I was asking for examples of strong players who got early boots based on "We gotta get rid of him now while he's vulnerable." Which you claim
happens all the time, but has never happened. But thanks for avoiding that request yet again.
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An idea to improve Survivor so that weaklings dont comprise the finals
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Posts: 139 (06/26/08 6:47 PM) |
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Posts: 103 (06/27/08 9:43 AM) |
doc wrote: Everyone was strong compared to Kathy and Chet...unless you think they were the strong ones |
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Posts: 4958 (06/27/08 9:56 AM) |
Right, so because Mary wasn't Kathy or Chet, she was a physical GODDESS, right? If I recall, they won the next team challenge which involved basketball, which Kathy and Chet were both capable of handling. And when Mikey got booted, if I recall correctly, Kathy and Chet had absolutely nothing to do with either of that episode's losses, given that they weren't even competing in the challenges. And Joel? Well, Joel was an asshole, and they booted him because of that, not his strength. Why don't you go back just two seasons and try to make your case, given that the final ten consisted of an athletic rock-climber, five strong, young guys, a relatively strong young girl, a strong older guy that everyone loved, a smart and strategic older guy, and Cassandra. Cassandra is the only one of the top ten in Fiji that could be considered "weak" and yet Fiji had some of the lowest ratings ever. Probably because people don't like seeing asshole Alpha males win everything like you do, dummy. |
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Posts: 144 (06/27/08 9:59 AM) |
Artie, reread my post, let it stew in your pea-sized brain. I don't know how clearer I can make it.
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Posts: 111 (06/27/08 10:28 AM) |
It doesn't matter what your post says, this is artie's ego thread. He will keep making senseless arguments with any posters to keep it alive.
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doc |
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Posts: 145 (06/27/08 10:38 AM) |
I know, and I know it does no good. I can't stop, it's an obsession.
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tubecam |
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Posts: 114 (06/27/08 10:43 AM) |
I know, i got in twice.
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ArtieeLange |
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Posts: 104 (06/27/08 9:56 PM) |
Kitty Pryde1 wrote: The "Teams keep strong players around to win challenges!!1" theory? Owned.
Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Already went over this, your memory is as poor as your "logic".
Dreamz, Cassandra, Earl in the finale. Not one but three reasons for low ratings.
1) Everyone knew Earl would win (unanimous)
2) Players all belonged to similar demographic 3) Cassandra = weak, Dreamz = stupid, both = undeserving. Which brings us to the deserving Earl, which brings us to 1) |
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Posts: 147 (06/27/08 10:59 PM) |
Mickey B's boot had nothing to do with "Let's get him out now, because it will be tougher after the merge. " It was because Joel has a tiny
brain, and Tracy convinced him that MB was taking over the tribe. Joel's boot was because it was after the switch and he landed on the wrong team
(Ozzy's)and Cirie was in danger and pointed everyone in Joel's direction. But notice what happens, they lose the next 3 challenges, always happens.
If you want to go back through history, Silas and Aaron wind up on the wrong tribe. China Dave was a nutcase and his tribe thought he might switch. Hunter
was the victim of a power struggle with Boston Rob. Burton wanting to throw the challenge got him booted. The Lopevi alphas was because Chris was trying to
save himself and convinced the Fat Five it was a good move (turned out it really wasn't). Kel was Jerri's victim, and an outsider. Think that's
it. But there's nothing like you claim that always happens. Reasons for boots, mostly self preservation or personal conflicts.
And you're full of shit on Fiji ratings. The final 3 wasn't set until about 45 minutes into the Finale, until Dreamz screws Yau Man, who should be a draw and who everyone thinks will win if he makes the F3 (so you can't saying going in we knew Earl was going to win). Finale ratings should be up at least at the start. But they're already down, the season is a disaster ratings down 3 mil, because of annoying alpha males like Dreamz and Rocky and boring alpha males like Earl and Edgardo. Even Yau Man couldn't save the season. |
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Posts: 585 (06/28/08 12:50 AM) Registered user |
You can't say something always happens on Survivor because every season has different people and different situations. In general, people keep the
strong ones on to win challenges until the individual portion where the strong ones get picked off so they won't win every immunity. It is boring
to see some "strong" asshole like Tom or Terry win every single god damn immunity and the so called "losers" are the smart ones for getting
the immunity threats out of the way when they get a chance.
Now why don't you just shut the hell up and go back to watching your fucking MTV? |
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Posts: 105 (06/28/08 2:11 PM) |
doc wrote: Good point, since under the current system, the team-phase is the only opportunity for losers to get rid of threats = self-preservation. As a strategy it has gradually gained acceptance by the players until now its near-universal, resulting in weaker and weaker finals (and lower and lower ratings). By the time strength matters, post-merge, it has already been systematically weeded out. Hells Kitchen is just the opposite. Only the best are in the finals, because they are selected by a leader. This system works.
RW/RR is also the opposite. Only the best get through, because the players determine their own fate. This system works.
Survivor does neither, it instead relies on the mob opinon, invariably the mobbed up weaklings. This system no longer works. It fails. The game is broke. It
needs to be fixed.
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Posts: 376 (06/28/08 2:39 PM) Registered user |
ArtieeLange wrote: Team Phase = Weeding out the weak players (JFP, Yau, Kathy, Chet, Tracy)
Finals =Average players (Parvati, Amanda, Natalie) I think you need to rename the thread "An idea to improve Survivor so that alpha males comprise the finals" Survivor isn't about the Challenges, it's a Social game more than anything. BTW can you prove that the ratings are low due to weaklings in the Finals? I always assumed the ratings kept decreasing becuase the contestants aren't interesting, and the fact it has been on for 16 seasons. |
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Posts: 150 (06/28/08 6:48 PM) |
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Posts: 1135 (06/28/08 8:09 PM) |
ArtieeLange wrote: 1) Explain how Bonnie or Virginia are the best. Yes, the more competent finalist won, but that's like saying Fiji worked because Earl won over Dreamz/Cassandra. 2) The RW/RR challenges are A) almost always influenced by pre-game relationships and the "cut the fat" strategy which, if in a challenge where elimination battles are intra-team, rests a player's entire fate in the potential for them to run and lift heavy things and B) consist of endgames which reward having fewer players, downplaying the need for teams to win challenges. If you find no problem with this, then kindly cut the bullshit and3) Because of course, if you're strong enough, then you don't have to be a complete dick to people. Right. 
4) Regarding Fiji, your (1) was an editing decision (probably based on how shitty the characters were), (2) is just plain racist given how final episodes have had similar demographics both before and after (3 older white people in Borneo and Thailand, 3 younger white people in China). If you would like a F3 with differing demographics, then plan for more diversity in casts (which *gasp* yet again references the need for better casting) and (3) is odd, considering how people in the RW/RR challenges have *won* despite being both stupid and coattail riders. 5) Considering that only one person wins, self-preservation should be near-universal unless you're planning on pulling morality-tinged bullshit (which, granted, tends to occur). 6) At some point I'm gonna have to rank the RW/RR challenge whores. Do not be surprised when Katie and Coral land at or near numbers 1 and 2.
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Posts: 106 (06/29/08 4:38 AM) |
SFC wrote: Damn can you be any more sexist
If you think only men can be the alphas, then have two winners: physical, and intellectual/social.
The only thing Parv and Re-Todd represent are the failure of the game called "Survivor."
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Posts: 2107 (06/29/08 5:23 AM) Registered User |
omg OMG OMG OMG GO AWAY
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Posts: 4964 (06/29/08 10:53 AM) |
Actually, Parvati and Todd represent the intellectual/social aspects of Survivor, which you've made quite clear you don't think should exist or EVER
triumph over brute strength, given that you reference a show on MTV as an example of good television. You state that Dreamz was an idiot, yet under your
system, he would fare similarly, given that your system rewards the strong, regardless of their level of intellect. You also seem to have a problem with Joel
getting outlasted by Chet, when Joel was also "an idiot" given that he was the reason Chet survived through three tribal councils. Your points are
flawed and hypocritical and you're wrong. Now get the fuck outta here.
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Posts: 1 (06/29/08 1:14 PM) |
I think Todd is one of the most overrated winners of all time. His competitors were horrible strategists. His win is comparable to Hatch's in terms of the
lack of competition. Parvati's win was more impressive...only half of the cast were idiots for her win. She got a bit lucky with the injuries to Penner and
James.
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Posts: 8907 (06/29/08 11:57 PM) Registered user |
Parvati's win is slightly more impressive than Todd but not by much.
Fans are nothing more than glorified cannon fodders. |
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Posts: 107 (06/30/08 3:00 AM) |
Kitty Pryde1 wrote: You still haven't realized that challenges vary between puzzles, dexterity, balance, memory, endurance....and yet you think you can figure out how systems would play out and how players would react, you think you can understand the cause-effect and can predict results with any degree of certainty? You?
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