participate at all, ended up on the jury, and decided in one post who should win (and everyone listened).
oh ehm gee		#823	[-]
Posts: 1178 (07/22/08 6:44 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ArtieeLange wrote: oh ehm gee wrote: Darrah is more entertaining than Sandra. Terry is more entertaining than Shane/Courtney/Cirie. Kelly W is more entertaining than Hatch or Rudy. Amanda is more entertaining than Catalie or Courtney. They were only entertaining when they were willing to struggle to win the game. The first time big-Cirie struggled was as entertaining as it gets. Unfortunately for her, she failed, and unfortunately for the viewer, it didn't happen until she got to the final 4 challenge. My system encourages struggling and earning your victory since day one. But...she did struggle since day one. She was going to be the first boot but turned the votes against Timber Tina.
ArtieeLange		#824	[-]
Posts: 138 (07/22/08 8:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	oh ehm gee wrote: But...she did struggle since day one. I have higher standards for "struggle". Simply bonding with losers is not an individual test, otherwise anyone including Chet and Kathy "struggled since day one"...until they gave up? Nay, Cirie learned what struggling was at the final 3 challenge, A for Effort, but we all learned with her that she doesn't have what it takes to win. So look at this game of "Survivor". You have three competitors left. One struggles and succeeds. One struggles and fails. One feels like she doesn't need to win, so doesn't struggle at all. And then goes on to win.
SFC		#825	[-]
Posts: 414 (07/23/08 12:48 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ArtieeLange wrote: So look at this game of "Survivor". You have three competitors left. One struggles and succeeds. One struggles and fails. One feels like she doesn't need to win, so doesn't struggle at all. And then goes on to win. So you're saying the winner *MUST* win Challenges to win, even in your system Parvati still would have won because both players would take her to the Final 2, and she played a better game than Amanda in the eyes of the Jury, so unless your method changes the way the winner is selected Parvati would have won in your system as well.
Coachocd		#826	[-]
Posts: 7152 (07/23/08 1:15 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Phuz1 wrote: Hello. I'm Executive Producer Mark Burnett. I think this is a wonderful idea. To make it better, Stephene will always be at the loser's camp, and Rupert will be at the winner's camp. Then we can hear her complain and cry, and hear him RAWR to celebrate. It'll be ratings gold! Thank you for your most helpful first post here. I look forward to additional suggestions on how to turn my show around, now that its ratings have started to sag worse than Denise's titties. LOL. Careful. He might hear you and take you seriously.
ArtieeLange		#827	[-]
Posts: 139 (07/23/08 3:47 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SFC wrote: even in your system Parvati still would have won because both players would take her to the Final 2 ah HA! See this is where you need a lil help with the complicated hypotheticals. In my system, Parvati wouldn't have made it to the final 3 (unless she was just acting dumb and uncoordinated).
SFC		#828	[-]
Posts: 415 (07/23/08 4:36 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ArtieeLange wrote: SFC wrote: even in your system Parvati still would have won because both players would take her to the Final 2 ah HA! See this is where you need a lil help with the complicated hypotheticals. In my system, Parvati wouldn't have made it to the final 3 (unless she was just acting dumb and uncoordinated). What makes you say that, from what I've heard about how your system works, she would last until the Jury phase at least.
Kitty Pryde1		#829	[-]
Posts: 5094 (07/23/08 10:41 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Artiee has yet to give any reason why the final 2 would NOT have the weakest player in the game aside from denying that you can just make an assumption about how someone would perform in challenges. Seriously, Chet would last all 39 days under your system, Artiee, unless he was injured and medevaced again.
ArtieeLange		#830	[-]
Posts: 140 (07/23/08 8:19 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Chet would last all 39 days under your system Notwithstanding your stupid predictions, the only way to last 39 days under my system is to succeed at challenges, succeed at strategizing, or both. It's irrelevant if your lil brain predicts Chet would fall into one of those categories or not, though what we know about Chet is that he hid behind the permanent teams of the current system, and was used to vote out threats, both of which are impossible under my system.
SFC		#831	[-]
Posts: 416 (07/23/08 10:07 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ArtieeLange wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Chet would last all 39 days under your system Notwithstanding your stupid predictions, the only way to last 39 days under my system is to succeed at challenges, succeed at strategizing, or both. It's irrelevant if your lil brain predicts Chet would fall into one of those categories or not, though what we know about Chet is that he hid behind the permanent teams of the current system, and was used to vote out threats, both of which are impossible under my system. In your system Chet would slip under the radar as a non threat, in the current system he sticks out like a sore thumb as someone who is a liability. Since your game starts as individual competitions players like Chet would make it to the end like Courtney did in China Post Merge, she wasn't targeted because she was not a threat. Answer this Artiee, Who would most likely be the Final 3 in your scenario if it was in Micronesia?
ArtieeLange		#832	[-]
Posts: 141 (07/23/08 10:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SFC wrote: Chet would slip under the radar as a non threat, in the current system he sticks out like a sore thumb as someone who is a liability. In the current system, there are no "liabilities" because the teams don't care about winning, since they can just vote out threats. In my system, non-threats are well-known because they never get into the top half of challenges. So again, every point you make is incorrect. SFC wrote: Who would most likely be the Final 3 in your scenario if it was in Micronesia? Who knows, many players got voted out before given a chance to prove themselves. Thats the problem with all seasons under the current system.
SFC		#833	[-]
Posts: 417 (07/23/08 10:55 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ArtieeLange wrote: In the current system, there are no "liabilities" because the teams don't care about winning, since they can just vote out threats. If that is the case then how did Ozzy, Erik, and Amanda, three of the strongest members of the New Malakal tribe all made the merge and Tracy, Chet, and Ami the weaker ones didn't? ArtieeLange wrote: In my system, non-threats are well-known because they never get into the top half of challenges. So in individual phases players go after the people that always lose Challenges, and keep the strongest until the end? ArtieeLange wrote: So again, every point ~~you~~ I make is incorrect. Fixed ArtieeLange wrote: Who knows, many players got voted out before given a chance to prove themselves. Thats the problem with all seasons under the current system. Like Who?
ArtieeLange		#834	[-]
Posts: 142 (07/24/08 1:59 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SFC wrote: ArtieeLange wrote: In my system, non-threats are well-known because they never get into the top half of challenges. So in individual phases players go after the people that always lose Challenges, and keep the strongest until the end? Under the current system, threats are always targets. Under mine, the best half are immune. SFC wrote: ArtieeLange wrote: Who knows, many players got voted out before given a chance to prove themselves. Thats the problem with all seasons under the current system. Like Who? Anyone who never made it to the individual challenges, and especially those voted off early.
Torchflame		#835	[-]
Posts: 21 (07/24/08 2:46 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	A weakling in one way or another will make it far in a game, if a smart player takes it to the end. Otherwise, unless that "weakling" knows how to manipulate the players, his/her chances of surviving before the merge are not very high. After the merge you need a weakling, because you know he/she won't win challenges. So people will always take this into consideration.
SFC		#836	[-]
Posts: 418 (07/24/08 3:06 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ArtieeLange wrote: SFC wrote: ArtieeLange wrote: In my system, non-threats are well-known because they never get into the top half of challenges. So in individual phases players go after the people that always lose Challenges, and keep the strongest until the end? Under the current system, threats are always targets. Under mine, the best half are immune. Examples Please? *ArtieeLange wrote:* Anyone who never made it to the individual challenges, and especially those voted off early Again, I need examples, Chicken, Leslie, Billy, Sekou, Cecelia?
ArtieeLange		#837	[-]
Posts: 143 (07/26/08 2:28 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SFC wrote: *ArtieeLange wrote:* Anyone who never made it to the individual challenges, and especially those voted off early Again, I need examples, Chicken, Leslie, Billy, Sekou, Cecelia? I already told you, an example of a player who didn't get a chance to prove themselves are 1) every player voted out first 2) probably every player voted out second 3) most likely every player voted out before individual immunity.
SFC		#838	[-]
Posts: 420 (07/26/08 6:04 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ArtieeLange wrote: SFC wrote: *ArtieeLange* wrote: Anyone who never made it to the individual challenges, and especially those voted off early Again, I need examples, Chicken, Leslie, Billy, Sekou, Cecelia? I already told you, an example of a player who didn't get a chance to prove themselves are 1) every player voted out first 2) probably every player voted out second 3) most likely every player voted out before individual immunity. I need names, you're giving descriptions, but not names
Thailandsurvivor		#839	[-]
Posts: 1091 (07/26/08 6:14 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	How did this get to 43 pages?
ArtieeLange		#840	[-]
Posts: 144 (07/27/08 7:40 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: How did this get to 43 pages? Is that as big a mystery to you as how the game of Survivor works? Insecure people don't like change. Ignorant people think they know things that they don't. Put them together and you have pages of posts trying, and failing, to find flaws in my system, trying and failing to defend the current game of Survivor and its end results. Starting with the random selection of teams, teams that are permanent until merge btw, what you have is more akin to a lucky lottery winner than a player who outlasts and "survives" any test or challenge.

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