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itsakat |
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confirmed: xabana = bleeding-heart Colombian dirtbag defender
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unkle greggo |
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xabana wrote: Law in Texas allows you to use lethal force to protect property. It's the Castle Law, and it's relatively new. |
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McWolcott |
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They should have been standing in front of a convenience store waiting for day labor like most of our good illegals do here in Texas.
They overstepped their boundaries. |
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Powers |
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xabana wrote: It's OK to commit a crime that warrants the use of deadly force in Texas as long as I keep my back turned the entire time? Good to know.
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Sloansalad |
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I'm also OK with you committing crimes with a bag over your head, but back turning is good too.
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Eurytol |
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Like how President Bush TURNED HIS BACK ON AMERICA, am I right?
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Powers |
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Right. According to Xabana, Bush shouldn't be criticized because he had his back turned the entire time.
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PAPAYOKE |
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Well, it's like the song says: "how you gonna do it if you really don't wanna dance, by standing on the wall. GETCHA BACK UP OFF DA WALL!"
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xabana |
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Huh, I was just giving you the argument. I didn't say I agreed with it.
It's not like I know all the facts. Fat Texans do. Shooting the burglars in the back kept them from having to run and risk heart attack from the combined stress of running and confronting burglars.And |
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Powers |
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I see you're operating under the ego bloated assumption that people care enough about your opinion that you can comment without knowledge of the subject
matter. Kudos.
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unkle greggo |
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Powers wrote: Well damn, doesn't that sum up the point of OT? |
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xabana |
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What I wrote is a legitimate argument used by prosecutors in cases where someone is shot in the back, you douchebag, asstard, parlour-boy, ladyfingered
mantroll.
In this case, the fat-assed Texan took the law into his own hands as he was defending someone else's property and there is no evidence that he was told to be the caretaker for his neighbor nor that he was in any imminent danger of bodily harm. HOWEVER, these criminals were repeat offenders, so do we really want to go by the "letter of the law" to put someone in jail where two lowlifes are now no longer able to terrorize peaceful citizens? That's the dilemma and, frankly, although I hate that motherfucker fat-assed Texan and don't want someone like him to take the law into his own hands, those two offenders WERE burglarizing property and would probably do it again, maybe even killing people...so, I err on the side of letting him go. |
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Powers |
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No, it's not a legitimate argument when Texas law gives you the legal right to use deadly force to protect property. On top of that, the criminals were on
his property making their getaway when he shot at them.
Don't get me wrong, while your flip flopping on your opinion is cute, surely you agree that your initial outburst about getting shot in the back being inappropriate was kinda silly, no? |
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xabana |
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No, that is the argument against him.
One prong of the statute that the prosecutor could have used against him the most is: (3) he reasonably believes that: (A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or (B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. If someone is fleeing the scene, the land can be protected by other means - letting the guys run away. For (B), obviously, he was in no danger of serious bodily injury as they were running away from him. These are the arguments to be made in defense of the "letter of the law." But, like I said, two lowlifes are gone. Jury nullification works sometimes (or a prosecutor realizing it's not worth pressing the case). |
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Powers |
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You are making the assumption that the criminals were not running back into the house that they had just burglarized.
That said, you're ignoring the fact that protection of property is a crime that may be met with lethal force in Texas. |
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leeter |
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xabana wrote: That's why the Albertan jury voted Guilty on the third go-round. It's not self-defense if you can reasonably get away -- well, that's the way the Criminal Code reads up here. If no texas jury will convict those who shoot others in the back...then it becomes de-facto legal, doesn't?
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xabana |
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I am just going to assume you are being purposefully obtuse, Powers.
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xabana |
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If no texas jury will convict those who shoot others in the back...then it becomes de-facto legal, doesn't? Well, I see what you are saying - but not really. Who knows how another jury will rule given a similar set of facts. Or a "more capable"
prosecutor will argue his/her case, etc. The law is still the law and the justification still must be met based on all the facts.
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Powers |
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Fine. I'll assume you are being ignorant to prove some kind of misguided point.
Which reminds me, which side of this issue are you on again? You're flip flopping more than a suffocating flounder. |
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Buggles73 |
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He originally told cops that they "lunged" at him yet he shot them both in the back,lol.
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