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craig		#1821	[-]
Posts: 13436 (07/11/08 6:50 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Cirie was open to working with YM and Eliza, but the presence of Jonathan ruined it. Maybe PG would have had a problem with him too. He's lot more abrasive than James. When I saw the cast list, I was hoping for a women's alliance that would boot the weak but dangerous mastermind guys early and work with the strong Ozzy\James who are easier to outwit postmerge. Parv and Cirie executed that gameplan perfectly, too bad Eliza didn't join them. JAYE was a perfect vehicle for Jonathan to either dominate or ruin another season. Take out Parv plus one of Amanda\Cirie and basically Jonathan\Yao are the pair with most control. I hardly see Eliza\Ami working much with Ozzy\James. Last Edited By: craig 07/11/08 6:56 PM. Edited 2 times.
chapera rocks		#1822	[-]
Posts: 9280 (07/11/08 7:09 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But Yau-Man was most loyal to Cirie. I think Cirie would have stuck with JAYE if Yau didn't break her trust (which he did inadvertently). Re: Peih-Gee, the reason I think she would have allied with James is because in her post-show interviews, she spoke highly of him and didn't know he had issues with her. She thought they'd fight and then get over it two seconds later. So I have no doubt she would have wanted to work with him in some way. Whether it was joining him/Parv/Ozzy, or joining JAYE (more compatible with her I think) and looking out for James on the side. I don't think she'd have had an issue with Jonathan either, since he wasn't really abrasive in S16, Most people loved him.
craig		#1823	[-]
Posts: 13437 (07/11/08 7:20 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Remember, PG loved Jaime and they took down the wannabe alpha male tribe leader. And Parvati would be turning on the charm. Mirconesia would be PERFECT if we could just reverse Eliza and Amanda's positions.
ncassaro		#1824	[-]
Posts: 16 (07/11/08 9:20 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	craig wrote: Cirie was open to working with YM and Eliza, but the presence of Jonathan ruined it. Maybe PG would have had a problem with him too. He's lot more abrasive than James. When I saw the cast list, I was hoping for a women's alliance that would boot the weak but dangerous mastermind guys early and work with the strong Ozzy\James who are easier to outwit postmerge. Parv and Cirie executed that gameplan perfectly, too bad Eliza didn't join them. JAYE was a perfect vehicle for Jonathan to either dominate or ruin another season. Take out Parv plus one of Amanda\Cirie and basically Jonathan\Yao are the pair with most control. I hardly see Eliza\Ami working much with Ozzy\James. Keep in mind that AMI, not Jonathan, was the founder of JAYE. At the time, Cirie's decision to go with the couples upset me, but logically it was the right decision for her to make. She was #5 in JAYE, whereas she was #3 in the couples. Anyway, Eliza's game didn't have to end after JAYE crumbled. I think Eliza's game would have lasted longer had she been on Malakal with Ami. Tracy has said that she regrets choosing Cirie instead of Eliza. Last Edited By: ncassaro 07/11/08 9:25 PM. Edited 1 times.
kishuu		#1825	[-]
Posts: 127 (07/11/08 9:48 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	er... iirc, Ami & Eliza offered her final 3 as said in here before. logically, if she went with JAYE, she had a better chance as the most physical competitors out of the group were Ami and Eliza (despite what they say about her, she won a crapload of challenges in Vanuatu and almost single handedly won most of nuAirai's challenges). Cirie had a better chance than against challenge whore Ozzy and the physically strong James, as well as Manhanda who was the strongest female in the game (or so it seemed). if Eliza was on Malakal with Ami, I'm sure we wouldn't have Amanda or Ozzy in the merge (if malakal did lose challenges).
chapera rocks		#1826	[-]
Posts: 9282 (07/11/08 10:36 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Right, but Cirie was in a good position no matter which side she chose. It's just that she lost her trust in Yau-Man, and she couldn't rely on Jonathan's word. She knew she'd have a good shot to beat Parvati and Amanda in the finals. Against Yau? Maybe not so much, and once he lost her trust, there was no point in staying with him.
Mister Plum		#1827	[-]
Posts: 2969 (07/11/08 11:02 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Mister Plum wrote: Mister Plum wrote: Eliza, I have a question. During the Final Tribal Council in Micronesia, I am just wondering if the jury voted for once coz there really is a big chance of having a tie? I just figured that that might be the reason why there cannot be a tie on the final TC especially when there's an even number of jury or there are Final 3.
The Very Insane Shark		#1828	[-]
Posts: 3659 (07/11/08 11:21 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Right, but Cirie was in a good position no matter which side she chose. It's just that she lost her trust in Yau-Man, and she couldn't rely on Jonathan's word. She knew she'd have a good shot to beat Parvati and Amanda in the finals. Against Yau? Maybe not so much, and once he lost her trust, there was no point in staying with him. I remember hearing somewhere that Yau-Man was at the top of Cirie's hitlist right from the get-go.
chapera rocks		#1829	[-]
Posts: 9284 (07/11/08 11:41 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I dunno, but I have read Cirie interviews ... and she said that she was willing to share the idol with Yau and work as a team like he and Earl did, but once he suggested that Jonathan go to exile, she thought he betrayed her and his trust was lost completely.
craig		#1830	[-]
Posts: 13443 (07/12/08 8:51 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Cirie didn't want to work witrh Jonathan, and once she saw that YM was more loyal to Jonathan than to her, that was the kiss of death. She went with the young chicks. I think Cirie thought Parvmanda's offer of F3 was more believable than Eliza\Ami's, because Ozzy\James were obvious popualrity threats but Jonathan seemed to have goat potential (though probably would be a "false goat" like Parv because he had mastermind cred). Suppose there is an Eliza\Ami\Jonathan\Cirie F4 and Eliza wins imminity. Who do you suppose goes home? Popular and persuasive jury threat Cirie? Or a guy view by many as obnoxious, who has much in common with Eliza and who she alligned with before Cirie?
iluvbigbrothersofun.jenjohnsonfansite		#1831	[-]
Posts: 31 (07/12/08 3:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think the bottom line is Cirie saw it as: 1-3 (not in order): Ami, Jonathan, Eliza. With Cirie being 4th on the totem pole and Yau Man 5th on the totem pole of that alliance. Not sure why Cirie thought she is definitely less popular than Yau Man. Obviously on the other alliance it would be: 1. Amanda 2-3: (not in order) Parvati, Cirie. 4-5 (not in order): Ozzy, James. Cirie should have acted like a bitch the whole season. Then maybe she would have been dragged along to the F2, and then she could attempt her eloquent speaking style. That would be better than finishing 3rd.
MJSLawrence		#1832	[-]
Posts: 1295 (07/12/08 4:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yea I definitely saw her Yau ouster as an act of insecurity...she seemed worried about Yau's popularity in comparison to hers and got carried away with it... Eliza...they just never showed you fighting to keep Cirie on your side...we definitely saw Cirie cover your back tho, defying everyone who wanted you out and making sure it was Yau...so you must've had SOME sort of secret alliance...where did that go in the merge? Did you talk to her?? I'm sure you did...
ribald2008		#1833	[-]
Posts: 402 (07/12/08 5:50 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yau Man was in trouble when Jeff Probst called him out for being popular
ncassaro		#1834	[-]
Posts: 17 (07/12/08 10:12 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	kishuu wrote: er... iirc, Ami & Eliza offered her final 3 as said in here before. logically, if she went with JAYE, she had a better chance as the most physical competitors out of the group were Ami and Eliza (despite what they say about her, she won a crapload of challenges in Vanuatu and almost single handedly won most of nuAirai's challenges). Cirie had a better chance than against challenge whore Ozzy and the physically strong James, as well as Manhanda who was the strongest female in the game (or so it seemed). if Eliza was on Malakal with Ami, I'm sure we wouldn't have Amanda or Ozzy in the merge (if malakal did lose challenges). But I think that Cirie realized that Ami/Eliza/Jonathan/Yau-Man were certainly all more intelligent than Amanda/Parvati/Ozzy/James. I think that the couples' awful game play of openly coupling up, which would spell disaster in any other season, made Cirie want to go with them since she felt it would make them easier to get out later.
ncassaro		#1835	[-]
Posts: 18 (07/12/08 10:15 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	iluvbigbrothersofun wrote: I think the bottom line is Cirie saw it as: 1-3 (not in order): Ami, Jonathan, Eliza. With Cirie being 4th on the totem pole and Yau Man 5th on the totem pole of that alliance. Not sure why Cirie thought she is definitely less popular than Yau Man. Obviously on the other alliance it would be: 1. Amanda 2-3: (not in order) Parvati, Cirie. 4-5 (not in order): Ozzy, James. Cirie should have acted like a bitch the whole season. Then maybe she would have been dragged along to the F2, and then she could attempt her eloquent speaking style. That would be better than finishing 3rd. She didn't know there was gonna be a final 2. And IMO, if Natalie had made F3 instead of Cirie, there would have been F3.
chapera rocks		#1836	[-]
Posts: 9305 (07/12/08 11:10 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ncassaro wrote: iluvbigbrothersofun wrote: I think the bottom line is Cirie saw it as: 1-3 (not in order): Ami, Jonathan, Eliza. With Cirie being 4th on the totem pole and Yau Man 5th on the totem pole of that alliance. Not sure why Cirie thought she is definitely less popular than Yau Man. Obviously on the other alliance it would be: 1. Amanda 2-3: (not in order) Parvati, Cirie. 4-5 (not in order): Ozzy, James. Cirie should have acted like a bitch the whole season. Then maybe she would have been dragged along to the F2, and then she could attempt her eloquent speaking style. That would be better than finishing 3rd. She didn't know there was gonna be a final 2. And IMO, if Natalie had made F3 instead of Cirie, there would have been F3. They wouldn't risk being accused of a rigging though. It was a final 3 until James hurt his finger. Which sucks. But it was good luck for Parvati, bad luck for Cirie. I wonder if Parvmanda took Natalie to the final 3 and it was a final 3, what the votes would have been? Eliza - PARVATI? Ozzy - AMANDA. Jason - PARVATI. James - AMANDA. Alexis - NATALIE. Erik - AMANDA? Cirie - PARVATI? Eliza I think would vote Parv, but maybe Nat? Eliza, could you tell us? :P Erik probably would have voted Amanda, but then again Natalie did fool him and he might have liked the gameplay. Cirie again, probably Parvati, slight chance of Natalie.
PanamanianDevil		#1837	[-]
Posts: 140 (07/12/08 11:32 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Eliza <3
contrarian68		#1838	[-]
Posts: 7 (07/13/08 5:13 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Eliza was awesome in both her seasons. What a smart and adorable girl.
iluvbigbrothersofun.jenjohnsonfansite		#1839	[-]
Posts: 36 (07/13/08 7:13 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If James and Ozzy had a clue, they should have formed an alliance with Cirie and Yau Man right away.
oldfirmie		#1840	[-]
Posts: 1 (07/13/08 8:53 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Why did James have anything to do with F2? IMO, they wanted the "story" of Amanda/Parvati, hence F2. I think the most interesting scenario is what if they had done F3 with Parv/Amanda/Cirie? Eliza- Cirie Ozzy- Amanda Jason- Cirie? James- Amanda Alexis- Cirie Erik- Amanda Natalie- Parvati 3-3-1. If Natalie gets to re-vote, Cirie wins 4-3 I would think.

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