Survivor Boy - what is that scary thing?!?Check out the Weezer- Pork and Beans music video.
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Survivor Boy - what is that scary thing?!?Check out the Weezer- Pork and Beans music video. |
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stacy1201 |
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Merrilin wrote: I said something about this in another thread a few days ago but it's relevant here too...I totally agree on the moving in time deal. At first, it seemed obvious that the island moved to a different location because the O6 watched it vanish, but I noticed that in the Orchid video, when Wickman was talking about moving the rabbit in time, he said something like, "for brief moments, the animal will seem to disappear." Maybe if the island traveled more time than the rabbit, it seemed to disappear for a longer amount of time. Also, someone else mentioned that right after Ben wound up in Tunisia (wearing the same clothes with the same scratch on his arm), he didn't seem to know what year it was. When he asked, it was October 2005 (about 9 months later than when he pushed the donkey wheel).
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phantomkp |
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pussycow wrote: I agree thats why they showed us a polar bear in S1.
You dont NEED to have an animal go a full circle with the donkey wheel! Thats the thing...they bounce to the other side of the planet in the desert after they only go halfway! I really dont know why people want the polar bears to be able to make a full circle for their use there to sound reasonable lol
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Aunt Pappy wrote: Thats the most reasonable guess.
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pussycow |
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phantomkp wrote: It has nothing to do with an animal being able to go in a full circle. It has to do with a wheel being able to go in a full circle. Cos you never see a wheel turned by an animal where it turns the wheel half way then they unhook it and move it back to the other side of the wheel to do it again. That being said, that logic is flawed because your point is valid that they would only turn the wheel a bit then they would disappear. I am still not ready to subscribe to "that's why they had polar bears" theory cos it seems stupid to keep a bunch of polar bears around to spend 2 seconds moving a wheel when a horse or donkey could easily do it and they would be much easier to come by. Honestly, I would be disappointed if that was the sole reason they had polar bears. If that happened to be one of many things they had polar bears for, ok. But if that is the sole reason they had polar bears, that is just dumb. |
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Well, its a polar bear trained to turn that wheel cause its too cold for a donkey or horse to do it? Maybe they trained the bears to stay down there and not
move for a specified amount of time...who knows.
Its possible polar bears were trained for other things, not sure why, but its possible. But im pretty sure they were brought to the island in the first place because of that wheel. If it was just to have trained animals, there are hundreds of better kinds to choose. And if it was just about experimenting on making animals function in different climates, we would have seen alot more types of animals on that island than just polar bears. But i still want your opinion on the "wtf" polar bear moments in Lost you brought up in your last post! We both agree that is why they showed is a polar bear in S1...its to make us go "wtf! why is there a polar bear on a tropical island??" But why do you think they showed us a dead dharma polar bear in the desert at the beginning of this season? No reason? They couldnt have been to just rehash the same "wtf" factor again... |
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Holy shit, forget about the polar bears.
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GodIsAnAtheist |
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Goosehead wrote: Seriously. I have no clue why they are being discussed in such heavy detail, with other more important questions posed and unanswered.
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Mister Hooper |
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Goosehead wrote: Maybe they were on sale and they got them at a good deal. |
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When it comes right down to it that damned donkey wheel is just as stupid as the code entry in the Swan hatch. There wasn't any big reason to have a human
enter the code every 108 minutes when it would have been a lot easier to automate the process. For goodness sakes that room was filled with computers! Are we
supposed to think that there wasn't a software person in Dharma that could have written a batch file to enter the numbers every 108 minutes? And at the
very least someone could have designed a mechanical gizmo that would have typed the numbers and carriage return directly onto the keyboard if they wanted it
decoupled from the computer system.
The same thing applies to the stupid donkey wheel. Why the fuck do you need a trained polar bear lurking down there to turn the wheel on command? Couldn't you just rig a rope from down the tunnel to move the lever? Or maybe a pulley system if it needs to move more than 180 degrees? And don't give me any BS about an organic animal needing to be in the pit to allow the negatively charged exotic matter to do its thing. In that case you could just duct tape a mouse or a bunny to the rope or throw it in the pit before you need to turn the wheel. |
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The polar bears turning the wheel makes perfect sence to me. Its simple logic to me.
Ben turns wheel -Ben ends up in desert ___________ - Polar Bear ends up in the desert. The fact that its in a cold climate and they are polar bears is just the icing on the cake. They obviously have smart bears to figure out their feeding devices that were in the cages Sawyer and Kate were in. |
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I think it's obvious that the polar bears were turning the wheel. When we got Ben's flashforward in Season 4 (sorry, I'm bad about episode names), he woke up in the desert with the parka and IIRC an arm injury. Now at the end of season 4 we see that he got down to the FDW wheel and as he went down, one of the rungs broke and he hurt his arm. His flashforward picks up just after the finale ends. Charlotte also found the remains of a polar bear in a desert somewhere. I think Ben had other means of getting off the island, but the FDW takes you out to the desert in a big country, where dreams stay with you, like a lover's voice... I also think there were also polar bears that used for experiments (bear cages that Sawyer and Kate were trapped in). |
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PoChop |
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Using my methodology the rope ends up in Tunisia.
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pussycow |
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GodIsAnAtheist wrote:
Phantom, as for the wtf factor, yeah the bear skeleton showing up in Tunisia and Ben popping out in Tunisia after using the FDW is certainly a big coincidence and I suppose it could point to the bears being used to turn the wheel. And maybe they are the ones turning the wheel. I just think it's dumb to get polar bears to turn a wheel just cos it's cold where the wheel is. And, I don't like jumping to conclusions with Lost :) I only do that with my Jump To Conclusions mat. |
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Okay, it's nice that people are still debating some of the finer points of the finale, but I'd like to try to settle the current polar bear dispute.
First, very few things are "obvious" on this show. That's the appeal for some of us, that we are not given the whole story, and that there are
often multiple plausible explanations for what we see. That being said, why can't both phantom and his critics be partly right? A polar bear was once
used to turn the wheel (whether by rope, or harness, or pully or by direct pulling/pushing on the spokes), perhaps on an occasion when the island had to be
moved but noone wanted to be the person jettisoned off the island, and it went poof into the desert where it died and decomposed in the sand and was later
found by Charlotte. But, polar bears were not always used to turn the wheel, and were not on the island just for that purpose. There are no absolute
answers here.
Just because it's cold doesn't mean that polar bears were needed down in that tunnel, nor does the fact that the wheel only turned halfway before you hit the wall mean that polar bears could not have been used. That Halliwax's jacket was in the locker doesn't have to mean that he turned the wheel often (he could have been studying the wheel's properties). And, the fact that Ben blew up the pod to access the tunnel doesn't necessarily mean that it was the only entrance to the tunnel. It simply means it was the entrance that Ben used on that occasion (maybe the other one is blocked by that pissed off polar bear). There is usually a back way (remember the Swan hatch). I hope everyone is laughing as much as I am that there is a much too serious debate about whether or not it makes logical sense for a polar bear to be turning an ancient wheel that can move an entire island and its immediate surroundings in time and space. If not, you guys need to go have a stiff drink, or get laid (or both). |
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PoChop |
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What we really need is a separate donkey wheel thread!
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ratsnsnakes |
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O.K. First things first:
Locke, my boyfriend Sawyer, Juliette ...Excuse me, missy witch, he's MY boyfriend. Back off. Second, everyone keeps showing the donkey wheel picture that looks vertical, what about the donkey wheel in "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Black Pearl"? The one in the blacksmith's shop. That much more closely resembled what we had in the finale of Lost. As for polar bears, I don't know and I don't care if they pushed the wheel. A more pressing question is who was Ben signalling? I totally agree that it was Richard and The Others (good name for a rock group) up in "The Temple" which, by the way, we never saw. When Locke meets them in the woods, they were just waiting for him outside the Orchid station as per Ben's instructions. And if Locke's face is sans scars in the coffin, it *could* be makeup. Those funeral guys do some weird shit to dead people. I'm just sayin' |
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pussycow |
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chidelta wrote:X Of course, I could still use a stiff drink and a good lay |
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I could use a good drink and a.....eh, never mind.
It's kind of funny that of all the shit that happens on this show, it's something like whether or not a polar bear would be half turning a crank that has people bickering, lol. |
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CoconutPhone |
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Of course I never got into the debate. Seemed silly to even me and I watch "The Hills". |
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