5/29/08 S4 Finale "There's No Place Like Home, Parts 2 & 3"

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stacy1201		#621	[-]
Posts: 215 (06/02/08 8:37 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	PoChop wrote: What we really need is a separate donkey wheel thread! Another thing that struck me as being odd was that goofy block wall built to block off the back half of the donkey wheel. It looks rather haphazardly built and that at some point in time whatever turned the wheel might have actually walked around in a complete revolution. That would explain the holes in the ends of the arm levers because that's where you might actually attach a harness. I don't think they ran out of sfx money for this so you've got to wonder if they will return to this spot in a future show and explain the history and reason for why it exists, who built it, when it was built, and if it always performed this same function. Wait...Is that Christian Shepard?????? Last Edited By: stacy1201 06/02/08 8:50 PM. Edited 1 times.
stacy1201		#622	[-]
Posts: 216 (06/02/08 8:49 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It would've been cool if Ben had popped out of his time (and space) machine into Tunisia while Charlotte was looking at the polar bear remains! Then she could've just called Widmore and turned him over...then he wouldn't have had to send the freighter and the island wouldn't have been in danger and Ben wouldn't have had to move the island, and Charlotte wouldn't have turned him over to Widmore...I think I've confused myself...
GodIsAnAtheist		#623	[-]
Posts: 3995 (06/02/08 8:49 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I definitely agree that we need a new Donkey Wheel thread.
Fluffynurse		#624	[-]
Posts: 13699 (06/02/08 9:18 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yeah cuz the colors of those damn flowers in the Orchid greenhouse being red AND white (and not just red) is much more important than what the damn polar bears were or were not doing back in the day. Now Felicia, no one said that the flowers were just red. There were some white flowers. It's just the antheriums that were all red.
PoChop		#625	[-]
Posts: 1609 (06/02/08 10:46 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	phantomkp wrote: Why did they use an animal and not a pully? Probably the same reason they used bunnies in the smaller transport pod...they are scientists! Part of turning the wheel to them is to figure out why and how and when happens to a being down there when the wheel is turned. And rather than using humans for experiments, they used animals. I dunno, makes sense to me :P And why didnt they use duct taped mice and bunnies to turn the wheel you ask? Come on...did you really ask that...? Now you are just trying to be obtuse and contradictory...there is no way a mouse could function in that cold for long and no bunny has the strength to move that wheel.... What I said is why not use a mouse or bunny AND a rope and pulley system. The rope and pulley system could be powered by humans, polar bears, or a motor far enough away from the pit so it wouldn't be affected and yet the animal in there could be your test subject. Yes, you could insulate the bunny in a small bunny coat or bubble wrap and it would stay alive long enough for you to perform the experiment and you could duct tape it to the rope so it stays in the pit near the donkey wheel. Rabbits also live through cold winters so it's not unreasonable to think they would survive down there for at least a few hours. I'm giving scientists and engineers more credit than you are to come up with an experimental methodology that is more efficient than training and losing polar bears to Tunisia in each experiment. Now as to what the producers think about scientists and engineers I haven't a clue but we never really got any satisfying answers on the X-Files so I don't really expect that many come the last eppy of LOST! But to make an argument on the other side perhaps the wheel needs to be turned by something with sufficient intellect. Mr. Friendly made a point to tell Sawyer that the polar bears figured out the fish biscuit problem sooner than Sawyer. This could be a tip of the hat to the whole stargate/monolith concept in 2001 A Space Odyssey. In that movie not only did the monolith seem to spark intelligence but it also required intelligence to be activated. In the end of the movie it was a race between a human and an intelligent computer to complete the mission and make contact with the monolith. And when the human astronaut touched the monolith he was transported across time and space by a stargate system that had been left behind by an ancient and advanced civilization - or perhaps even a artificial intelligence spawned somewhere in the distant galaxy or universe. Over the years it almost seemed to me like the goal of the LOST producers was to embed as many sci-fi concepts from as many old movies, TV shows, and novels as possible, roll them into one big ball, and shake out an interesting and somewhat unique show. At some point the producers will need to come clean on exactly what their motivations were! Last Edited By: PoChop 06/02/08 11:07 PM. Edited 2 times.
FeliciaM7		#626	[-]
Posts: 5781 (06/02/08 11:02 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Now Felicia, no one said that the flowers were just red. There were some white flowers. It's just the antheriums that were all red. Fluffy, don't make me come beat you down. Btw you should get snail mail when I get out of my lazy mode.
Fluffynurse		#627	[-]
Posts: 13701 (06/02/08 11:43 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Aww, Felicia. I'm looking forward to your snail mail. Can't wait to rip it open. Unless it has a unibomber look to it.
WallJ		#628	[-]
Posts: 525 (06/03/08 9:46 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Did Charlotte say she was born on the island, or that it was where "she was from". I'm curious, especially with the whole mothers dying during pregnancy scenario on the island.
Screerider		#629	[-]
Posts: 21790 (06/03/08 11:10 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Charlotte = The Real Alex.
aslanscubs		#630	[-]
Posts: 1619 (06/03/08 11:45 AM) MWV Champ and I get pecan pie! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh, crap, did I miss the pilgrimmage? BTW, has anyone discussed the polar bears and the frozen donkey wheel yet? :oD
cindidindi76		#631	[-]
Posts: 10808 (06/03/08 12:50 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	pussycow wrote: cindidindi76 wrote: I love when people state their assumptions/opinions as fact. That's what gets to me, when people say "this is definitely what happens". You don't know. It's just a theory of yours. There are some shows where you can make assumptions and jump to conclusions, Lost is not one of them. Now now dear, clearly you're just not smart enough to understand it. head pat <3 I definitely agree that we need a new Donkey Wheel thread. There's a joke in there somewhere...
pussycow		#632	[-]
Posts: 2337 (06/03/08 5:16 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cindidindi76 wrote: pussycow wrote: cindidindi76 wrote: I love when people state their assumptions/opinions as fact. That's what gets to me, when people say "this is definitely what happens". You don't know. It's just a theory of yours. There are some shows where you can make assumptions and jump to conclusions, Lost is not one of them. Now now dear, clearly you're just not smart enough to understand it. head pat <3 Luckily I have you to explain it to me on our long bus rides
taurussun		#633	[-]
Posts: 3 (06/03/08 5:16 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	WallJ wrote: Did Charlotte say she was born on the island, or that it was where "she was from". I'm curious, especially with the whole mothers dying during pregnancy scenario on the island. I think they used the word "born".
cindidindi76		#634	[-]
Posts: 10825 (06/03/08 5:16 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Pffft! Like we do any talking then!
pussycow		#635	[-]
Posts: 2340 (06/03/08 5:23 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	true true well, maybe during the rest periods between ;-)
taurussun	"I'm sorry I made your life so miserable"	#636	[-]
Posts: 5 (06/03/08 6:34 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm probably reading way too much into it, but when Locke and Ben were having their farewell scene and Ben said, "I'm sorry I made your life so miserable", he said it with such depth of emotion that it made me wonder (along with the recent flashbacks of Richard visiting a child-Locke) if Ben had anything to do with the struggles Locke experienced all his life. Most likely I just need a cocktail, but still, it was a curious moment since Locke had, up until recently, been having the time of his life on the island. Yeah, Ben shot him and everything, I'm just sayin'.
WiscBadger95		#637	[-]
Posts: 11344 (06/04/08 11:11 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	stacy1201 wrote: Merrilin wrote: Yeah but still .. Dharma's heyday was 20-30 years ago. Think the way their films look, their retro equipment, etc. So if when Ben moved the island he was actually moving it to another place in time this might actually be able to fit because it could mean prior to the most recent move they were actually moved 20-30 years ago. Like maybe just after the DI had been wiped out but before the outside Dharma contacts were aware of it. I said something about this in another thread a few days ago but it's relevant here too...I totally agree on the moving in time deal. At first, it seemed obvious that the island moved to a different location because the O6 watched it vanish, but I noticed that in the Orchid video, when Wickman was talking about moving the rabbit in time, he said something like, "for brief moments, the animal will seem to disappear." Maybe if the island traveled more time than the rabbit, it seemed to disappear for a longer amount of time. Also, someone else mentioned that right after Ben wound up in Tunisia (wearing the same clothes with the same scratch on his arm), he didn't seem to know what year it was. When he asked, it was October 2005 (about 9 months later than when he pushed the donkey wheel). Also, keep in mind that when Locke "encountered" Horace, he said he had been dead for 12 years, yet the purge most likely took place much earlier than that.
WiscBadger95		#638	[-]
Posts: 11345 (06/04/08 11:13 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	pussycow wrote: phantomkp wrote: pussycow wrote: Crowlass wrote: On a completely random note, I'm starting to think the island was moved after Eko's brother crashed their plane on it. - Brother's plane crashes on island (near Africa right?) - Island is moved for some reason towards Australia - Eko finds his brother's small plane thousands and thousands of miles away from where it could possibly land. Just a random theory... oh nice! I always wondered how the hell that plane got there. That would totally explain it. And I don't think the polar bears turned the wheel either. As someone said, the wheel wasn't really made for animals to move because you can't go 360 degrees around. The reason they showed us polar bears in S1 was so we would all have a "wtf why are there polar bears on a tropical island?!?!?" reaction I agree thats why they showed us a polar bear in S1. My question to you is, why would they show us Dharma polar bear remains in the desert at the beginning of this season? And i wasnt aware that animals cant go in a 180 semi circle...they can only go 360 degrees or else they explode! :P You dont NEED to have an animal go a full circle with the donkey wheel! Thats the thing...they bounce to the other side of the planet in the desert after they only go halfway! I really dont know why people want the polar bears to be able to make a full circle for their use there to sound reasonable lol It has nothing to do with an animal being able to go in a full circle. It has to do with a wheel being able to go in a full circle. Cos you never see a wheel turned by an animal where it turns the wheel half way then they unhook it and move it back to the other side of the wheel to do it again. That being said, that logic is flawed because your point is valid that they would only turn the wheel a bit then they would disappear. I am still not ready to subscribe to "that's why they had polar bears" theory cos it seems stupid to keep a bunch of polar bears around to spend 2 seconds moving a wheel when a horse or donkey could easily do it and they would be much easier to come by. Honestly, I would be disappointed if that was the sole reason they had polar bears. If that happened to be one of many things they had polar bears for, ok. But if that is the sole reason they had polar bears, that is just dumb. I have to agree that they didn't have the polar bears on the island for no other reason than to move the wheel. But at some point, someone use a PB to move the wheel.
PAPAYOKE		#639	[-]
Posts: 19500 (06/04/08 12:06 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't think anyone said the donkey wheel discussion was frivolous, they said it was silly that some people (not all) were trying so hard to argue that a polar bear definitely was turning the wheel, or definitely wasn't. Well that's the beauty of this place. Posters are allowed to discuss whatever they want (and with the exception of spoilers) wherever they want.
WiscBadger95		#640	[-]
Posts: 11346 (06/04/08 12:35 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	WallJ wrote: Did Charlotte say she was born on the island, or that it was where "she was from". I'm curious, especially with the whole mothers dying during pregnancy scenario on the island. It was never specifically stated that she was born on the island, but there certainly were hints about it. The relevant scenes ... Part 2, Act 4 MILES: I'm surprised you wanna leave. CHARLOTTE: Sorry? MILES: It's just weird. You know, after all that time you spent trying to get back here. CHARLOTTE: What do you mean, get back here? MILES: ... What do I mean? Part 2, Act 6 FARADAY: Hey, Charlotte! Listen, uh, I wanted to say before you get on the boat, please-- CHARLOTTE: I'm gonna stay, Daniel ... for now, anyway. FARADAY: Charlotte... there is no "for now". If you don't come with me, "for now" could be forever. CHARLOTTE: Nothing's forever. FARADAY: Why? CHARLOTTE: Would it make any sense if I told you I was still looking for where I was born? FARADAY: N--no.

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