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How much money has each player earned? |
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Rather than looking for hidden clues that may or may not mean anything, I was wondering if we could figure out how much money each of the final players had
added to the pot. This will help see who has really contributed and we can then cross them of the list as the mole. Has anybody kept track of that?
Last Edited By: noclue 07/11/08 9:25 AM.
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Pulau Tiga |
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Normally, I wouldn't invest any time into trying to find an objective means of identifying our Mole. After all, there are no hard-and-fast rules the saboteur has to play by (if there were, it'd be much easier to track him or her down). But now that Kristen is gone, I'm at a loss as to who the Mole really is, so I'm desperate enough to try just about anything. Over the Falls
Race to the Summit
When Pigs Fly
Alex - $28,000 out of $44,000 (team)
Fruit of the Luge
Dress Code
Midas Rush
Who Said That
All for One
Travelers
Total
Clearly Nicole has made the least money of anyone in the group, but she's also had the fewest opportunities to make money. It might be more accurate to analyze it in terms of what opportunities these players have really had to contribute to the pot, in which case you need to look at the percentages each player has contributed, based on the money it's been possible for them to rack in: Alex - 35.39%
Here's what this says to me. Mark is definitely not our Mole. He's made by far the most money of anyone in the game, and he
hasn't had as many opportunities to make that money as half of these chumps have. Alex has actually made less of his opportunities than two other players
in the game, but the fact of the matter is that he's made the most money besides Mark, and he's just looking like a very strong contribution to the pot
at this point. Paul is looking strong too, but he's added less money to the pot than the other contributors (I'm not counting either Nicole or Craig as
"contributors"), so he's still in contention to be the Mole, in my opinion.
I'm glad I did this, because now I can be pretty damn positive Mark is not the Mole (not that I thought he could be anyway), and I can keep a closer watch on Clay, who I hadn't noticed sabotaging the pot as much as he actually has. |
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That's a nice effort. I think it's nearly impossible to create an objective ledger of the players' contributions to the pot, since people always
incorporate their own biases into what actions made or lost money.. What an objective list can't manage to do is take into account the subjective
arguments for what constitutes an honest effort to add money and what is sabotage. Suspecting Alex as I do, I see his contribution in the pigs fly mission as
entirely negative. I would go so far as to say that every other participant in that mission either made, or didn't lose, money. If he is the mole, that
is certainly the case.
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This brings up a good question. What if Mark is the Mole? What does that say for him and even more importantly, for the game?
Granted, we are only roughly half way through and the numbers PT awesomely posted are going to change, but it's possible they won''t. Is the game then a complete failure if the Mole brought home the bacon more than he/she should have? Where's your cut off point? |
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The way I see it, Mark got 15k out of 25k on the first challenge. It doesn't matter if he wasn't given the items. The fact is, he didn't need to
sabotage too much because Paul/Ali sucked at the timer and the scavengers weren't finding the items.
In "When Pigs Fly," Mark may not have lost money in the launching, but he caused his group to arrive late, and then he tried to get the group to just fling pigs, not caring if they survived or not, just so they wouldn't have leftover pigs. Dress Code, he didn't even try. Midas Rush, Mark cost his group $1000 by dropping the gold bricks. Travellers, he was the first to drop out and say he wouldn't do it. He's a competitive person by nature, but he's lost some money. The fact is, the amount he's earned is still not all that great. 42%? That's not a lot. |
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Pulau Tiga |
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hotchiemothcie wrote:I agree. Like I said, under normal circumstances, I wouldn't bother, but now that my leading Mole candidates are all gone, I'm willing to turn to anything to try to figure this out. This brings up a good question. What if Mark is the Mole? What does that say for him and even more importantly, for the game?I think Mark has made a lot of proactive moves to earn money where he needn't have. If he's the Mole, I think someone involved in production needs to let him know that he's been far too productive thus far, and needs to start tanking these tasks quickly. Because in my opinion, there may be no real guidelines for the Mole to follow, but they should not be the most beneficial player on the team when everything's said and done. That just goes against the spirit of the game. If this show wraps up and Mark is our Mole having done what he's done, I think the set-up will have been a bit of a failure and completely unfair for the players involved. The way I see it, Mark got 15k out of 25k on the first challenge. It doesn't matter if he wasn't given the items. The fact is, he didn't need to sabotage too much because Paul/Ali sucked at the timer and the scavengers weren't finding the items.Mark earned 15K out of 15K because there was no possible way for him to make more than 15K for the group. I did not factor in parts of tasks where money was available if the players did not participate in it. In my humble opinion, it's the Mole's job to sabotage the tasks he's involved in, not to simply sit back and let the other players sink their own ship. Sure, if a lot of failure is occurring, maybe the Mole can take a day off and let things transpire without his direct interference. But in general, that's not the game he's supposed to be playing. In "When Pigs Fly," Mark may not have lost money in the launching, but he caused his group to arrive late, and then he tried to get the group to just fling pigs, not caring if they survived or not, just so they wouldn't have leftover pigs.Mark's group arrived after the other two, but it was early enough to shoot off all the pigs his group brought back. And honestly, I agreed with him on how stupid it would have been to have any pigs left over when the shooting was done. He's a competitive person by nature, but he's lost some money.Absolutely. They all have. It's rare when you get a player in this game who goes far without having screwed things up several times over the course of the season (Erik von Detten and maybe Bribs are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head). 42%? That's not a lot.No, but that 42% figure is attributing an awful lot of possible money-earning to him. I mean, I'm saying he could have made a possible $25,000 on the Midas Rush task, but really, it would have been close to impossible to carry that many bricks. And besides, our past pots have generally been a little over 50% of the total possible pot value, right? And that's with the late-game tasks factored in, where there are a lot of easy opportunities to earn large sums of money. So Mark isn't really that far off from what's normally expected of a Mole player. What he's far off from is what's expected of the Mole himself. |
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Great job | ||
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PT - Thanks for posting all that data. I had been leaning towards Clay but didn't know why. It was just a hunch. Now I have some good objective criteria to point to. Great work. |
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Latuki Joe.losttheunoffica... |
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For the record (*spoilers to previous seasons of the mole*)-
Alan from the Australia Mole 1 put more money in the pot than anyone else in his season. And Tanya from UK Mole 2 was responsible for the two biggest contributions to the pot and still came close to putting the most in the pot. Even in both previous non-Celebrity US Mole seasons, didn't the moles still contribute quite a bit? I recall that Kathryn was instructed to do so, actually, although the guys kept causing them to lose money anyhow. Anyhow, I think you'd be better off adding up how much money each player has... "not earned." |
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