5/29/08 S4 Finale "There's No Place Like Home, Parts 2 & 3"

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GodIsAnAtheist		#641	[-]
Posts: 4049 (06/05/08 2:49 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Fluffynurse wrote: Ben wasn't leaving the island forever. He's been coming & going at will for ages so what makes you think the wheel turning changed that? The fact that he said it did, lol.
Screerider		#642	[-]
Posts: 21832 (06/05/08 3:15 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Much like the Island making previous vistiors unable to die, Ben will also similarly be unable to return to the Island. Any and all attempts will result in misfires, distractions, brick walls, etc. Though I wonder if he can now die.
GodIsAnAtheist		#643	[-]
Posts: 4062 (06/05/08 3:47 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Screerider wrote: Much like the Island making previous vistiors unable to die, Ben will also similarly be unable to return to the Island. Any and all attempts will result in misfires, distractions, brick walls, etc. Though I wonder if he can now die. The only caveat to that is that it's almost a forgone conclusion that the O6 will eventually get back to the island. We KNOW they can't do it alone (ie. without Ben's help), so that makes me wonder if he will indeed get back, regardless of what the status quo has been regarding turning the FDW.
phantomkp		#644	[-]
Posts: 331 (06/05/08 3:48 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Fluffynurse wrote: Ben wasn't leaving the island forever. He's been coming & going at will for ages so what makes you think the wheel turning changed that? Cause the island "moved" when he turned the wheel? How could he find it on his own now? Does anyone else think Widmore turned the wheel once before too...? ;)
phantomkp		#645	[-]
Posts: 332 (06/05/08 3:51 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GodIsAnAtheist wrote: Yeah, I thought he was just apologizing for shooting him and making him kill his dad. Seems reason enough to me to make a sincere apology. From Ben? Naw...needs to be much more than that to get a sincere apology. I still think Ben thinks those 2 things were necessary. And i definitely dont believe Ben nor Locke feel bad about Locke's supposed dad dying. Its gotta be more than that.
phantomkp		#646	[-]
Posts: 333 (06/05/08 3:53 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	chidelta wrote: Ben's statement could also be interpreted as an apology for the misery and stress that is bound to fall upon Locke as the new chosen one on the island. Although Ben has spent his life trying to protect the island, and continued fighting for it to the end, he also (eventually) accepted the inevitability of his situation. I would expect his knowing that he was leaving gave him a sense of sadness, but possibly a little relief as well that his role as leader and manipulator of the masses was coming to a close on the island, and maybe entering a new chapter off the island of controlling a different and more important game. His passing of the torch came with an apology for a reason. Thats an interesting thought...but Ben's comment was definitely rooted in the past tense. If it was about Locke's future as the leader, he would have said "for the misery i caused you" I know its a small, picky thing..but i think these writers choose their words carefully...especially when it comes to cryptic lines like these to plant seeds for huge reveals later on in the show.
phantomkp		#647	[-]
Posts: 334 (06/05/08 3:56 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GodIsAnAtheist wrote: Screerider wrote: Much like the Island making previous vistiors unable to die, Ben will also similarly be unable to return to the Island. Any and all attempts will result in misfires, distractions, brick walls, etc. Though I wonder if he can now die. The only caveat to that is that it's almost a forgone conclusion that the O6 will eventually get back to the island. We KNOW they can't do it alone (ie. without Ben's help), so that makes me wonder if he will indeed get back, regardless of what the status quo has been regarding turning the FDW. Im now thinking this is Ben's big plan for himself now. Ben cant find the island again on his own (much like Widmore). But Ben knows the island wants the O6 back. Jack cant find the island on his own, no matter how many plane rides over the ocean he takes. Ben knows that when you get the O6 together, the island will try very hard to draw them back again. All Ben has to do now is be with them when that happens ;) thats his ticket back!
GodIsAnAtheist		#648	[-]
Posts: 4063 (06/05/08 3:59 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Bruh, you only need to post one time. Edit your posts if you can't figure out how to insert multiple quotes into the same post.
phantomkp		#649	[-]
Posts: 335 (06/05/08 4:14 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Nah, its easier for me to respond to a post as i read. :) Its easier for you to skip any of my posts that arent addressed to you. ;) One huge,messy post, or four smaller, concise posts...its not that big of a deal.
WiscBadger95		#650	[-]
Posts: 11347 (06/05/08 4:15 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	phantomkp wrote: Does anyone else think Widmore turned the wheel once before too...? ;) Yep. Wonder where it dumped him off.
cindidindi76		#651	[-]
Posts: 10858 (06/05/08 5:30 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I love the "if you don't like it, don't read it" defense. So much. And i definitely dont believe Ben nor Locke feel bad about Locke's supposed dad dying. Its gotta be more than that. Mark this date down, ladies and gentlemen. I actually agree with phantom. It is a rare occurrence indeed.
Fluffynurse		#652	[-]
Posts: 13720 (06/06/08 12:38 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Richard seems to be ageless so I can assume he has the ability to come to & go off the island even after it's been moved. I think Ben has the same ability. eta: I don't mind phantom's commando posting style (at least it's easy to follow) but I do cringe when someone says if you don't like it - don't read it. Last Edited By: Fluffynurse 06/06/08 12:42 AM. Edited 1 times.
pussycow		#653	[-]
Posts: 2362 (06/06/08 8:17 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Fluffynurse wrote: eta: I don't mind phantom's commando posting style (at least it's easy to follow) but I do cringe when someone says if you don't like it - don't read it. Well, if you don't like it when someone says "if you don't like it, don't read it", then don't read it when someone says it! DUH!
taurussun		#654	[-]
Posts: 10 (06/06/08 8:29 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Fluffynurse wrote: I thought Ben's apology to Locke was significant too. Ben must have been somehow responsible for all of Locke's misery throughout his life. But how was Locke to know that & why did Ben bother apologizing? I suppose it might have been only to ease his own conscious but Ben hasn't shown much of a conscious so far. (Except when Alex died.) Locke wouldn't know it, yet. Now that Locke is in the Ben Chair, and may be able to go to/from the island with Richard's instruction, he may figure out all sorts of interesting things from the past -- especially with Richard as a player in Locke's childhood. I'm thinking that Ben would apologize because Ben may need Locke (even with FF coffin scene in mind) to get back to the island. Could also be an apology out of respect now that Locke hears Jacob. phantomkp wrote: Was totally hit by the same line when i watched it...i even made a post about it earlier in this thread? Thanks, Phantom, and sorry for the oversight. Prolly didn't do my due diligence on former post reading before I jumped in and shot off my big mouth. Glad you heard it too, though! Thanks for your comments on it. I agree. And yeah, about Widmore turning the wheel before. It explains alot of his actions. Which brings me to Charlotte. Is she a little Widmore, but unknown to Charles Widmore? Does she have a connection to him?
PoChop		#655	[-]
Posts: 1628 (06/06/08 9:19 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	How would you know you don't like it unless you read it?
PumaPeggy		#656	[-]
Posts: 1241 (06/06/08 2:54 PM) I don't get most of the jokes Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	>>Im now thinking this is Ben's big plan for himself now. Ben cant find the island again on his own (much like Widmore). But Ben knows the island wants the O6 back. Jack cant find the island on his own, no matter how many plane rides over the ocean he takes. Ben knows that when you get the O6 together, the island will try very hard to draw them back again. All Ben has to do now is be with them when that happens ;) thats his ticket back! << X...how about that? I agree<G>.
Quaffetti		#657	[-]
Posts: 5707 (06/06/08 7:34 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well, I know I'm late to the party, but I finally just had the chance to watch the finale. So happy to see Desmond and Penelope meet up. It seems I remember something about them not being able to be together? Was there something in an earlier episode, or am I hallucinating? I don't like druggie Jack. He needs to pull himself together. And wow!! How did Locke end up in the casket? I know I need to now go and read through this entire thread, but it will take awhile...anyone have any ideas they want to give in a nutshell about Locke in the casket in the meantime?
Fluffynurse		#658	[-]
Posts: 13723 (06/06/08 8:45 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	All I can say is.........Locke's in the casket. sob sob sniffle sniffle
PoChop		#659	[-]
Posts: 1634 (06/06/08 9:22 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Desmond couldn't be with Penny because he had to get to the island to press the button. Of course once his code entering got screwed up by Locke (and what isn't screwed up by Locke?) and he turned the reset key, well, everything got reset, didn't it? What his ultimate destiny is was not foretold by old giftshop lady person so Desmond might be free to sail into the sunset with Penny now forever more. I don't think there's even any need for him to return to the island, except in an alternate lifetime...
Quaffetti		#660	[-]
Posts: 5708 (06/07/08 12:16 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Fluffynurse wrote: All I can say is.........Locke's in the casket. sob sob sniffle sniffle But how did he get there? Is he really dead? I refuse to believe that.

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