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hossc		#141	[-]
Posts: 16805 (07/15/08 9:58 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	She's weak, obviously. Beautiful? If you like them Cindy McCain doppelgangers. yech.
JaniTholeMyDolly		#142	[-]
Posts: 2822 (07/15/08 10:17 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	hossc wrote: She's weak, obviously. Beautiful? If you like them Cindy McCain doppelgangers. yech. Exactly.
Drew B		#143	[-]
Posts: 3465 (07/16/08 12:41 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Is he still in the house? Where was he? Was he avoiding the coloreds and the Orientals and that's why we didn't see him?
mikeocracy		#144	[-]
Posts: 658 (07/16/08 1:57 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	rolandx1 wrote: Why would one minority put down another minority? Just to fit in with the majority? SAD. In no way do I agree with what Steven said, but Ollie, someone from a minority group, put down gay people in a preshow interview. Steven might deserve a hate thread for this, but then so does Ollie. I'm annoyed that I can't find an "Ollie is anti-gay" hate thread. Last Edited By: mikeocracy 07/16/08 2:16 AM. Edited 1 times.
reggierules		#145	[-]
Posts: 1392 (07/16/08 7:42 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm annoyed that I can't find an "Ollie is anti-gay" hate thread. Because that's not the "in minority." But again, despite the fact that Steven was completely wrong in what he said, and very few people are actually defending his words...there is more racism coming from the people in this thread that he ever invoked. Lest we forget GernadeJumper's completely bigot statement about "any white men" having issues with black women of power. I find it a joke that people can say, with a straight face, that racism is wrong and then make a derogatory comment about any group, even if that group is in the majority. What, being in the majority protects you from racism? Bull shite. What annoys me most about people as a rule is hypocrisy. If you feel Steven was out of line in what he said, like I do, fine. This is the thread to invoke that. But then to turn around and make an even more racist statement in response? HYPOCRITE. Go fuck a 2x4 you hypocrite bitches.
GrenadeJumper85		#146	[-]
Posts: 5311 (07/16/08 7:45 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Not a hypocrite, I'm just stating a very prevalent fact that still plagues this society. People still have issues with an assertive, Af-Am female that just completely swoops in and takes charge of a situation. Believe what you want to believe, I don't give a fuck.
reggierules		#147	[-]
Posts: 1393 (07/16/08 7:53 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Not a hypocrite, I'm just stating a very prevalent fact that still plagues this society. People still have issues with an assertive, Af-Am female that just completely swoops in and takes charge of a situation. Believe what you want to believe, I don't give a fuck. You claim Steven calling Libra colored is racist, yet make an all encompassing statement about another race in an derogatory way. Um, last time I checked, that's racism. And, I totally understand your point. When Cirie was on survivor being strategically sound, she had massive amounts of people hating her for it. Didn't you see the polls? constantly at the bottom. Seriously, you may have a point from RACIST white men? But put the qualifier in there if you don't want to be as bad, if not worse, than what you apparently hate in Steven.
Vmeyers		#148	[-]
Posts: 3255 (07/16/08 7:58 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Most generalizations/streotypes are erroneous, but how is GJ's comment more racist that Steve's comments? Who are the other people you're referring to that have more racism coming from them than Steve?
reggierules		#149	[-]
Posts: 1394 (07/16/08 8:04 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Most generalizations/streotypes are erroneous, but how is GJ's comment more racist that Steve's comments? I see a difference in a word, which shouldn't be used, carries a painful and negative connotation, and has the ability to hurt as profound. But not as bad as a generalization about a group of people. One is a label. What GJ did made an assumption about the BEHAVIOR and ACTIONS of an entire race/gender. A word doesn't carry that clout unless people give it power to. So, as far as I'm concerned, that's far more racist than anything Steven did. When Steven starts making connections between LIBRA'S behavior and ALL BLACK PEOPLE, then he will have gone as far as GJ did. But I'm guessing that he knows better.
Vmeyers		#150	[-]
Posts: 3256 (07/16/08 9:45 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	reggierules wrote: Most generalizations/streotypes are erroneous, but how is GJ's comment more racist that Steve's comments? I see a difference in a word, which shouldn't be used, carries a painful and negative connotation, and has the ability to hurt as profound. But not as bad as a generalization about a group of people. One is a label. What GJ did made an assumption about the BEHAVIOR and ACTIONS of an entire race/gender. A word doesn't carry that clout unless people give it power to. So, as far as I'm concerned, that's far more racist than anything Steven did. When Steven starts making connections between LIBRA'S behavior and ALL BLACK PEOPLE, then he will have gone as far as GJ did. But I'm guessing that he knows better. One - you are ignoring all of the generalizations that Steven has made and creating a fiction that he's only used one derogatory word. That's not true. Also, I seriously think you are splitting hairs and your statement indicates a difference without a distinction. Racism is the intolerance of one group based on the stereotypes assigned to the group and/or the idea that other groups are inferior. It manifests itself in several ways - words, insults, generalization, discrimination, etc. Anyone saying that Steven is racist is saying that based on his use of derogatory words (colored girl) and the stereotypical statements he has made (Asians do nails, Mexicans and Blacks get arrested). We don't really know if he's racist, ignorant, or just starting shit, but I certainly can't see how you're saying GJ's one statement is more racist than all of the bullshit that Steven has said. You are entitled to your own opinion, but you aren't entitled to your own facts [/quotebysmartperson] Last Edited By: Vmeyers 07/16/08 10:17 AM. Edited 2 times.
Mellow913		#151	[-]
Posts: 381 (07/16/08 9:57 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GrenadeJumper85 wrote: Not a hypocrite, I'm just stating a very prevalent fact that still plagues this society. People still have issues with an assertive, Af-Am female that just completely swoops in and takes charge of a situation. Believe what you want to believe, I don't give a fuck. I agree with you to a point but the fact is "People still have issues with an assertive female that just completely swoops in and takes charge of a situation. "
xabana		#152	[-]
Posts: 6895 (07/16/08 10:07 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I agree with you to a point but the fact is "People still have issues with an assertive female that just completely swoops in and takes charge of a situation. " I agree with you to a point but the fact is: "People still have issues with someone that just completely swoops in and takes charge of a situation."
SonOfAbraxas		#153	[-]
Posts: 5035 (07/16/08 10:10 AM) BB Forum Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You people are so racist against racists! And as a white gay man, I find that HIGHLY offensive! In fact, I am BANNING the word racist from this forum! You shall know refer to Steven as Different-Race Challenged. You insensitive BASTARDS!
Vmeyers		#154	[-]
Posts: 3257 (07/16/08 10:21 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	xabana wrote: "People still have issues with someone that just completely swoops in and takes charge of a situation." I agree with you to a point, but the fact is: "People still have issues ." Sorry, I wanted to play.
xabana		#155	[-]
Posts: 6896 (07/16/08 10:22 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Nicely done!
Drew B		#156	[-]
Posts: 3470 (07/16/08 12:27 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Anyone saying that Steven is racist is saying that based on his use of derogatory words (colored girl) and the stereotypical statements he has made (Asians do nails, Mexicans and Blacks get arrested).] Even calling that word "derogatory" is assuming facts not in evidence. Politically incorrect? Fine. Insensitive? Fine. Ignorant? Fine. However, for a word to be "derogatory", there needs to be negative intent from the speaker. The simple fact that the recipient has decided that the name is no longer desirable is not enough to make its usage derogatory... Last Edited By: Drew B 07/16/08 1:39 PM. Edited 1 times.
Vmeyers		#157	[-]
Posts: 3258 (07/16/08 12:53 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yeah - I get it - you know someone who likes to be called that "colored" person or somesuch. However my post was referencing people who find him racist and why. The people saying that he is racist consider the use of the word derogatory coming from Steven. That is their opinion - right or wrong. That is how they perceive the word - they are imputing intent based on the context, user and pattern of behavior. I've already stated that we don't know for sure what his true motivation was, but I was describing what the accusers were listing as reasons why they think he was racist. There's a lot of stuff that may in fact be false. He may have meant it positively or descriptively and he may harbor no negative feelings with any ethnic or racial groups at all. There are words that are considered derogatory only when used a certain way (boy, chick) and othe words that are considered derogatory on the surface that have been used in non-derogatory ways (N-word, f*ggot) - so I believe that context is the key. I also think they you will find many opinions on the distinctions. I don't agree that whether a word is perceived as derogatory rest soley on the stated intention of the user.
SimplyKimberly		#158	[-]
Posts: 3949 (07/16/08 12:57 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SonOfAbraxas wrote: In fact, I am BANNING the word racist from this forum! Please do. If t.ears got banned, then racist has surely worn out its welcome.
Vmeyers		#159	[-]
Posts: 3260 (07/16/08 1:02 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite
xabana		#160	[-]
Posts: 6900 (07/16/08 1:06 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I agree with Vmeyers. You don't need intent for a word to be derogatory. It really goes to the effect on the recipient. When kids say "that's so gay" to something they perceive as stupid or dumb, that's derogatory. But they most likely didn't intend for it to be mean and bigoted. It's just part of their vernacular. It's still derogatory, though.

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