Michael...You Can Go Now.

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managerr		#81	[-]
Posts: 13792 (05/31/08 12:21 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Why is it so bad that HP played the race card? I know it's a running joke on this board that the show writes off all of it's black people (including the extras minus Rose), and it's a more serious topic on other boards? It would be one thing if it never came up, but if you're on any LOST board, you're going to come across a thread wondering the same thing. It seems pretty clear from his interviews that he's been reading various LOST boards.
Tigernanama		#82	[-]
Posts: 315 (05/31/08 1:52 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	God, what an asshole -- I would have been grateful to be asked back on a hit show that I had left, which is already clogged with characters, even if all I did was get beat up and blown up. And what did he think was going to happen to Michael? This sucks -- wish I hadn't read his comments.
Riliss		#83	[-]
Posts: 3778 (05/31/08 5:36 PM) Ugly on the inside Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sorry to say it, white folks who keep bitching about HP's comments - but I'm personally of the opinion that he's right. Black characters kinda have gotten the shaft on the show. And really, for a guy who was added back to the regular cast credits, he didn't have much to do before they killed him again.
Will		#84	[-]
Posts: 29192 (05/31/08 6:08 PM) Not a Registered User anymore Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Bobby Jon goes apeshit wrote: Lets recap. Kate blew up her father. Sawyer is a con-artist. Saiyd is a torturer Jin was an enforcer for korean mob. Eko is warlord who beats people with a Jesus stick. Locke shoves people through sonic barriers and throws a knife on they're back because the island "speaks" to him. And Michael, the guy who only did what he had to do to get his son back is the bad guy? "ITS A CONSPIRACY Y'ALL!" I hate all of them, especially Kate and would love to see them all get through into a shredder. Does that make you feel better?
PagongSchlong		#85	[-]
Posts: 3451 (05/31/08 6:11 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I agree. I never understood the Michael hate. Desperate people go to desperate measures. I probably would have done the same thing if it was my daughter.
tigeranne		#86	[-]
Posts: 6083 (05/31/08 6:15 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm a white person... and I think HP made some salient points. Do I think the PTB wrote off Michael because he is black? No, of course not. However, I can see where HP might see a trend. The history of television (and "hollywood" in general) hasn't lent itself to HP thinking that it's all good. just sayin'. I thought that the way they wrapped it up was okay, but really would have liked to see Walt and Michael reunited. I personally had forgiven Michael for the most part and was really sorry to see him blown sky high-- and I never liked Michael.
sassycece		#87	[-]
Posts: 22 (05/31/08 6:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	My first thought when CS appeared/spoke to Michael saying "you can go now" was CS somehow was going to transport Michael to a safe place.. Whether it was on the island or to the mainland.. Now that I read HP interview I guess he really is dead.. I was hoping he would be reunited with Walt..
FeliciaM7		#88	[-]
Posts: 5768 (05/31/08 9:31 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sorry to say it, white folks who keep bitching about HP's comments I didn't bitch about it. I just said I was surprised he mentioned race in regards to Michael being written off. Seems HP would figure out what was in store for him. He was acting out what WE saw and I knew he couldn't die off-island because of unfinished business/redemption so just wondering why it did not occur to him that once his character was redeemed, he would die. I will miss him.
managerr		#89	[-]
Posts: 13793 (05/31/08 10:43 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	And Michael, the guy who only did what he had to do to get his son back is the bad guy? Yes, because he killed Libby. If it was just Ana Lucia, then we would like him. :P
Tigernanama		#90	[-]
Posts: 317 (06/02/08 8:10 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hey Riliss? How about you eat shit? I'm so tired of people pulling the whole "you white people don't understand" bullshit. It's entirely possible that Mike'd death had NOTHING to do with "racism," and everything to do with where the story went. Same with Ekko (though from what I read, if he hadn't been a racist asshole himself, he'd still be on the show). Oh no, Jin is now dead in the future! Call the Asian American Anti-Defimation League! Stop playing the victim. Everything is race based (we can't help it, we're visual creatures biologically driven to categorize), but not necessarily everything is racist.
beefjerkyboy		#91	[-]
Posts: 2544 (06/02/08 8:56 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's too bad people are offended, but this is a legitimate point. As someone pointed out, this isn't new. We have talked about the short life expectancy of Black characters on Lost. As for the characters themselves, Eko was a drug dealer, Rose is a strong, spiritual older woman, Michael is a father who abandoned his kid, and Walt is the fatherless child being raised by his grandmother. All of these are stereotypes of Blacks prevalent in media. I think this is about more than being written off and it shouldn't be discussed in that context. It is HOW he was written off. If he ended up with Walt, he wouldn't have a legitimate complaint. However, the result ended up with another Black stereotype. Coincidence? Maybe. But maybe the writers went there because that's all they know about Black men. Last year, there was actually an entire advertising campaign celebrating Black fathers, because they are seldom seen in the media. It's a problem that is broader than Lost and HP has every right to bring it up.
aslanscubs		#92	[-]
Posts: 1616 (06/02/08 9:15 AM) MWV Champ and I get pecan pie! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	tigeranne wrote: I'm a white person... and I think HP made some salient points. Do I think the PTB wrote off Michael because he is black? No, of course not. However, I can see where HP might see a trend. The history of television (and "hollywood" in general) hasn't lent itself to HP thinking that it's all good. just sayin'. I thought that the way they wrapped it up was okay, but really would have liked to see Walt and Michael reunited. I personally had forgiven Michael for the most part and was really sorry to see him blown sky high-- and I never liked Michael. I agree with everything you said, Tigeranne, except I never had a problem with Michael.
Tigernanama		#93	[-]
Posts: 318 (06/02/08 3:41 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Holy shit, Beef, I gave you way more credit than this. Those are stereotypes of black people? Maybe to people like you. Maybe the problem is that you're focusing on the "black" part rather than the "person" part. I've never seen so many people miss the forest for the trees. It's one of the most ethnically diverse casts ever for a show where that wasn't the point, and still now we have to quibble over whether the black characters are being singled out. Ridiculous. Just fucking ridiculous. You people would complain if the rope you hung yourself wasn't new. Oh, just to be careful -- "you people," "rope," and "hang" are not to be assumed as directed at black people.
The Marquesan Godfather		#94	[-]
Posts: 10799 (06/02/08 5:27 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well, the one thing I will say is… the five 'untouchable' characters on this show are all white... Ben, Kate, Jack, Sawyer, Locke. Oh and don't give me that, Locke was in the coffin stuff. We knows he'll get plenty of screen time dead or alive. Last Edited By: The Marquesan Godfather 06/02/08 6:06 PM. Edited 1 times.
FeliciaM7		#95	[-]
Posts: 5773 (06/02/08 5:31 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Michael is a father who abandoned his kid, and Walt is the fatherless child being raised by his grandmother. Ok first of all to fit stereotype, Walt would be the fatherless child raised by the baby mama. Have you watched since season one? Michael never abandoned Walt. He let his bitch ex-gf guilt trip into allowing her to take Walt cuz her man had so much money and could raise him better. Then he changed his mind about letting her keep Walt and got hit by a car. BAM! THEN he made the mistake of letting Walt know what he did on the island and I guess Walt was freaked and wanted to stay with his grandmother. Non-black folks do the same stupid shit. And Walt continues to be raised by Grandma cuz Michael's DEAD.
managerr		#96	[-]
Posts: 13801 (06/02/08 6:14 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh, just to be careful -- "you people," "rope," and "hang" are not to be assumed as directed at black people. OMG, Amanda from Big Brother is slitting her wrists right now because you said that! It wouldn't be that bad if it were just Michael and Walt. But it was Eko for one. Then Miss Klugh gets brought back only to be killed off. They made a semi-big deal about the actress playing Naomi being hired as part of the regular cast, and then they kill her off and replace her with 3 white people and an Miles. And let's not forget Ivan, the Other Brother!
CoconutPhone		#97	[-]
Posts: 13570 (06/02/08 6:35 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yeah how did he abandon Walt? He's DEAD. He died trying to help people. Is THAT stereotype? I certainly hope not. Good grief if you wanted to you could find stereotypes in all the characters. It's just asinine to do so here too. HP complained that while Michael tried to disarm the bomb none of the characters he betrayed knew that (only Jin who didn't have a problem with him at that point and Desmond did). Hello! So if they knew Michael tried to help them that would be OK but because they didn't then it was meaningless or less meaningful? In an interview with EW he admitted he shot his mouth off and probably have just kept it to himself. Finally something we can agree on.
GodIsAnAtheist		#98	[-]
Posts: 3987 (06/02/08 6:56 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'd rather not dwell on this, to be honest. I've loved MP in everything he's done (including LOST and Oz), and I'd rather not dwell on the comments he made leaving the show.
Tigernanama		#99	[-]
Posts: 322 (06/04/08 9:13 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But it was Eko for one -- who got fired, if I recall, for being a bit of a racist douche himself. Then Miss Klugh gets brought back only to be killed off -- I believe I read that she wanted this herself. They made a semi-big deal about the actress playing Naomi being hired as part of the regular cast, and then they kill her off and replace her with 3 white people -- my two problems with this statement are that, one, Charlotte, Miles, and the chopper pilot are all not "white" -- they have their own nationalities too, and to dismiss this is a bit, well, racists. Two, they did the same thing with Nikki and P, and no one started screaming that they got "replaced" with Juliette, who is caucasian. Why the double standard? Ah, it's all for discussions sake.
Seyz		#100	[-]
Posts: 192 (06/07/08 1:22 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The notion that they are "killing" black people in insane. LOST has had so many prominent black characters, much more than the average television show and instead of praising it for it's ethnic diversity, people are complaining that they killed a couple of black characters? Well they've also killed 5 white young females (Libby, Shannon, the girl who got buried don't remember her name, Claire and Alex). Hell, half the cast is dead at this point and probably much more on the way. By the end of it, we'll probably only have a handful of survivors besides the O6.

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